[1.8+] Real Fuels

RickKermen · June 16, 2015

I am having trouble loading into KSP with the newest RealFuels version (checked that it is RealFuels by uninstalling the mod and KSP worked fine). I am also using the Stock configs for RF.

Here's the error from the output_log.txt:


NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at RealFuels.ModuleEngineConfigs.UnlockedConfig (.ConfigNode config, .Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at RealFuels.ModuleEngineConfigs.SetConfiguration (System.String newConfiguration, Boolean resetTechLevels) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at RealFuels.ModuleEngineConfigs.OnStart (StartState state) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at Part.ModulesOnStart () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at Part+.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

(Filename:  Line: -1)

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at FlightGlobals.get_Vessels () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at ModuleDockingNode.FindNodeApproaches () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at ModuleDockingNode.<SetupFSM>m__155 () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at KerbalFSM.FixedUpdateFSM () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at ModuleDockingNode.FixedUpdate () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

(Filename:  Line: -1)

I was also having trouble on loading, please check if you have the "CommunityResourcePack" folder in your GameData, it solved my problem.

NathanKell · June 16, 2015

Changelog:

v10.3.1

* Readme update,

* Fixed an NRE that killed loading under certain circumstances.

* Do a better search for which engines are on a ship.

ebigunso · June 16, 2015

ebigunso: First please uninstall ModuleRCSFX, then install the absolute latest version from the repo
https://github.com/NathanKell/ModuleRCSFX
If that still doesn't help, please post your output_log.txt (or player.log for OSX/linux). Note, NOT ksp.log.
If you don't know where to find it, go here: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/92229-How-To-Get-Support-%28READ-FIRST%29

That fixed it

Thanks. I checked and it was v3.4, idk where that snuck in from :S

blub01 · June 17, 2015

I'm having issues using RO, all in any way suggested mods, and the win64bit community hack. realfuels won't work for me, it displays a tank utilization of -1%, tells me it can't find different tank types, doesn't show the button for the UI, and tanks have LFO in them.

regex · June 17, 2015

win64bit community hack.

That's unsupported by Real Fuels. You might want to switch over to Linux x64 or Win 32.

mkrco · June 18, 2015

Hi, I'm getting back to ksp after a while, and would like to install KSPI along with realism overhaul. However, CKAN won't allow me to install KSPI Extended once RO is already installed. I suspect that it's an incompatibility with Real Fuels. When I installed RO, it did install Interstellar Fuel Switch Core. But KSPI Extended requires Interstellar Fuel Switch which CKAN won't let me install once RealFuels is installed. Can I get around this? Is there an actual incompatibility, or is this just a CKAN problem?

regex · June 18, 2015

It's an incompatibility. Basically the two mods are fighting for control over your fuel tanks.

mkrco · June 18, 2015

It's an incompatibility. Basically the two mods are fighting for control over your fuel tanks.

Is there any way around it? I always liked using RO with KSPI

undercoveryankee · June 18, 2015

Is there any way around it? I always liked using RO with KSPI

I could do it by letting CKAN install RO, then manually installing KSPI-E and IFS, then hand-editing ModuleManager patches to fix any tanks that are getting both RealFuels and IFS modules.

Fixing the conflict would involve pull requests to IFS, KSPI-E, and/or CKAN. I can't be more specific without testing first. Someone with prior ModuleManager and CKAN experience could probably fix the conflict in an afternoon.

regex · June 18, 2015

Fixing the conflict would involve pull requests to IFS, KSPI-E, and/or CKAN. I can't be more specific without testing first. Someone with prior ModuleManager and CKAN experience could probably fix the conflict in an afternoon.

Should be easily doable with some NEEDS clauses but I don't imagine either mod wants to take responsibility for that, although IMO it belongs in KSPI-E because it involves stomping on KSPI-E's configs.

The following should do the trick on any Interstellar Fuel Switch tank:

:NEEDS[!RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]

Edited June 18, 2015 by regex

mkrco · June 19, 2015

Should be easily doable with some NEEDS clauses but I don't imagine either mod wants to take responsibility for that, although IMO it belongs in KSPI-E because it involves stomping on KSPI-E's configs.
The following should do the trick on any Interstellar Fuel Switch tank:
:NEEDS[!RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]

Thanks for the replies undercoveryankee, and regex. I'm not THAT familiar with modulemanager, so I'm not sure where exactly to apply that NEEDS line. If you'd be kind enough to give me a specific example for one tank, I'd be happy to apply it to all the tanks and then share the fix with others. Part of the problem is that with fuelswitch, all the .cfg files are empty (0-bytes) except for two parts files. Should I make a separate .cfg file, or are those two parts the only ones that need to be modified?

