[1.2] Real Solar System v12.0 Dec 8

metaphor · November 21, 2013

Cassini spacecraft on Titan IVB:

It has stages and engines as close to real life as I could make them. Now the hard part is figuring out when to launch with Venus in the right place for a gravity assist.

li7in6 · November 21, 2013

Cassini spacecraft on Titan IVB:
It has stages and engines as close to real life as I could make them. Now the hard part is figuring out when to launch with Venus in the right place for a gravity assist.

Anyone else have an issue when trying to radial mount Stretchy SRB's like in metaphor's pics?

When I do it, initially it works fine and the first launch they're where they're supposed to be. But on a reset or if I load back into the VAB the SRB's are floating out a couple meters from the radial couplers.

I'll get a screenshot.

Starwaster · November 21, 2013

Anyone else have an issue when trying to radial mount Stretchy SRB's like in metaphor's pics?
When I do it, initially it works fine and the first launch they're where they're supposed to be. But on a reset or if I load back into the VAB the SRB's are floating out a couple meters from the radial couplers.
I'll get a screenshot.

I've seen that in older versions, I thought it was fixed.

Starwaster · November 21, 2013

Anybody is also welcome to try this hotfix (without Starwaster's fix) and see if that works
v5.2 prerelease.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s4ainrqvwlxe2q7/RealSolarSystem_v5_2.zip

I'll check it outs an hour or so.

Sternface · November 21, 2013

Here is my Minuteman III replica for RSS, also using NathanKell's Modular Fuel Tanks (RFRW) + Ferram's FAR. As a comparison between RSS and stock, I also included a shot of my stock Minuteman for regular old KSP.

Both carried almost the same payload, and my first stage for the stock version used a 2.5m 650kN motor. My RSS Minuteman required a 3.5m 2400kN first stage :huh:

First and second shots are from stock, one of the missile, and one of the 3rd stage in sub-oribital flight. I included a lot of shots as I wanted to capture the somewhat elaborate staging :cool:

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Edited November 21, 2013 by Sternface

NathanKell · November 21, 2013

I'm working on the surface attach bug right now for ST (both attaching to them, and attaching tanks/SRBs to decouplers).

Sternface: Nice! You might want to try with StretchySRB: you can have solids as big as you like for that missile, with custom thrust/burntime.

Also, you might want FASA: It has W88s and a MIRV bus.

sephirotic · November 21, 2013

I used sephirotic's brilliant suggestion to include the Planet Factory planets, plus City Lights and Clouds and Universe Replacer:

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I used some slightly different settings:


REALSOLARSYSTEM
{
 // Note, bodies below MUST be in precedence order. Parents before children.
 // So Sun, then the planets, then the moons.
 Sun
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 696342000
  Mass = 1.9891E+30
 }

 // Mercury = Moho
 Moho
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2439700
  rotationPeriod = 5067031.68
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 2.11
  Mass = 3.3022E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 57909100000
   eccentricity = 0.20563
   inclination = 7.005
   meanAnomaly = 174.796
   period = 7600530.24
   LAN = 48.331
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 29.124
  }
 }

 // Venus = Eve
 Eve
 {
  SSTScale = 0.99868058647931
  Radius = 6051800
  rotationPeriod = 20996798.4
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 177.36
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 15.9
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 220000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 55
  GeeASL = 0.905
  Mass = 4.8676E+24
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 108208000000
   eccentricity = 0.0067
   inclination = 3.39458
   meanAnomaly = 50.115
   period = 19414166.4
   LAN = 76.678
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 55.186
  }
 }

 // Earth = Kerbin
 Kerbin
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 6371000
  rotationPeriod = 86164.1
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 23.44
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 7.5
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 104000
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 149598261000
   eccentricity = 0.01671123
   inclination = 0
   meanAnomaly = 357.51716
   period = 31558149.7635456
   LAN = 348.73936
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 114.20783
  }
  SSFStart = 78000
  SSFEnd = 80000
  PQSfadeStart = 80000
  PQSfadeEnd = 100000
  PQSSecfadeStart = 80000
  PQSSecfadeEnd = 100000
  PQSdeactivateAltitude = 105000
  PQS
  {
	  Kerbin
	  {
		PQSMod_VertexSimplexHeightAbsolute // doubles
		{
			deformity = 1000 // 485
			persistence = 0.7 // 0.60000002384185791
			frequency = 36 //12 // 24
		}
		PQSMod_VertexHeightNoiseVertHeightCurve2 // floats
		{
			deformity = 6000 // 4000
			ridgedAddFrequency = 48 // 48
			ridgedSubFrequency = 32 // 32
			//ridgedAddOctaves = 8 // 6 INT
			simplexHeightStart = 400 // 800
			simplexHeightEnd = 7000 // 4600

