LLL - Lack Luster Labs - Development Thread

Lack · October 5, 2014

where can i download a version of the ramp? An-225
I can't find.

Should be under 'structural' (it's in the most recent SXT release).

@Hellbrand,

I'll probably add something along those lines eventually, the plane parts are on my list for overhauling.

@Niemand303,

Wow, I really like that. I always find the problem when I make such long distance flights is my habit of crash landing (emphasis on the 'crash' part).

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I now have a working computer now (although Unity is being a nuisance EDIT: Seems to be working now).

Edited October 5, 2014 by Lack

Niemand303 · October 5, 2014

@Niemand303
Is there any chance of you releasing the craft file for that plane please. It looks great and the album was good.

Hey, here it is!

It's all stock and SXT, so I hope there would be no problem.

mrmcp1 · October 5, 2014

Hey, here it is!

Thanks it looks great.

tygoo7 · October 7, 2014

Will there be an update for KSC++ since the administration building will probably interfere with some roads?

Mekan1k · October 7, 2014

Aircraft with 1 day of DV.

No, it doesn't need the super-long wing, but it does allow for greater lift and lower flight speed at altitude.

Lack · October 7, 2014

I've run through SXT with 0.25, as I feared majority of the parts are broken.

Need to track down the following textures (list should be all the ones SXT uses) and find which have been changed or moved. But it's late, and I'm only just back from work, so I'm a bit too knackered at the moment.

Squad/Parts/Command/crewCabin/cabin
Squad/Parts/Command/crewCabin/cabin_n

Squad/Parts/Command/Mark1Cockpit/Mk1C
Squad/Parts/Command/Mark1Cockpit/Mk1C_NRM

Squad/Parts/Command/Mark2Cockpit/CockpitDiffuse
Squad/Parts/Command/Mark2Cockpit/CockpitNRM2

Squad/Parts/Command/cupola/ksp_l_cupola_diff
Squad/Parts/Command/cupola/ksp_l_cupola_normal    

Squad/Parts/Command/probeStackLarge/model000
Squad/Parts/Command/probeStackLarge/model001

Squad/Parts/Command/probeCoreHex/ksp_m_hexProbe_diff
Squad/Parts/Command/probeCoreHex/ksp_m_hexProbe_norm

Squad/Parts/Command/probeCoreSphere/model000

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Squad/Parts/FuelTank/MK1FuselageStructural/model000

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTank/model000

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTank1-2/model000
Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTank1-2/model001

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTank3-2/model000
Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTank3-2/model001

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/RCSFuelTank/model000
Squad/Parts/FuelTank/RCSFuelTank/model001

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/RCStankRadialLong/ksp_r_rcsCylTank_diff

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTank_long/model000
Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTank_long/model001

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/mk2Fuselage/model000
Squad/Parts/FuelTank/mk2Fuselage/model001

Squad/Parts/FuelTank/xenonTank/model000
Squad/Parts/FuelTank/xenonTank/model001

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Squad/Parts/Engine/turboFanEngine/model000
Squad/Parts/Engine/turboFanEngine/model001

Squad/Parts/Engine/nuclearEngine/model000
Squad/Parts/Engine/nuclearEngine/model001    
Squad/Parts/Engine/nuclearEngine/model002
Squad/Parts/Engine/nuclearEngine/model003

Squad/Parts/Engine/engineLargeSkipper/ksp_l_midrangeEngine_diff
Squad/Parts/Engine/engineLargeSkipper/ksp_l_midrangeEngine_normal
Squad/Parts/Engine/engineLargeSkipper/ksp_l_midrangeEngine_emissive

Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngine2/model002

Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineMini/ksp_m_liquidEngine_diff
Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineMini/ksp_m_liquidEngine_norm

Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngine2/model000
Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngine2/model001    

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Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel1/model000
Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel1/model001

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Squad/Parts/Utility/parachuteRadial/model000

Squad/Parts/Utility/RCS block/model000    

Squad/Parts/Utility/mediumDishAntenna/mediumDishAntenna

Squad/Parts/Utility/roverBody/model000

Squad/Parts/Utility/airScoop/model000

Squad/Parts/Utility/CircularIntake/model000
Squad/Parts/Utility/CircularIntake/model001

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Squad/Parts/Electrical/solarPanels1/model001
Squad/Parts/Electrical/solarPanels1/model002
Squad/Parts/Electrical/solarPanels1/model000

