Sunbeam

[d4s_over_dt4]

https://kerbalx.com/d4s_over_dt4/Sunbeam-Laythe-spaceplane
It's a nice day,you're thinking of mission ideas.But suddenly...

An unknown energy discharge strikes the vessel Sunbeam!And so its mission to rescue the 9(according to local police robots) survivors of the Aurora incident stranded on Laythe has failed!

As we review the mission footage,it seems that Sunbeam has attempted a powered landing WITHOUT a suicide burn!This is certainly not the way to do it.

So here,we propose that this sea plane could have been used instead of the Sunbeam.It should be the lander part in an apollo style mission to laythe(okay,the passengers will have to take a spacewalk,or the return stage would need an asteroid claw),but it could work just fine returning to kerbin by itsself(passengers might complain).

It can enter the atmosphere almost without slowing down,then slow down to ~1000m/s,then quickly point somewhere else than down and kill all speed other than the speed necessary for flight.Then the airbreathing engine can be turned on and the parachute can be deployed after reaching the rendezvous point.

The original rendezvous point would work just fine,but I would suggest not crashing into the island.The space laser physically cannot turn that quickly when you are flying at 150m/s so close to it.(would suggest braking from an elliptical orbit and directly aiming at the target,so that the place is reached almost vertically,with a lot of speed,and without too much use of the rapier engine for subsonic atmospheric flight(which the space gun could catch up to)Then it would fail to hit the craft after the parachute is deployed because the craft is almost directly below it,and it can't bend that far.

After the passengers sit in their seats,the craft needs to turn on its engines and try being a submarine very briefly,until the necessary attitude adjustments are made(hint:the front of the plane needs to point somewhere dry.if it is pointing the other way,you are not going to space today.) and the plane is ready to emerge from the water.Then it needs to accelerate until temperature gauges are found and then rapidly pitch up.Then,at a certain point(where the lower stage can function as a decoy and protect the safety of the upper stage best),it can seperate all aerodynamic components and jet engines to reveal the upper stage,which will lift the passengers to orbit.If it does not rapidly pitch up and instead employs a more efficient ascent,it can reach orbit with easily enough dv to reach kerbin.Again,an orbital transfer stage should be left in orbit for the well-being of passengers.

The craft is very lightweight as compared to the original sunbeam or aurora,so multiple crafts can be deployed at the same time,so that there will be a craft that reaches the surface.(i mean when you think of it,if you just reenter and land two crafts from opposite directions,the gun can only hit one of the craft even if it manages to hit one.)

(btw,the craft can also function as a launch vehicle on kerbin,but if your best launch vehicle is this one,your space company is having a bad day.)

(some rumours have been circulating about some alien pathogen,which are completely non-existent.think:if laythe had any pathogens,wouldn't the magnetic field of jool have already accelerated and dispersed those pathogens everywhere in the kerbolar system?remember,pathogens are made out of cations,which are negatively charged.Negatively charged particles experience the strong nuclear interaction,which accelerates them in the direction perpendicular to the periapsis of Eeloo and the apoapsis of Moho in the perspective of Kerbol.)

 

(i forgot to change the parachute to two radial ones and change the intakes to one shock cone.(this would decrease drag and also i think shock cones are lighter than parachutes)i also forgot to fill the wings with fuel.)

Edited Saturday at 10:56 AM by d4s_over_dt4
more funny stuff&more evidence that the funny stuff is a joke

[Vanamonde]

A picture of it crashing is an odd advertising approach. 

[d4s_over_dt4]

2 hours ago, Vanamonde said:

A picture of it crashing is an odd advertising approach. 

kerbalx decided it would be better off making a gateway error that day and on the website it doesn't accept image file dropping.

fixed!

Edited Saturday at 09:56 PM by d4s_over_dt4

[swjr-swis]

Disclaimer: no leviathan-class organisms were harmed during the inception of this cross-over.

[d4s_over_dt4]

btw the mission was originally on eve,but i figured out 8k delta v would be a very big payload to send to eve.I also could not make my craft not burn up without also slowing down too much.(back then i did not yet have the idea of using a plane.my idea was to have the entire craft in a fairing,then(at a fairly low altitude) deploy the fairing and deploy the inflated heat shield under the fairing and also engage the air brakes on the top of the craft,then drop the heat shield and deploy the parachute and the landing legs.this would keep the craft at orbital speeds until the last moment.     a plane proved to work better for that.)

 

Also,how would you recreate the QEP in ksp?If the shots are infinite,the cannon would have to be a melee weapon,which means it will not strike things over 2.5km away(much smaller than most planets(still smaller than gilly))
If your recreation instead decides to use the 

Spoiler

ion cubes from the antechamber of the primary containment facility

in a more kerbal way(

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treat the ion cube as a solid rocket booster.provoke a spot on the surface to semi-slowly release the 5kt tnt equivalent of power,which would heat up the air and the spent fuel rapidly and push them back,creating a lot of thrust.

),either the unguided missile would miss the target,it would be too fast for the physics timestep stuff,or it would have a low range.

I was going to write stuff related to what the beam actually is,but eventually I found this video https://youtu.be/Q75QRF8g1nc?si=Z9mI5B55wbiQNhdp&t=71 which shows the cannon causing the nearby air to change its refraction coefficient and direct some green light towards the player,then there is a green fireball and we can assume some projectile leaves at some speed while leaving behind a green trail.(the video clearly shows the green line takes some time to reach the ship)Some seconds later,there is a green explosion in the ship after some smaller chemical explosions(ignited ruptured fuel tank i guess?),and the ship explodes.I guess my alternative theory of ignited ion cubes being the projectile might be more true than it seems!And the projectile might actually be slow enough to go all the way around the planet!