		}
		PQSMod_VertexRidgedAltitudeCurve // floats
		{
			deformity = 1800 //1100 // 750
			ridgedAddFrequency = 140 // 25 // 140
			//ridgedAddOctaves = 8 // 3 INT
		}
		PQSMod_VertexHeightMap // doubles
		{
			heightMapDeformity = 7000 // 5000
		}
		PQSMod_AltitudeAlpha // doubles
		{
			atmosphereDepth = 6000 // 4000
		}
		PQSCity
		{
			KEYname = KSC
			repositionRadial = 158200.0, -220.0, -570000.0
			lodvisibleRangeMult = 6
		}
	  }
	  KerbinOcean
	  {
		PQSMod_AerialPerspectiveMaterial // floats
		{
			atmosphereDepth = 7500 // 5000, scale height in m
		}
	  }
	}
	//Export
	//{
		//resolution = 8192
		//maxHeight = 12000
		//oceanColor = 0.1255, 0.22353, 0.35683
	//}
 }

 // Moon = Mun
 Mun
 {
  SSTScale = 0.9832
  Radius = 1737100
  rotationPeriod = 2360584.68479999
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 1.5424
  GeeASL = 0.1654
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 384399000
   eccentricity = 0.0549
   inclination = 5.145 //5.145 to ecliptic; 23.435 avg to Earth's equator (+-5.145)
   period = 2360584.68479999
  }
  SSFStart = 170000
  SSFEnd = 175000
  PQSfadeStart = 170000
  PQSfadeEnd = 175000
  PQSdeactivateAltitude = 180000
  PQS
  {
	Mun
	{
		PQSMod_VertexHeightMap
		{
			heightMapDeformity = 9500 //7500
		}
		PQSMod_VertexSimplexHeight // doubles
		{
			deformity = 1200 // 400
			persistence = 0.7 //0.5
			frequency = 1 // 12
			//octaves = 10 // 8 // A DOUBLE
		}
		PQSMod_VertexHeightNoiseVertHeight // floats
		{
			deformity = 1200 // 400
			frequency = 12 // 12
			//octaves = 7 // 6 // INT
		}
		PQSMod_VoronoiCraters
		{
			KEYvoronoiSeed = 462
			deformation = 600 //200
			//voronoiFrequency = 100 //50
		}
	  }
	}
 }

 // Mars = Duna
 Duna
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 3396200
  rotationPeriod = 88642.6848
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 25.19
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 11.1
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 154000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.02
  GeeASL = 0.379
  Mass = 6.4185E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 227939100000
   eccentricity = 0.093315
   inclination = 1.85
   meanAnomaly = 19.3564
   period = 59354294.4
   LAN = 49.562
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 286.537
  }
 }

 // Phobos = Bop
 Bop
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 6100
  tidallyLocked = true
  Mass = 10720000000000000
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 9377200
   eccentricity = 0.0151
   inclination = 26.04
   period = 27553.843872
   LAN = 0
   referenceBody = Duna
  }
 }

 // Deimos = Gilly
 Gilly
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 4200
  rotationPeriod = 109074.816
  tidallyLocked = false
  Mass = 1480000000000000
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 23460000
   eccentricity = 0.0002
   inclination = 27.58
   period = 109074.816
   LAN = 0
   referenceBody = Duna
  }
 }

 // Vesta = Inaccessable
 Inaccessable
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 223200
  rotationPeriod = 19233
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 3
  Mass = 2.591E+20
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 353268000000
   eccentricity = 0.08862
   inclination = 7.134
   meanAnomaly = 307.8
   period = 114553440
   LAN = 103.91
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 149.84
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Ceres = Minmus
 Minmus
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 487300
  rotationPeriod = 32668
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 3
  Mass = 9.43E+20
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 413690604000
   eccentricity = 0.079138
   inclination = 10.587
   meanAnomaly = 113.410
   period = 145123488
   LAN = 80.3932
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 72.5898
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Jupiter = Jool
 Jool
 {
  SSTScale = 0.9999
  Radius = 69911000
  rotationPeriod = 35730
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 3.13
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 27
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 374000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.13
  Mass = 1.8986E+27
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 778547200000
   eccentricity = 0.048775
   inclination = 1.305
   meanAnomaly = 18.818
   period = 374335776
   LAN = 100.492
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 275.066
  }
 }