Squad/Parts/Electrical/RTG/model000

Squad/Parts/Electrical/batteryPack/model000

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Squad/Parts/Aero/wingConnector/model000
Squad/Parts/Aero/wingConnector/model001

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Squad/Parts/Science/GooExperiment/A_GooExperiment_diff

Squad/Parts/Science/MaterialBay/science_module_small
Squad/Parts/Science/MaterialBay/science_module_small_emit
Squad/Parts/Science/MaterialBay/science_module_small_nrm

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NASAmission/Parts/Size2LFB/twin_nozzle_booster_cm
NASAmission/Parts/Size2LFB/twin_nozzle_booster_nm

NASAmission/Parts/Size3AdvancedEngine/Size3AdvancedEngineDiffuse
NASAmission/Parts/Size3AdvancedEngine/Size3AdvancedEngineNormal

NASAmission/Parts/Size3MediumTank/fueltTanks_cm

NASAmission/Parts/Size3LargeTank/fueltTanks_cm

NASAmission/Parts/Size3Decoupler/decoupler_and_adaptor_cm

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@Tygoo,

It's getting overhauled, I posted pics a while back. In the mean time you could just open the Konstructs/Kerbtown menu and move the offending assets.

@Mekan1k,

Very nice.

October 7, 2014

Lack, could you check this out: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/92764-Stock-Part-Revamp-%28Redone-Plane-Parts%21-and-more%21%29 ?

It'd be great if the next SXT was fully compatible with this mod. It'd probably be a short while before it's cleaned up, but after that, it could provide better looking models than stock.

NathanKell · October 7, 2014

No texture names have changed, just folder names.

Lack · October 7, 2014

Lack, could you check this out: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/92764-Stock-Part-Revamp-%28Redone-Plane-Parts%21-and-more%21%29 ?
It'd be great if the next SXT was fully compatible with this mod. It'd probably be a short while before it's cleaned up, but after that, it could provide better looking models than stock.

I'm aware of it. It'll require copying the Squad textures I use (those that change significantly anyway) to a new folde to keep them and going through a find&replace with Notepad++.

The other alternative being I remodel everything, but given that I don't have the source files for most of SXT (in a working Unity set up anyway) that's not an attractive option.

@NathanKell,

There's one or two that have changed or no-longer exist, but so far that's things where the part has been re-done like the MkI cockpit.

NathanKell · October 7, 2014

Oh, right. Sorry, didn't mention the "we don't even have that part anymore" ones. Mk2 stuff too (mk2 fuse, e.g.). Mark2 cockpit (now the Mk1 Inline) is same as it was, though.

Lack · October 7, 2014

Oh, right. Sorry, didn't mention the "we don't even have that part anymore" ones. Mk2 stuff too (mk2 fuse, e.g.). Mark2 cockpit (now the Mk1 Inline) is same as it was, though.

Luckily I use a few textures more than others, so changing the pathnames for a few of the parts solves a lot of the problems. I can also copy over the ones that have changed considerably.

So far I've only needed to have a copy of the old Mk1 fuselage and cockpit textures, since I've got a few dozen parts that use the diffuse fuselage and the both cockpit textures. But 3 textures isn't so bad.

Tired though, so going to have to call it a day, and I'm up early tomorrow to get my morning work done earlier so I can fully 'enjoy' countless hours of meetings.

NathanKell · October 7, 2014

Would you consider taking the opportunity (since you have to include a texture anyway) to remap the Bonny so we can edit its texture? (I want to make it look even more like a razorback canopy...and support color switching.)

No rush though! Sleep, RL, etc.

billbobjebkirk · October 8, 2014

If I install the mod that adds the pre .25 spaceplane parts, will SXT work?

Lack · October 8, 2014

If I install the mod that adds the pre .25 spaceplane parts, will SXT work?

It might fix some of the parts' textures, but the folder re-shuffle is what's affecting most of it. Most of it's a matter of changing the pathnames. It being tedious is the main problem (and since I haven't actually brought a new desk yet, so I'm doing everything while lying on the floor, so getting dead-legs or sore elbows is another one). Notepad++ is a God-send though. But the parts will nearly all work, they'll just have matte grey/black/etc textures.

