nhnifong Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Non-empty antimatter tanks do require energy in order to not explode, I added this feature just in the last update.haha! awesome! Sorry, I didn't notice yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidMonkey Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Do you have the latest version of TreeLoader or latest version of KSPI? There was a problem with the way that TreeLoader loaded files in the previous version that prevented modded parts appearing in modded tech trees, downloading either the new treeloader or a new copy of KSPI should fix it.Updated my TreeLoader to 1.1.2, and all is well. Thanks, and AWESOME mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaporlynx Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Are there any plans to replace some of the lower quality art used in this mod with higher quality assets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractal_UK Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Are there any plans to replace some of the lower quality art used in this mod with higher quality assets?I'm always trying to do this, it has come a long way from where it started but I'm very reliant on help from volunteers, particularly all the great work ZZZ has done.Good modellers are always more than welcome to help contribute though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractal_UK Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 I must be absolutely blind today because I've not seen this question asked and if it has been asked, I apologise for asking it again!Is there some means of integrating this into the stock tech tree in a way that doesn't exclude other parts mods?I was mucking about with B9 and KW Rocketry yesterday and it seemed those parts can't be integrated into the research tree when using a custom research tree like the one that integrates KSP Interstellar. As much as I love KSP Interstellar, I do love some good, old-fashioned rocketry and would very much like to get those mods working together!You need to install the new version of TreeLoader or re-download and re-install KSP Interstellar. Both of these have the fix for this problem.Not getting any science from the labs either, I have a 4 lab station in LKO with the largest Dish Transmitter and I get nothing from it. Even tried the transmit data button, and it sends nothing.Science lab functionality is working fine when the ship is selected but persistent science collection seems to have died. I shall work on a fix.Tested the fix this now and it is working.Now just the atmospheric scoop problem to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrNuke Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hah! You forgot to put up how much Kerbol produces! It's SO MUCH higher than ALL other planets!You are correct, I was having some issues with getting the numbers to agree with what I was seeing in game. However I have now produced these new charts. The album has also been updated as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabactus Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I've run into a problem. I have a network of 6 power satellites in high orbit and a station (not really a station, a computer core with a microwave receiver and radiators, more of a proof of concept craft) in low orbit. All the individual crafts work fine but when I use the microwave transmitters to transfer power to the station's microwave receiver nothing happens. The receiver is registering power input and connection to the satellites but the power never builds up in the station. What am I doing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) I'm not saying it's "wrong" per se. So, the system goes (0), 10, 100, 1,000...and then just jumps to factors of 100 from then on?No, it jumps by factors of 1000 from then on. There's no 10,000 or 100,000 prefix, after kilo (1000), the next is mega (1,000,000).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefixComing up with 48 different prefixes to cover the entire range covered would be... a challenge. And counter-productive -- that's far too much for anyone to memorize -- it would be more confusing than helpful. But the original French system did have a 10,000 prefix, "myria-", it was just never adopted into SI. Edited October 22, 2013 by Gaius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donziboy2 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I've run into a problem. I have a network of 6 power satellites in high orbit and a station (not really a station, a computer core with a microwave receiver and radiators, more of a proof of concept craft) in low orbit. All the individual crafts work fine but when I use the microwave transmitters to transfer power to the station's microwave receiver nothing happens. The receiver is registering power input and connection to the satellites but the power never builds up in the station. What am I doing wrong?In order for you to actually build up any MJ/MW you have to receive more then 1MW of power, and I believe the core will need 5MW to run science also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharios Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 No, it jumps by factors of 1000 from then on. There's no 10,000 or 100,000 prefix, after kilo (1000), the next is mega (1,000,000).