 // Io = Pol
 Pol
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1821300
  tidallyLocked = true
  Mass = 8.9319E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 421800000
   eccentricity = 0.0041
   inclination = 2.21
   period = 152853.5047104
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Europa = Eeloo
 Eeloo
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1560800
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0.1
  Mass = 4.7998E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 671100000
   eccentricity = 0.009
   inclination = 0.47
   period = 306822.0384
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Ganymede = Tylo
 Tylo
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2634100
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0.2
  Mass = 1.4819E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1070400000
   eccentricity = 0.0013
   inclination = 0.2
   period = 618153.375744
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Callisto = Ike
 Ike
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2410300
  tidallyLocked = true
  Mass = 1.075938E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1882700000
   eccentricity = 0.0074
   inclination = 0.192
   period = 1441931.18976
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Saturn = Sentar
 Sentar
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 60268000
  rotationPeriod = 38052
  tidallyLocked = false
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 59.5
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 800000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.16
  Mass = 5.6846E+26
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1433449370000
   eccentricity = 0.055723219
   inclination = 2.485
   meanAnomaly = 320.34675
   period = 929596608
   LAN = 113.642811
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 336.013862
  }
 }

 // Mimas = 

 // Enceladus = Vall
 Vall
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 252100
  rotationPeriod = 118386
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 1.080E+20
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 237948000
   eccentricity = 0.0047
   inclination = 0.019
   period = 118386
   LAN = 0
   referenceBody = Sentar
  }
 }

 // Tethys = 

 // Dione = 

 // Rhea = 

 // Titan = Erin
 Erin
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2576000
  rotationPeriod = 1377648
  tidallyLocked = true
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 40
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 520000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 4.5
  Mass = 1.3452E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1221870000
   eccentricity = 0.0288
   inclination = 0.34854
   period = 1377648
   referenceBody = Sentar
  }
 }

 // Iapetus = Ringle
 Ringle
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1492000
  rotationPeriod = 6853334.4
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 1.8056E+21
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 3560820000
   eccentricity = 0.028612
   inclination = 15.47
   meanAnomaly = 90
   period = 6853334.4
   LAN = 0
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 179
   referenceBody = Sentar
  }
 }

 // Uranus = Skelton
 Skelton
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 25559000
  rotationPeriod = 62063.712
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 97.77
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 27.7
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 390000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.34
  Mass = 8.681E+25
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 2876679082000
   eccentricity = 0.04440558
   inclination = 0.772556
   meanAnomaly = 142.955717
   period = 2661041808
   LAN = 73.989821
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 96.541318
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Puck = 

 // Miranda = Ablate
 Ablate
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 235800
  rotationPeriod = 122125
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 6.59E+19
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 129390000
   eccentricity = 0.0013
   inclination = 93.5
   meanAnomaly = 90
   period = 122125
   LAN = 0
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 179
   referenceBody = Skelton
  }
 }

 // Ariel = 

 // Umbriel = 

 // Titania = Thud
 Thud
 {
  Radius = 788400
  rotationPeriod = 752218
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 3.527E+21
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 435910000
   eccentricity = 0.0011
   inclination = 97.4
   meanAnomaly = 0
   period = 752218
   LAN = 0
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 0
   referenceBody = Skelton
  }
 }

 // Oberon = 

 // Neptune = Laythe
 Laythe
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 24764000
  rotationPeriod = 58000.3
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 28.32
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 19.7
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 260000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.37
  Mass = 1.0243E+26
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 4553946490000
   eccentricity = 0.011214269
   inclination = 1.767975
   meanAnomaly = 267.767281
   period = 5200418592
   LAN = 131.794310
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 265.646853
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Triton = Ascension
 Ascension
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1353400
  rotationPeriod = 507760
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 2.14E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 354759000
   eccentricity = 0.000016
   inclination = 129.812
   meanAnomaly = 156.885
   period = 507760
   LAN = 73.989821
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 96.541318
   referenceBody = Laythe
  }
 }

 // Pluto = Dres
 Dres
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1153000
  rotationPeriod = 551856.672
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 119.591
  Mass = 1.305E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 5874000000000
   eccentricity = 0.244671664
   inclination = 17.151394
   meanAnomaly = 14.86012204
   period = 7816176000
   LAN = 110.28683
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 113.76349
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Charon = Pock
 Pock
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 603500
  rotationPeriod = 551856.672
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 119.591
  Mass = 1.52E+21
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 17536000
   eccentricity = 0.00
   inclination = 112.783
   meanAnomaly = 0
   period = 551856.672
   LAN = 223
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 0
   referenceBody = Dres
  }
 }




}

I couldn't find the J2000 mean anomalies of Ceres and Vesta but I imagine they're around somewhere. Also the J2000 mean anomalies, LAN and ArP of most of the moons are hard to find.

All the real planets with atmospheres are replaced by KSP planets with atmospheres, so you can use aerocapture/aerobraking anywhere you could in reality. I got a lot of textures from here.

