100km Munar Landing Challenge

[YarTheBug]

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[........100km Munar Landing Challenge.......]

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There is a problem! Jeb needs to get Bob to the Munar surface FAST! Are you up to the challenge?

Using the supplied save file, take the Phoebe lander to the surface. This will be a targeted landing near a small probe next to a Munar Arch.

Video - I'll post another one later with a more competitive time.

--- THE COMPETITION ---

TTL Competition: You'll need to land in one piece within 100m of the probe. Screenshots with MET's will be used to judge MET's for the leader board. Videos are even better. NO HIJINX!

Best Hijinx: As above; hijinx allowed.

TTI Competition: Slam into the ground, killing Jeb and Bob instantly... You monster!!

Best Explosion: To be judged by the community!

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------ THE PRIZES -------

TTL Winner:.........Gets to explain why Bob needed to get to the surface so quickly!

Best Hijinx:..........

TTI Competition:..Has the solace of knowing that Jeb and Bob are alive and well on others' savefiles.

Best Explosion:....Gets to explain why Bob faceplanted!

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----- LEADERS: TTL ------

1: Aphobius.........04:36

2: Jasonbail.........04:40

3: YarTheBug......05:15

4: metaphor........07:48

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----- BEST HIJINX ------

1: YarTheBug.........00:00*

2: CalculusWarrior...00:21

3: Johnno................02:24

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*awaiting participants' response

------ LEADERS: TTI ------

1: Aphobius..........04:36*

2: YarTHeBug........04:40

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* landed safely, kudos.

---- BEST EXPLOSION ----

You?........??:??

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Caveats and Addendums:

NO Unbreakable Joints (this is above and beyond hijinx)

NO No Crash Damage (this is also above and beyond hijinx)

Altering the Station's Orbit is considered hijinx

Using the cheat menu in any way is considered hijinx

Thanks pebble_garden for helping get me started recording.

This is the challenge that inspired me.

Cheers!

- Yar

Edited August 25, 2013 by YarTheBug

[Aphobius]

My first try, probably I can do much much better.

I'll also post a movie later, I don't want to steal from anyone the joy of designing his own procedure for this challenge.

[YarTheBug]

My first try, probably I can do much much better.

{pic redacted}

I'll also post a movie later, I don't want to steal from anyone the joy of designing his own procedure for this challenge.

Great time, Aphobius. I look forward to seeing it!

Edited August 21, 2013 by YarTheBug

[Johnno]

Here's my entry without any hijinks.

And here's my hijinks (but still fully within the ruleset) attempt.

The reason for posting the second one is to point out a few flaws in the ruleset of this challenge. Rather than entirely ruling out the debug console you've pointed out two parts of it, which kind if implies that the others are ok. Had you not mentioned the debug console functions at all one could argue you didn't know about it and that it'd be unsportsmanlike to use any of them. So I would recommend ruling out the debug console entirely.

Second point of feedback, the station. With both an engine and fuel it can be used to ones advantage, perhaps that's entirely intended (ie think outside the box!) however even with just fuel one could use the lander's engine and station's fuel, while still keeping the timer on the station's duration, before undocking the lander (which is the ruling timer). Even without fuel the station could be used to alter the lander's orbit and wait for the perfect moment before undocking.

So, a more competetive challenge, with this same setup, would be to undock the lander where you (challenge creator) would want it to start from, swap to space center and remove the station entirely. Thus you'd have the lander in orbit of Mün, with a timer started, and it would be down to the player to find the fastest route.

Other than that, nice challenge.

[YarTheBug]

Here's my entry without any hijinks.

{image redacted}

And here's my hijinks (but still fully within the ruleset) attempt.

{image redacted}

The reason for posting the second one is to point out a few flaws in the ruleset of this challenge. Rather than entirely ruling out the debug console you've pointed out two parts of it, which kind if implies that the others are ok. Had you not mentioned the debug console functions at all one could argue you didn't know about it and that it'd be unsportsmanlike to use any of them. So I would recommend ruling out the debug console entirely.

Well played, sir! I'll add a special "Hijinx Allowed" section to the awards and clarify the TTL rules accordingly.

Second point of feedback, the station. With both an engine and fuel it can be used to ones advantage, perhaps that's entirely intended (ie think outside the box!) however even with just fuel one could use the lander's engine and station's fuel, while still keeping the timer on the station's duration, before undocking the lander (which is the ruling timer). Even without fuel the station could be used to alter the lander's orbit and wait for the perfect moment before undocking.

Intended loophole, but we'll still call this "Hijinx". Rep to you!

So, a more competetive challenge, with this same setup, would be to undock the lander where you (challenge creator) would want it to start from, swap to space center and remove the station entirely. Thus you'd have the lander in orbit of Mün, with a timer started, and it would be down to the player to find the fastest route.

Other than that, nice challenge.

I had considered removing the station, but I felt this removes some of the fun. Part of the challenge is finding the right phase in orbit to undock.

Thanks for the feedback!

- Yar

[Aphobius]

I guess it was kinda obvious that we are not allowed to alter the orbit using the station, that's not smart and that guy destroyed the challenge by doing that.

EDIT: If that's allowed, you can remove my time from the leaderboard.

[metaphor]

Here's my attempt without any hijinks. Didn't use the station's engine or fuel. The lander has a lot of delta-v, pretty fast times are possible.

I have a video too, but my capture window was too small so it's not showing the time.

Video:

I'm really bad at making videos.