However,this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dark-Carioca/The_power_of_the_Quarantine_Enforcement_Platform suggests the projectile is probably around 100km/s on average which doesn't work well for using gravity to bend stuff,but then actually when I think of it now,the ion cube could be provoked in such a way that the thrust vector does not align with the center of mass,which would cause it to spin and accelerate,which could go around the planet.I'm going to open another topic for the math.

 

 

[swjr-swis]

12 hours ago, d4s_over_dt4 said:

how would you recreate the QEP in ksp?If the shots are infinite,the cannon would have to be a melee weapon,which means it will not strike things over 2.5km away(much smaller than most planets(still smaller than gilly)

What people seem to be missing:

• The Aurora was perfectly safe (*) to land. The QEP doesn't actually fire until the Aurora starts to reverse course with clear intent to get out of the atmosphere again. Which makes perfect sense: it's meant to not let anything get away that could carry the infection to the universe at large. If anyone is stupid enough to land on the planet, they're gonna die anyway; why waste energy on shooting it.
• There's is zero need for a long-range projectile or beam. Anything landing anywhere outside the crater area is food for pods of territorial ghost leviathans big enough to crash through any type of space-grade hull. Forget needing a projectile to go (sub)orbital... any ship touching down outside of the 2x2 km  area of the crater is toast anyway. (and yes, I'm aware they retconned the heck out of that in a so-called sequel, but you can't convince me that actually happened, lalala I can't hear you!)
• The green of that beam has nothing to do with ion cubes. Clearly, it's the result of mixing the juice of a medium-ripe bulbo tree, two blended gel sacks, and ignited by injecting a mesmer egg in the mix.

Not that I would have the slightest clue of what I'm talking about. I could not possibly have any knowledge of this place I'm not supposed to have been able to get away from. No sirree.

[d4s_over_dt4]

16 minutes ago, swjr-swis said:

What people seem to be missing:

• The Aurora was perfectly safe (*) to land. The QEP doesn't actually fire until the Aurora starts to reverse course with clear intent to get out of the atmosphere again. Which makes perfect sense: it's meant to not let anything get away that could carry the infection to the universe at large. If anyone is stupid enough to land on the planet, they're gonna die anyway; why waste energy on shooting it.
• There's is zero need for a long-range projectile or beam. Anything landing anywhere outside the crater area is food for pods of territorial ghost leviathans big enough to crash through any type of space-grade hull. Forget needing a projectile to go (sub)orbital... any ship touching down outside of the 2x2 km  area of the crater is toast anyway. (and yes, I'm aware they retconned the heck out of that in a so-called sequel, but you can't convince me that actually happened, lalala I can't hear you!)
• The green of that beam has nothing to do with ion cubes. Clearly, it's the result of mixing the juice of a medium-ripe bulbo tree, two blended gel sacks, and ignited by injecting a mesmer egg in the mix.

Not that I would have the slightest clue of what I'm talking about. I could not possibly have any knowledge of this place I'm not supposed to have been able to get away from. No sirree.

as said earlier in the post,i could quickly reenter a plane and fly it very close to sea level to the rendesvous point,then do the opposite(fly for some distance then pitch up suddenly(actually,the planet is curved,so maybe it might be better to not pitch up suddenly)) to get out of the range of the gun quickly and bring back some warper fragments.if the gun shoots neither long range beams or itsself in the foot(literally) something is going to get past.

i mean,again,the subnautica people are just not very bright when doing space.who doesn't reenter horizontally on an ATMOSPHERICAL planet?(also,no unmanned probes?i have seen no evidence of spaceworthy ones)

(like,the point is,there are a ton of reasons why the ghost leviathans don't make a perfect defense)

like,space is hard,if it wasn't so hard(for two things to hit each other) our satelites should have been already killed by kessler syndrome and our nuclear missile things should have already stopped being a threat.there's a ton of ways for something to go somewhere.

guided missiles with enough agility would be enough(assuming the ships don't use kraken drives and have a reasonable maximum acceleration),and theoretically maybe the warpers could attack space wreckage to get minerals for the computer chips and hull(or just filter the water for it,if table coral can do it you can too) but then we don't see that happening(missile silos tend to be silos instead of railgun turrets,there is no point in rotating the silo on two axes if it uses missiles,for the same reason why we don't lift rockets and launch centers up mountains.)

[swjr-swis]

2 hours ago, d4s_over_dt4 said:

for the same reason why we don't lift rockets and launch centers up mountains

Except we (*) do.  The first viable ways to get low-TWR craft out of the atmosphere were by transporting them to the highest convenient point first. Both from Kerbin and from Eve. It's the Kerbal way.

Well, that, and strapping a set of solid rocket boosters on the rump of a ghost leviathan to see if we can make it fly...

[d4s_over_dt4]

7 hours ago, swjr-swis said:

Except we (*) do.  The first viable ways to get low-TWR craft out of the atmosphere were by transporting them to the highest convenient point first. Both from Kerbin and from Eve. It's the Kerbal way.

Well, that, and strapping a set of solid rocket boosters on the rump of a ghost leviathan to see if we can make it fly...

yeah,it's the kerbal way lmfao.iirc before propellers,people used to make eve sstos by landing them on top of the highest equatorial mountain(like 8km)

(the booster strapping) that sounds fun!(also "strapping boosters...to see if we can make it..." sounds VERY kerbal lmao.
average kerbal scientific research:)

Edited 22 hours ago by d4s_over_dt4