It's too bad the Universe Replacer mod doesn't work with Planet Factory. Also, adding bump maps to planets seems to mess up their lighting (the planet day/night sides are at 90 degrees to the Sun). There seems to be a bug where if you look at a planet with clouds from far away, you see flickering black specks in its atmosphere. I'm not sure if that's because the cloud textures are too low resolution (1024x512) or something else.

Whoa, your sytem looks gorgeous! Would you mind sharing those bump maps and textures? Did you only overwrite then or did you make some tweaks? I'll borrow the AoP of some bodies for mine that are missing too, thanks in advance for the CODE section.

I also wanted to add Miranda to Uranus but I thought prioritizing Saturn over the Ice Giants was a more reasonable thing to do since the chance of i ever doing a semi-realistic mission to the outer solar system part is very small.

And why did you change Skelton witch ringle? Skelton looks A LOT lake iapteus, it has the same enormous mountain and polar caps.

Also, i would love to have a realistic replica of the Pluto binary system, with the barycenter outside of charon and plutom and + the 3 extra moons of the system, but since we donÃ‚Â´t have enough bodies for adding theses moons and pluto is so much far away and inaccessible in the first place, again it beats the purpose for having them for me.

Speaking of witch, i was wondering yesterday, if by simple coping and pasting the .bin files and texture and renaming them in the PF folder and adding the relative .cfg files in the RSS folder would create new effective bodies in the game, if that works it would be amazing to add all the moons i wanted to add for saturn uranus and neptune. I wonder what is inside PF's .bin files.

Edited November 21, 2013 by sephirotic

Sternface · November 21, 2013

I'm working on the surface attach bug right now for ST (both attaching to them, and attaching tanks/SRBs to decouplers).
Sternface: Nice! You might want to try with StretchySRB: you can have solids as big as you like for that missile, with custom thrust/burntime.
Also, you might want FASA: It has W88s and a MIRV bus.

Cool, I'll check it out thanks. I did use a liquid fuel first stage, even though they are supposed to be solid. The solid rockets have better exhaust effects anyways, so double bonus.

That is the W88 + MIRV bus btw. Interestingly, the RV required the spin-gas generators for stable reentry without tumbling. Not just for looks.

Sephirotic, I agree. My next project is making mine look like that. It's so weird seeing Dres the size of Saturn. However, it is really entertaining trying to orbit Saturn-sized Dres with the lowest eccentric Pe, or circular orbit possible. The velocity is insane when only a few hundred meters above the surface. Sometimes when you get too close tho, it starts to act weird with the ghost horizon.

li7in6 · November 21, 2013

I'm working on the surface attach bug right now for ST (both attaching to them, and attaching tanks/SRBs to decouplers).

Not sure if you're aware or if this is part of the bug but using forced surface attach mode with the editor extension mod for some liquid engine's (like KW) causes them to appear halfway clipped into the stretchy tank. This means you have to use cubic struts to get an engine cluster setup on the bottom of a tank. Not a big deal just thought you should know about it.

NathanKell · November 21, 2013

That's not a bug. If no node_attach is specified, the part center of mass is used as the surface attach node, and for KW engines the center of mass is, well, the center. If you're forcing on surface attach on a part with no surface attach node, it's going to surface attach at its center of mass.

Sternface: Doh! Clearly can't see. Sorry. It looked for some reason like an aerospike!

metaphor · November 21, 2013

Whoa, your sytem looks gorgeous! Would you mind sharing those bump maps and textures? Did you only overwrite then or did you make some tweaks? I'll borrow the AoP of some bodies for mine that are missing too, thanks in advance for the CODE section.
I also wanted to add Miranda to Uranus but I thought prioritizing Saturn over the Ice Giants was a more reasonable thing to do since the chance of i ever doing a semi-realistic mission to the outer solar system part is very small.
And why did you change Skelton witch ringle? Skelton looks A LOT lake iapteus, it has the same enormous mountain and polar caps.
Also, i would love to have a realistic replica of the Pluto binary system, with the barycenter outside of charon and plutom and + the 3 extra moons of the system, but since we donÃ‚Â´t have enough bodies for adding theses moons and pluto is so much far away and inaccessible in the first place, again it beats the purpose for having them for me.
Speaking of witch, i was wondering yesterday, if by simple coping and pasting the .bin files and texture and renaming them in the PF folder and adding the relative .cfg files in the RSS folder would create new effective bodies in the game, if that works it would be amazing to add all the moons i wanted to add for saturn uranus and neptune. I wonder what is inside PF's .bin files.

Thanks. Most of the textures I used are from that Celestia source I linked to. Vesta was from here (2/3 of the way down and the post after that). Ceres was just Ascension's texture mapped to Minmus since Ceres doesn't have a close-up texture.