Edited August 21, 2013 by metaphor

[Johnno]

In the interest of avoiding hurt feelings and staying with the original idea of the challenge, feel free to remove both of my entries from the scoreboard.

I'll make a new entry without using station's fuel or engine (or any hijinx whatsoever). I'll try to beat metaphor's time.

[YarTheBug]

I guess it was kinda obvious that we are not allowed to alter the orbit using the station, that's not smart and that guy destroyed the challenge by doing that.

EDIT: If that's allowed, you can remove my time from the leaderboard.

I was able to make a legit landing near the 6-minute mark (not saying yet which side or how near).

Also moving the station maybe was a bit obvious, but it is none the less hijinx and a *dis*-qualifier for the TTL prize. Just to be sure...

@ Johnno: Your 05:50 landing was without altering the station's orbit, correct?

[EDIT: Removing this time, but keeping the hijinx prize. I want that cookie!]

Here's my attempt without any hijinks. Didn't use the station's engine or fuel. The lander has a lot of delta-v, pretty fast times are possible.

{image redacted}

I have a video too, but my capture window was too small so it's not showing the time.

Good time! Post that video if you dare. I'd like to see your approach technique.

Cheers!

- Yar

[Johnno]

@ Johnno: Your 05:50 landing was without altering the station's orbit, correct?

[EDIT: Removing this time, but keeping the hijinx prize. I want that cookie!]

Both my times used station fuel/engine. My hijinx was using hack/enable gravity as well, hence my suggestion to ban the debug console entirely.

[Aphobius]

Well done metaphor, I was keeping that method for later use.

It's done without any ..... "hijinx" and without using the station to alter the orbit.

I'll post a movie too later.

[CalculusWarrior]

My entry is most definitely full of hijinx; I saw that adjusting the station's orbit was allowed, and so I...extended that premise a bit.

Javascript is disabled. View full album

Lander time: 21 seconds.

(I don't expect this to be accepted as a legitimate submission, but I had fun doing it)

Edited August 24, 2013 by CalculusWarrior

[YarTheBug]

Excellent work, guys!

Well done metaphor, I was keeping that method for later use.

{image redacted}

It's done without any ..... "hijinx" and without using the station to alter the orbit.

I'll post a movie too later.

I look forward to watching it. Just to be clear moving the station = "hijinx"

My entry is most definitely full of hijinx; I saw that adjusting the station's orbit was allowed, and so I...extended that premise a bit.

{gallery redacted}

Lander time: 21 seconds.

(I don't expect this to be accepted as a legitimate submission, but I had fun doing it)

Deorbit the station? That's bordering on the realm of monkey-shine and tom-foolery! Kudos to you, sir. That internet cookie is nearly yours!

Aside: I like that we have two challenges now. One serious one which Aphobius is currently rocking with his (de-)Orbiter skills, and another which is quickly devolving into pure lunacy.

- Yar

[pebble_garden]

@ CalculusWarrior

Your entry made me laugh hard. Thanks for that.

PS you put the idea of 'stationary' back into 'station'.

[YarTheBug]

In B4 other 00:00

video

- Yarrrr!

(edit: This is of course a *HI*jinx entry)

Edited August 22, 2013 by YarTheBug

[Aphobius]

I see that no one else is trying it.

Here's the

. A slight better time than in the picture.

[YarTheBug]

@Aphobius: I think you've scared us all away. I'm working on the video for my serious attempt which I recorded before posting the challenge. I gave myself 3 attempts. The Third was the best.

The Hyjinx Special is up.

I count 6 new hyjinx. If you guys think this is to much, I'll let CalculusWarrior take the cookie.

Has anyone created a "General List of No-noes During Challenges"? I'd like to see it so I can just copypasta it (with attribution).

- Yar

(edit: video in 90 min)

Edited August 22, 2013 by YarTheBug

[Aphobius]

Don't forget to update my time, with the one from the movie (5:32 I guess).

[YarTheBug]

@ Aphobius: Done. I may have to make another attempt just to save face. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

[Saberus]

I will attempt this on Monday. With my (lack of) landing skills, I will be attempting for either best TTI or best explosion first.

[Bioman222]

My entry is most definitely full of hijinx; I saw that adjusting the station's orbit was allowed, and so I...extended that premise a bit.

-snip-

Take the #2 out of your imgur album code.

[YarTheBug]

05:15

A guy i work with (props William) thought of this.

I will of course be screenshot-ing the leaderboard before Aphobius sees this and smokes me.

@ Aphobius: See if you can get it under 05:00!?

Video is up.

- Yar

[edit: Just noticed Jeb looking up at the clock too!]

Edited August 23, 2013 by YarTheBug

[Aphobius]

Well done. Just now I saw it, but I'm at work, I'll try it tomorrow, I don't think the fuel transfer is necessary.

[Jasonbail]

I managed a 4:56 landing with the use of RCS micro-managing. Could have been better a more aggressive final approach and not doing a little landing bounce.

Edited August 24, 2013 by Jasonbail

[YarTheBug]

Woohoohoo! New contestant!

I never thought of removing a solar panel upon undocking. Still, you "landed in one piece" per criteria.

You're right on the landing. You saved a lot of time and adjustment by overflying the target for a vertical descent. Still, the touchdown took about 9 seconds. I've been able to get it solidly down quicker, but only at the expense of time spend fiddling around over target at 15m/s. I don't know if the tradeoff for soft-landing is worth it. My second best "final attempt" landing was at 15m/s and I bounced 10m high with the 'N' key firmly held down.

Nice Flying. I think now it's down to the great pilots. This sadly excludes good ones like me .

- Yar