@NathanKell,

I'm still trying to avoid extra textures where possible. What I could do is upload the model, then you could re-UVmap to your spec, I'll run it back through Unity and send you the .mu. You can then release it as a patch or something, and/or I could stick a link in the OP.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39086055/cockpit2.dae

NathanKell · October 8, 2014

Oh, that's actually even better, because if you're willing to run it through Unity, I'll bloody *make* the cockpit. My problem isn't modeling, it's not having had a chance to learn Unity. But 3ds max I know. :]

Seriously though, only if you have time, and after you get SXT sorted; it's low priority. Thanks *ever* so much!

Lack · October 8, 2014

Oh, that's actually even better, because if you're willing to run it through Unity, I'll bloody *make* the cockpit. My problem isn't modeling, it's not having had a chance to learn Unity. But 3ds max I know. :]
Seriously though, only if you have time, and after you get SXT sorted; it's low priority. Thanks *ever* so much!

No problem.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39086055/SXT-Fixfor25.zip

That should fix most of the problems with SXT and 0.25. There'll be parts that'll need re-doing and the likes, and there's unfinished stuff for SXT-18, but it mostly works (hopefully).

tygoo7 · October 9, 2014

@Tygoo,
It's getting overhauled, I posted pics a while back. In the mean time you could just open the Konstructs/Kerbtown menu and move the offending assets.

Ooo I just saw those pics and the overhaul looks fantastic! I hate to ask this but do you have an ETA?

Lack · October 9, 2014

Ooo I just saw those pics and the overhaul looks fantastic! I hate to ask this but do you have an ETA?

Probably a fair while away if I'm honest. I need to draw up an assets list of what I'd like (buildings, etc), then possibly expand the project to include more people.

A newer one:

Zaphod12 · October 9, 2014

Probably a fair while away if I'm honest. I need to draw up an assets list of what I'd like (buildings, etc), then possibly expand the project to include more people.
A newer one:
http://i.imgur.com/h2EYcvc.png

Woo, cannot wait to extend KSC with the new future version of KSC++

Some suggestions and questions:

Will the overhaul still have the train?

My suggestions are:

- More buildings of course(Like perhaps an entrance road gate to the Kerbal Space Center and an kerbonaut training center(As the current Astronaut complex looks like it only is crew quarters, not crew training)

- Fixing the road intersection(AkA: That the modded road would no longer be separated by grass of the roads of the default KSC buildings)

- Moving cars on the default building roads as well

Edited October 9, 2014 by Zaphod12

Spacepetscompany · October 9, 2014

Woo, cannot wait to extend KSC with the new future version of KSC++
Some suggestions and questions:
Will the overhaul still have the train?
My suggestions are:
- More buildings of course(Like perhaps an entrance road gate to the Kerbal Space Center and an kerbonaut training center(As the current Astronaut complex looks like it only is crew quarters, not crew training)
- Fixing the road intersection(AkA: That the modded road would no longer be separated by grass of the roads of the default KSC buildings)
- Moving cars on the default building roads as well

And a visitors center? Perhaps a boardwalk by the sea? And how about a dock to go with said boardwalk?

Also, Lack: the new version looks much better!

Camacha · October 10, 2014

Are there any TweakScale configurations available for this mod?

Reichtangle · October 10, 2014

Aircraft with 1 day of DV.
http://i.imgur.com/TZod5jZ.jpg
No, it doesn't need the super-long wing, but it does allow for greater lift and lower flight speed at altitude.
http://i.imgur.com/fXKiQnc.jpg

Gib craft plz.

RenatsMC · October 10, 2014

Hi so i read thought the posts from http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/24906-WIP-LLL-Lack-Luster-Labs-LLL-12-2-10MAY2014-SXT-PATCH-09OCT2014-KSC-v3/page253

and it doesn't mention if KSC ++ is compatible with new update 0.25 ?

Sauron · October 10, 2014

Question, Lack: since you're making larger 3.75m engines, is a smaller 3.75 engine out of the question? Sometimes I find the KR-1L to be a bit too big for my purposes. Also, since you're tops at hab cans, a few more parts matching the larger 3.75m hab in style?

Reichtangle · October 10, 2014

Hi so i read thought the posts from http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/24906-WIP-LLL-Lack-Luster-Labs-LLL-12-2-10MAY2014-SXT-PATCH-09OCT2014-KSC-v3/page253
and it doesn't mention if KSC ++ is compatible with new update 0.25 ?

Yes. There's a fix for it.

EDIT:Wait, KSC ++? I have no idea.

Edited October 10, 2014 by Reichtangle

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