I used Skelton for Uranus since it has an atmosphere which can be rescaled to be used for aerobraking/aerocapture. I don't know of any big mountain on Iapetus besides the equatorial ridge. And the ice caps are just part of the white half of the moon.

Pluto's barycenter being outside the planet doesn't really matter from Pluto's reference frame. The conic-patch system is still an excellent representation of its orbit. It's like the Earth-Moon barycenter being almost outside the Earth's surface, but we don't notice that even as far out as geostationary orbit.

It would be really nice to be able to add more moons. I think it should be possible to copy/paste planets since that's how Planet Factory came up with the new planets (copying and changing existing bodies), but not sure exactly how.

iVG · November 21, 2013

Solar panels are working now, Nathan. Loaded the game with the same craft (got the save point before leaving Kerbin SoI) - power is normal. Thanks.

BTW has anyone achieved re-entry with less than 7g acceleration of the crew. My record is 7.3. Periapsis was above 82 kilometres and still once you hit the thicker atmosphere the Gs go high. In this video they say Soyuz maximum g-load is 4G:

Is this because they use guided reentry, lifting the capsule until it slows down sufficiently or it's just because Kerbin atmosphere starts too low and doesn't slow the craft down enough at higher altitudes?

NathanKell · November 21, 2013

1. Yay!

2. Are you using the rescaled pods?

iVG · November 21, 2013

No, used the single seater stock landing can thing dont remember the name. Is the centre of mass of the rescaled pods shifted?

*fires up KSP*

ferram4 · November 21, 2013

@iVG: The reason your g loads are so high is because you're doing a ballistic reentry, as opposed to a lifting reentry; honestly, I'm surprised you could bring the gs down to 7.3. Soyuz, Apollo and pretty much any capsule more advanced than "can with human in it" has a slightly offset center of mass and does a lifting reentry. The current released version of FAR makes it difficult, but in my testing version, having put the mk1-2 capsule CoM offset by ~5cm, I was able to achieve this:

G-force maxed at about 4, mostly hands-off reentry. The offset CoM will be something players will have to add themselves, but the next version of FAR will make doing these reentries very easy.

As a note, the fuel fraction is because FAR thinks that ablative shielding is a type of fuel. I'll have to fix that.

NathanKell · November 21, 2013

Also, the rescaled pods have lower BCs, so you'll get higher drag force in the high atmosphere. Although IIRC higher BC doesn't mean lower Gs, just at a different altitude?

iVG · November 21, 2013

@iVG: The reason your g loads are so high is because you're doing a ballistic reentry, as opposed to a lifting reentry; honestly, I'm surprised you could bring the gs down to 7.3. Soyuz, Apollo and pretty much any capsule more advanced than "can with human in it" has a slightly offset center of mass and does a lifting reentry. The current released version of FAR makes it difficult, but in my testing version, having put the mk1-2 capsule CoM offset by ~5cm, I was able to achieve this:
G-force maxed at about 4, mostly hands-off reentry. The offset CoM will be something players will have to add themselves, but the next version of FAR will make doing these reentries very easy.
As a note, the fuel fraction is because FAR thinks that ablative shielding is a type of fuel. I'll have to fix that.

7.3, I'll take that as a compliment

Anyway, can we get these off-centre CoM pods? Please?

iVG · November 21, 2013

Also, the rescaled pods have lower BCs, so you'll get higher drag force in the high atmosphere. Although IIRC higher BC doesn't mean lower Gs, just at a different altitude?

With the rescaled pod (the big one) - 7.8 g's. Absolutely no control inside the atmosphere. Couldn't even stop it spinning

Sternface · November 21, 2013

7.3, I'll take that as a compliment
Anyway, can we get these off-centre CoM pods? Please?

Would infernal robotics work to create a de facto CoM shifter? Not sure if the program recognizes the attached part's location along the axis when figuring mass. I suppose this is easily tested.....(must. go. to. bed). You see, I have this strange problem where firing up KSP creates a space-time anomaly in my living room. It has a similar effect to chilling out with a beer around an event horizon. Time just flies for everything else but me.

Speaking of black holes..... Squad? .23?

ferram4 · November 21, 2013

A simpler way to do it would be a pair of radial decouplers and you only decouple one. I honestly don't want to have the CoM offset as a standard thing with FAR, since that will mess up so many people's crafts; you really need to design the orbital module below it to counteract the offset, and the optimal offset depends heavily on what's attached to the pod, otherwise it can tip too much and parachutes can get burned off. Of course, once you start designing things to be offset, there's no reason to stick with traditional symmetry anymore:

iVG · November 21, 2013

Don't... Pull... the cosmic string...