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefixComing up with 48 different prefixes to cover the entire range covered would be... a challenge. And counter-productive -- that's far too much for anyone to memorize -- it would be more confusing than helpful. But the original French system did have a 10,000 prefix, "myria-", it was just never adopted into SI.My mistake...dunno why I was thinking 100.In any case, I can certainly understand wanting to cut down on the number of prefixes used, after a certain point, but I think 10 thousand and 100 thousand are in common enough use in the modern world that they at least should be adopted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractal_UK Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 I've run into a problem. I have a network of 6 power satellites in high orbit and a station (not really a station, a computer core with a microwave receiver and radiators, more of a proof of concept craft) in low orbit. All the individual crafts work fine but when I use the microwave transmitters to transfer power to the station's microwave receiver nothing happens. The receiver is registering power input and connection to the satellites but the power never builds up in the station. What am I doing wrong?Yeah, I'll bet if you have a computer core on there it's simply using up all the power so you're not seeing any increase in the resource bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeone Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Why Anti-Matter tanks are always discharging? I have ample power available (1.5m nuke reactor/generator)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractal_UK Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Why Anti-Matter tanks are always discharging? I have ample power available (1.5m nuke reactor/generator)?You're not using up all the power somehow, are you? The generator should show a small power draw from the antimatter tank, right click on the generator and have a look what it is reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabactus Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Yeah, I guess using the network as a means of rapidly charging a warp drive just got shot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractal_UK Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Yeah, I guess using the network as a means of rapidly charging a warp drive just got shot down.It's possible - if you put your transmitter satellites in a very low orbit of Kerbol. The solar panels have their inverse-square behaviour improved, which means they produce less power in the outer system and massively massively more in the inner system. More than 100x the power output at Kerbin is very achievable.Costs a lot of delta-v to get so close to the sun though, Jool gravity assist followed by a bi-elliptic transfer down is probably the most efficient approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabactus Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 It's possible - if you put your transmitter satellites in a very low orbit of Kerbol. The solar panels have their inverse-square behaviour improved, which means they produce less power in the outer system and massively massively more in the inner system. More than 100x the power output at Kerbin is very achievable.Costs a lot of delta-v to get so close to the sun though, Jool gravity assist followed by a bi-elliptic transfer down is probably the most efficient approach.I had them around Kerbin at around 1,0000 km at 0 latitude about about 60 degrees from one another. I just didn't get the output I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorensonPA Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Do radiator upgrades kick in at the same time as reactor upgrades, or are those supposed to come later? Got the improved power output, but now I can't dissipate it before the whole thing shuts down and it pretty much makes reactors useless due to the weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractal_UK Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Do radiator upgrades kick in at the same time as reactor upgrades, or are those supposed to come later? Got the improved power output, but now I can't dissipate it before the whole thing shuts down and it pretty much makes reactors useless due to the weight.Radiator upgrades are in experimental electronics, so they should be easier / cheaper to get than the upgraded reactors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSpeare Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I haven't gotten up to those parts yet, but can you still retrofit?KSPI is really wonderful with the career mode btw, it's really adding a lot of enjoyment chasing the tech tree with the warp drive as that ultimate goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) My mistake...dunno why I was thinking 100.In any case, I can certainly understand wanting to cut down on the number of prefixes used, after a certain point, but I think 10 thousand and 100 thousand are in common enough use in the modern world that they at least should be adopted.If they were that common, though, wouldn't there be English names for them? Notice there's a word for "ten", a word for "hundred", a word for "thousand", and a word for "million", but no word for "ten thousand" -- you have to say ten of the smaller quantity, and no word for "hundred thousand", again, have to use two words, a hundred of the smaller word. English-speaking people at least seem to think once you hit a thousand, you should come up with new words for powers of a 1000 from that point, not powers of ten. (The word "myriad" once meant specifically "ten thousand", but that usage is archaic, in modern English it just means "a large number".)As it stands, the SI prefixes exactly correspond to English words in common usage ("deca-" means ten, "hecto-" means hundred, "kilo-" means thousand, "mega-" means million, "giga-" means billion, etc.) -- ten and hundred