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Xeldrak

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MiniMatt

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Re what to do once we run out of stock craft - well by the time we run out a new version of KSP comes out and we can start all over again :)

Going to be interesting to figure out where stock craft will sit in the game moving forward - will they always be a sandbox feature or will there be a role for them in career mode? If so, what tech levels come into play? I forsee a great future in BSC challenges :)

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antbin

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Congrats Xeldrak and all the shortlist finalists! I'm with AmpsterMan on how much fun these BSCs are. Missed this one but will keep an eye peeled. At some point we will have to vote on a new stock craft concept and build it.

Any chance of Squad using any of the finalists' creations, I wonder?

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I_Killed_Jeb

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Fun challenge, really incredible designs by everyone! And thanks for the critique to those of you generous enough to provide it. I'd say Aeris 4A is the stock craft that needs most dire betterment, it's completely unflyable once you run down like 25% of the fuel

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AmpsterMan

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Thank you guys, thank you - quite unexpected, to be honest.

I think ampster was on the right track with a very low part count and a simple design.

Dude your craft was awesome! And thanks for the shout out, this has been the most interesting challenge to date IMHO. Many engineering challenges that needed to be overcome.

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gm537

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Which one because I think we were all fairly different XD

Mostly Xeldrak's which has some similarities to Hejnfelt, basically a wide base with lander legs coming of a set of 1.25m tanks with 909's underneath with a central 2.5m stack. Mine is designed to have a very low COM and be land-able just about everywhere. I landed on the Mun on a slope of nearly 40 degrees as in my Navball was pointing at the 50 degree line.

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AmpsterMan

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Mostly Xeldrak's which has some similarities to Hejnfelt, basically a wide base with lander legs coming of a set of 1.25m tanks with 909's underneath with a central 2.5m stack. Mine is designed to have a very low COM and be land-able just about everywhere. I landed on the Mun on a slope of nearly 40 degrees as in my Navball was pointing at the 50 degree line.

Ah yes, I see. Mine is very minimalist in every way. It's not meant to land on slopes or much of anywhere else besides Duna, Mun, and Minmus. I'm actually surprised I got second place as "functionally" it had a few things wrong with it. Awkward placement of RCS jets being one of them. Very high center of mass being another.

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mcirish3

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Doh, ya I guess that was a stupid question. I guess the discussion after the MK1 challenge lead straight to this challenge. I haven't seen any indications from from the post challenge chat indicating what the community wants to make so I Guess it is up to you do pick this time. :)

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Sirine

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@Xeldrak

May I suggest that the next BSC:-

1) Specifically list out the score base on the requirement or goal to achieve?

2) No more, vote for what you like.

3) No more, guess for what the other like for and build for the vote.

All the previous BSC are having gray line on defining the "best" replacement. And all the participant are just guessing around on what to enhance.

Once a topic has been decided, a pre-poll about what is the most value added to that "best" replacement, and we can actually have a common goal to achieve for that build.

More stable, is a very broad word. How stable is stable?

More delta-v, also a very broad word. How much more is more?

Ideal mass, what is ideal mass anyway? ratio base on mass/delta-v? How asparagus staging in ratio calculate?

So, at least work out some point system so we can actually have a goal in mind for the next BSC build.

Please consider.

Thanks,

Sirine

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Xeldrak

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Thanks for your input, Sirine.

Well, the previous BSC had a very gray line of "best" - and I like it that way. It's supposed to be a creative challenge as well, built what you think is best, not built so that you get the most points on a chart. All these questions you wrote down are questions the contender has to face and aswer for themselves. They are part of the challenge and answering them (at least I hope so) is part of the fun.

Furthermore, I did write several of my thoughts about what the stock craft should and should not be down and several people (e.g. you) completely ignored what I wrote. For example, I allready ask you guys explicidly in the Guidelines to not simply vote for what you like.

Also: This is no challenge to find the objectively best craft - it's a challenge to have fun. Thats also why I included designs, that clearly paid no mind at all to my scribbling. As I said before - we are not actually replacing the original stock craft. It's just make-believe.

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I_Killed_Jeb

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@Xeldrak

May I suggest that the next BSC:-

1) Specifically list out the score base on the requirement or goal to achieve?

2) No more, vote for what you like.

3) No more, guess for what the other like for and build for the vote.

All the previous BSC are having gray line on defining the "best" replacement. And all the participant are just guessing around on what to enhance.

Once a topic has been decided, a pre-poll about what is the most value added to that "best" replacement, and we can actually have a common goal to achieve for that build.

More stable, is a very broad word. How stable is stable?

More delta-v, also a very broad word. How much more is more?

Ideal mass, what is ideal mass anyway? ratio base on mass/delta-v? How asparagus staging in ratio calculate?

So, at least work out some point system so we can actually have a goal in mind for the next BSC build.

Please consider.

Thanks,

Sirine

Disagree, there's more creativity in the current way

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