EDIT: To Sternface

Thesonicgalaxy · November 21, 2013

I used sephirotic's brilliant suggestion to include the Planet Factory planets, plus City Lights and Clouds and Universe Replacer:

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I used some slightly different settings:


REALSOLARSYSTEM
{
 // Note, bodies below MUST be in precedence order. Parents before children.
 // So Sun, then the planets, then the moons.
 Sun
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 696342000
  Mass = 1.9891E+30
 }

 // Mercury = Moho
 Moho
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2439700
  rotationPeriod = 5067031.68
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 2.11
  Mass = 3.3022E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 57909100000
   eccentricity = 0.20563
   inclination = 7.005
   meanAnomaly = 174.796
   period = 7600530.24
   LAN = 48.331
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 29.124
  }
 }

 // Venus = Eve
 Eve
 {
  SSTScale = 0.99868058647931
  Radius = 6051800
  rotationPeriod = 20996798.4
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 177.36
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 15.9
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 220000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 55
  GeeASL = 0.905
  Mass = 4.8676E+24
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 108208000000
   eccentricity = 0.0067
   inclination = 3.39458
   meanAnomaly = 50.115
   period = 19414166.4
   LAN = 76.678
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 55.186
  }
 }

 // Earth = Kerbin
 Kerbin
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 6371000
  rotationPeriod = 86164.1
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 23.44
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 7.5
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 104000
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 149598261000
   eccentricity = 0.01671123
   inclination = 0
   meanAnomaly = 357.51716
   period = 31558149.7635456
   LAN = 348.73936
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 114.20783
  }
  SSFStart = 78000
  SSFEnd = 80000
  PQSfadeStart = 80000
  PQSfadeEnd = 100000
  PQSSecfadeStart = 80000
  PQSSecfadeEnd = 100000
  PQSdeactivateAltitude = 105000
  PQS
  {
	  Kerbin
	  {
		PQSMod_VertexSimplexHeightAbsolute // doubles
		{
			deformity = 1000 // 485
			persistence = 0.7 // 0.60000002384185791
			frequency = 36 //12 // 24
		}
		PQSMod_VertexHeightNoiseVertHeightCurve2 // floats
		{
			deformity = 6000 // 4000
			ridgedAddFrequency = 48 // 48
			ridgedSubFrequency = 32 // 32
			//ridgedAddOctaves = 8 // 6 INT
			simplexHeightStart = 400 // 800
			simplexHeightEnd = 7000 // 4600

		}
		PQSMod_VertexRidgedAltitudeCurve // floats
		{
			deformity = 1800 //1100 // 750
			ridgedAddFrequency = 140 // 25 // 140
			//ridgedAddOctaves = 8 // 3 INT
		}
		PQSMod_VertexHeightMap // doubles
		{
			heightMapDeformity = 7000 // 5000
		}
		PQSMod_AltitudeAlpha // doubles
		{
			atmosphereDepth = 6000 // 4000
		}
		PQSCity
		{
			KEYname = KSC
			repositionRadial = 158200.0, -220.0, -570000.0
			lodvisibleRangeMult = 6
		}
	  }
	  KerbinOcean
	  {
		PQSMod_AerialPerspectiveMaterial // floats
		{
			atmosphereDepth = 7500 // 5000, scale height in m
		}
	  }
	}
	//Export
	//{
		//resolution = 8192
		//maxHeight = 12000
		//oceanColor = 0.1255, 0.22353, 0.35683
	//}
 }

 // Moon = Mun
 Mun
 {
  SSTScale = 0.9832
  Radius = 1737100
  rotationPeriod = 2360584.68479999
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 1.5424
  GeeASL = 0.1654
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 384399000
   eccentricity = 0.0549
   inclination = 5.145 //5.145 to ecliptic; 23.435 avg to Earth's equator (+-5.145)
   period = 2360584.68479999
  }
  SSFStart = 170000
  SSFEnd = 175000
  PQSfadeStart = 170000
  PQSfadeEnd = 175000
  PQSdeactivateAltitude = 180000
  PQS
  {
	Mun
	{
		PQSMod_VertexHeightMap
		{
			heightMapDeformity = 9500 //7500
		}
		PQSMod_VertexSimplexHeight // doubles
		{
			deformity = 1200 // 400
			persistence = 0.7 //0.5
			frequency = 1 // 12
			//octaves = 10 // 8 // A DOUBLE
		}
		PQSMod_VertexHeightNoiseVertHeight // floats
		{
			deformity = 1200 // 400
			frequency = 12 // 12
			//octaves = 7 // 6 // INT
		}
		PQSMod_VoronoiCraters
		{
			KEYvoronoiSeed = 462
			deformation = 600 //200
			//voronoiFrequency = 100 //50
		}
	  }
	}
 }