thousand prefixes would break that symmetry, extending to powers of ten rarely used enough that English-speakers don't even have individual words for them (archaic usage aside) and resort to compound names for the numbers. The SI system simply follows the established convention for what people over the years have determined to be the most comfortable level of cutting up large numbers into words.If you did insert new prefixes in there, you'd end up with odd quantity changes translating back and forth into natural languages, e.g. "23 kilometers" = "23 thousand meters", a natural translation preserving the quantity, but if you had "myriameters", then "24 myriameters" = "240 thousand meters" -- notice here that the quantity has to change when expressing it in natural language. Instead of "X prefixmeters = X word meters", you have "X prefixmeters = (X times ten) word meters". It would be awkward.It's probably not by coincidence that the standard convention for writing these numbers in decimal is to start adding commas (or periods in some countries) between the digits when the numbers hit 10,000 (you can also do it between 1000 and 9999, but it's optional there). That's the point when we start breaking digits into groups of three. And it's precisely at that point that we stop naming the powers of ten that aren't powers of a thousand. The SI prefix standard falls precisely into this same pattern. Edited October 22, 2013 by Gaius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorensonPA Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Radiator upgrades are in experimental electronics, so they should be easier / cheaper to get than the upgraded reactors.Err, sorry. More specifically, I was talking about nuclear reactors which were are currently at their upgraded outputs while radiators are base. Though luckily I was sitting on 1K science so I guess experimental electronics are where they're headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharios Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 If they were that common, though, wouldn't there be English names for them? Notice there's a word for "ten", a word for "hundred", a word for "thousand", and a word for "million", but no word for "ten thousand" -- you have to say ten of the smaller quantity, and no word for "hundred thousand", again, have to use two words, a hundred of the smaller word. English-speaking people at least seem to think once you hit a thousand, you should come up with new words for powers of a 1000 from that point, not powers of ten. (The word "myriad" once meant specifically "ten thousand", but that usage is archaic, in modern English it just means "a large number".) As it stands, the SI prefixes exactly correspond to English words in common usage ("deca-" means ten, "hecto-" means hundred, "kilo-" means thousand, "mega-" means million, "giga-" means billion, etc.) -- ten and hundred thousand prefixes would break that symmetry, extending to powers of ten rarely used enough that English-speakers don't even have individual words for them (archaic usage aside) and resort to compound names for the numbers.You're somewhat correct. English...doesn't exist. It's a language in the same sense that mutts are a dog breed or mulattos are a race, or mules are a species. Better to think of it as a poly-dialect or whatever term might more accurately be made up for it. But anyway...yes, numerical ideas like 10,000 and 100,000 are very common today. They weren't common in the past, and strangely that's why they had their own names...they were special enough. Some things are special enough, some things are common enough, and everything in between is just out of luck. That's how everything works. Everyday things get named because they're always in mind...and special things get named because whenever they do happen to be around, they're automatically in mind. Anything between those gets ignored as either beneath notice or otherwise unimportant.I happen to think that perhaps that point has shifted enough to warrant a couple of new prefixes. How often is the number spoken on a daily basis by non-nerd gamers, let alone all those who are nerds in general? But in the big picture, it doesn't actually matter, since the problem was with a graph that was listed in km with a scientific notation far out of the focus of the graph. Which turned out to be a problem with the graphing program rather than the person making the graph.I don't actually care if it happens or not. I just think it wouldn't be a waste, and could be useful. But, I think we've wasted enough time on it anyway. So we'll all get back to more important things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donziboy2 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Gentlemen can we please stay on topic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandalis Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Okay, so I'm trying to figure out the microwave relays, and I seem to be missing something. I'm not getting any power transmitted or received, when building a sat with just the transmitter, strut for the body, radiator, and some solar panels. The only way I've managed to get one of these things functioning, is by slapping a reactor/generator combo on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzz Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) 1.25 nuclear reactor disigned with planes in mind. Button is doing nothing. It's full copy of kiwi bit little bigger because of shielding in front.http://www./?wa1jf5vg3n62693 Edited October 22, 2013 by zzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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