 // Mars = Duna
 Duna
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 3396200
  rotationPeriod = 88642.6848
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 25.19
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 11.1
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 154000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.02
  GeeASL = 0.379
  Mass = 6.4185E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 227939100000
   eccentricity = 0.093315
   inclination = 1.85
   meanAnomaly = 19.3564
   period = 59354294.4
   LAN = 49.562
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 286.537
  }
 }

 // Phobos = Bop
 Bop
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 6100
  tidallyLocked = true
  Mass = 10720000000000000
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 9377200
   eccentricity = 0.0151
   inclination = 26.04
   period = 27553.843872
   LAN = 0
   referenceBody = Duna
  }
 }

 // Deimos = Gilly
 Gilly
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 4200
  rotationPeriod = 109074.816
  tidallyLocked = false
  Mass = 1480000000000000
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 23460000
   eccentricity = 0.0002
   inclination = 27.58
   period = 109074.816
   LAN = 0
   referenceBody = Duna
  }
 }

 // Vesta = Inaccessable
 Inaccessable
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 223200
  rotationPeriod = 19233
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 3
  Mass = 2.591E+20
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 353268000000
   eccentricity = 0.08862
   inclination = 7.134
   meanAnomaly = 307.8
   period = 114553440
   LAN = 103.91
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 149.84
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Ceres = Minmus
 Minmus
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 487300
  rotationPeriod = 32668
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 3
  Mass = 9.43E+20
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 413690604000
   eccentricity = 0.079138
   inclination = 10.587
   meanAnomaly = 113.410
   period = 145123488
   LAN = 80.3932
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 72.5898
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Jupiter = Jool
 Jool
 {
  SSTScale = 0.9999
  Radius = 69911000
  rotationPeriod = 35730
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 3.13
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 27
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 374000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.13
  Mass = 1.8986E+27
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 778547200000
   eccentricity = 0.048775
   inclination = 1.305
   meanAnomaly = 18.818
   period = 374335776
   LAN = 100.492
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 275.066
  }
 }

 // Io = Pol
 Pol
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1821300
  tidallyLocked = true
  Mass = 8.9319E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 421800000
   eccentricity = 0.0041
   inclination = 2.21
   period = 152853.5047104
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Europa = Eeloo
 Eeloo
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1560800
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0.1
  Mass = 4.7998E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 671100000
   eccentricity = 0.009
   inclination = 0.47
   period = 306822.0384
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Ganymede = Tylo
 Tylo
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2634100
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0.2
  Mass = 1.4819E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1070400000
   eccentricity = 0.0013
   inclination = 0.2
   period = 618153.375744
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Callisto = Ike
 Ike
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2410300
  tidallyLocked = true
  Mass = 1.075938E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1882700000
   eccentricity = 0.0074
   inclination = 0.192
   period = 1441931.18976
   referenceBody = Jool
  }
 }

 // Saturn = Sentar
 Sentar
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 60268000
  rotationPeriod = 38052
  tidallyLocked = false
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 59.5
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 800000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.16
  Mass = 5.6846E+26
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1433449370000
   eccentricity = 0.055723219
   inclination = 2.485
   meanAnomaly = 320.34675
   period = 929596608
   LAN = 113.642811
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 336.013862
  }
 }

 // Mimas = 

 // Enceladus = Vall
 Vall
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 252100
  rotationPeriod = 118386
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 1.080E+20
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 237948000
   eccentricity = 0.0047
   inclination = 0.019
   period = 118386
   LAN = 0
   referenceBody = Sentar
  }
 }

 // Tethys = 

 // Dione = 

 // Rhea = 

 // Titan = Erin
 Erin
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 2576000
  rotationPeriod = 1377648
  tidallyLocked = true
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 40
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 520000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 4.5
  Mass = 1.3452E+23
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 1221870000
   eccentricity = 0.0288
   inclination = 0.34854
   period = 1377648
   referenceBody = Sentar
  }
 }

 // Iapetus = Ringle
 Ringle
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1492000
  rotationPeriod = 6853334.4
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 1.8056E+21
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 3560820000
   eccentricity = 0.028612
   inclination = 15.47
   meanAnomaly = 90
   period = 6853334.4
   LAN = 0
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 179
   referenceBody = Sentar
  }
 }

 // Uranus = Skelton
 Skelton
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 25559000
  rotationPeriod = 62063.712
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 97.77
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 27.7
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 390000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.34
  Mass = 8.681E+25
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 2876679082000
   eccentricity = 0.04440558
   inclination = 0.772556
   meanAnomaly = 142.955717
   period = 2661041808
   LAN = 73.989821
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 96.541318
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Puck = 

 // Miranda = Ablate
 Ablate
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 235800
  rotationPeriod = 122125
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 6.59E+19
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 129390000
   eccentricity = 0.0013
   inclination = 93.5
   meanAnomaly = 90
   period = 122125
   LAN = 0
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 179
   referenceBody = Skelton
  }
 }

 // Ariel = 

 // Umbriel = 

 // Titania = Thud
 Thud
 {
  Radius = 788400
  rotationPeriod = 752218
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 3.527E+21
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 435910000
   eccentricity = 0.0011
   inclination = 97.4
   meanAnomaly = 0
   period = 752218
   LAN = 0
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 0
   referenceBody = Skelton
  }
 }

 // Oberon = 

 // Neptune = Laythe
 Laythe
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 24764000
  rotationPeriod = 58000.3
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 28.32
  atmosphereScaleHeight = 19.7
  maxAtmosphereAltitude = 260000
  atmosphereMultiplier = 0.37
  Mass = 1.0243E+26
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 4553946490000
   eccentricity = 0.011214269
   inclination = 1.767975
   meanAnomaly = 267.767281
   period = 5200418592
   LAN = 131.794310
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 265.646853
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Triton = Ascension
 Ascension
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1353400
  rotationPeriod = 507760
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 0
  Mass = 2.14E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 354759000
   eccentricity = 0.000016
   inclination = 129.812
   meanAnomaly = 156.885
   period = 507760
   LAN = 73.989821
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 96.541318
   referenceBody = Laythe
  }
 }

 // Pluto = Dres
 Dres
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 1153000
  rotationPeriod = 551856.672
  tidallyLocked = false
  axialTilt = 119.591
  Mass = 1.305E+22
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 5874000000000
   eccentricity = 0.244671664
   inclination = 17.151394
   meanAnomaly = 14.86012204
   period = 7816176000
   LAN = 110.28683
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 113.76349
   referenceBody = Sun
  }
 }

 // Charon = Pock
 Pock
 {
  SSTScale = 1
  Radius = 603500
  rotationPeriod = 551856.672
  tidallyLocked = true
  axialTilt = 119.591
  Mass = 1.52E+21
  Orbit
  {
   semiMajorAxis = 17536000
   eccentricity = 0.00
   inclination = 112.783
   meanAnomaly = 0
   period = 551856.672
   LAN = 223
   argumentOfPeriapsis = 0
   referenceBody = Dres
  }
 }




}

I couldn't find the J2000 mean anomalies of Ceres and Vesta but I imagine they're around somewhere. Also the J2000 mean anomalies, LAN and ArP of most of the moons are hard to find.

All the real planets with atmospheres are replaced by KSP planets with atmospheres, so you can use aerocapture/aerobraking anywhere you could in reality. I got a lot of textures from here.

It's too bad the Universe Replacer mod doesn't work with Planet Factory. Also, adding bump maps to planets seems to mess up their lighting (the planet day/night sides are at 90 degrees to the Sun). There seems to be a bug where if you look at a planet with clouds from far away, you see flickering black specks in its atmosphere. I'm not sure if that's because the cloud textures are too low resolution (1024x512) or something else.

How did you change the atmosphere's colors? I really wanna make the other planets actually look the part, instead of some mutant half purple half yellow eve.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Thesonicgalaxy

Sternface · November 21, 2013

A simpler way to do it would be a pair of radial decouplers and you only decouple one. I honestly don't want to have the CoM offset as a standard thing with FAR, since that will mess up so many people's crafts; you really need to design the orbital module below it to counteract the offset, and the optimal offset depends heavily on what's attached to the pod, otherwise it can tip too much and parachutes can get burned off. Of course, once you start designing things to be offset, there's no reason to stick with traditional symmetry anymore:

Hmm, I'll try that out. I do like the idea of an 'analog' CoM shifter though, like in the Ravenstar from Orbiter. I use the fuel tanks for this when I need too, but by the time I am done my SSTO is liable to have turned into a graveyard spiral from not paying attention. On the subject of death spirals, one thing I really like about your FAR is that it seems to create a coffin corner in the flight envelope which is different for every craft.

Starwaster · November 21, 2013

How did you change the atmosphere's colors? I really wanna make the other planets actually look the part, instead of some mutant half purple half yellow eve.

KSP has atmospheric handlers that you can change properties on through code. RSS will have that soon.

Thesonicgalaxy · November 21, 2013

KSP has atmospheric handlers that you can change properties on through code. RSS will have that soon.

Cool! Though, will this mod ever be able to re do the whole planets or will we just have to settle with having it look different on the outside than it does the inside?

[1.2] Real Solar System v12.0 Dec 8

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