EDIT: I also noticed that if I manually install KSPI-E over RO, the VAB seems to slow down noticeably, and all the command pods have hundreds of Rad Hardness lines attached to them in the VAB descriptions. Like right-clicking on the Mk1 results in about 200 "Rad Hardness:6.00" lines in the description.

I'm going to post this in the KSPI-E thread as well to see if they might be able to provide some insight.

Edited June 19, 2015 by mkrco

Starwaster · June 19, 2015

Wait, guys no. Module Manager patches aren't going to do anything to or for CKAN. If you install something manually, CKAN can't install that mod over your manual installation. And if that mod is a dependency for another mod (as FuelSwitch is for Interstellar) then you can't install that mod either.

The most likely solution is to delete [your manual installation of] FuelSwitch completely, THEN install KSPI Extended.

mkrco · June 19, 2015

Here's a copy of a post I placed in KSPI-E thread below. Is this what you meant by the NEEDS line? Because somehow it seems to have worked. At least in got my framerate up, and with a couple of initial tests the engines seem to be behaving normally.

I think I've made some progress in getting KSPI-E and RO to work together, but I'm not all the way there yet. This is all on 64-bit Linux btw.

First I did a clean install with just RO and dependencies installed through CKAN, I got ~50 fps at KSC

Then I did a clean install with just KSPI-E and dependencies installed through CKAN, I got ~50 fps at KSC

Then I did a clean install with RO through CKAN, and KSPI-E installed manually, and I dropped to ~25 fps at KSC

But then I modified KSPI-E's RealfuelsFix.cfg to look like in the quotes below, and my fps jumped back up to ~50 fps.

I ran some quick tests, and it appears that all the engines, and fuel tanks are operating normally.

The remaining problem is that the command pods each have a couple of hundred entries for Rad Hardness, which makes them unusable since when you right-click on one in flight the entire dialog is filled with Rad Hardness instead of options for crew reports, etc. So, any ideas about where the Rad Hardness entries might be coming from and how I might remove them?

//Interstellar-RealFuels configs
@WARP_PLUGIN_SETTINGS
[*]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@HydrogenPeroxideResourceName = HTP //H2Peroxide
}
@TANK_DEFINITION
[*]:NEEDS[RealFuels,!ThunderAerospace]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Adds KSPI Water if TACLS is not present
{
name = Water
mass = 0.000012
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[serviceModule,Fuselage,Jet,Xenon]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]:Final
{
TANK //Add ArgonGas to all pressurized tanks. Values are based off of XenonGas.
{
name = ArgonGas
mass = 0.000095
utilization = 100
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
note = (pressurized)
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[Cryogenic,BalloonCryo]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Add LqdCO2 to Cryogenic tanks.
{
name = LqdCO2
mass = 0.00006
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -56
loss_rate = 0.000000000006
note = (has insulation, pressurized)
}
TANK //Add LiquidNitrogen to Cryogenic tanks. Values are based off of LqdOxygen.
{
name = LqdNitrogen
mass = 0.0000112
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -183
loss_rate = 0.00000000002
note = (has insulation)
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[serviceModule,Fuselage]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Add LiquidCO2 to ServiceModule and Fuselage tanks.
{
name = LqdCO2
mass = 0.00008
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -56
loss_rate = 0.000000000006
note = (has insulation, pressurized)
}
TANK //Add LiquidNitrogen to ServiceModule and Fuselage tanks. Values are based off of LqdOxygen.
{
name = LqdNitrogen
mass = 0.00008
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -183
loss_rate = 0.00000000002
note = (has insulation, pressurized)
}
}
@TANK_DEFINITION[Default,Balloon]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
TANK //Add LiquidCO2 to standard tanks.
{
name = LqdCO2
mass = 0.000062
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -56
loss_rate = 0.000000002
note = (lacks insulation, pressurized)
}
TANK //Add LqdNitrogen to standard tanks. Values are based off of LqdOxygen.
{
name = LqdNitrogen
mass = 0.000014
utilization = 1
fillable = True
amount = 0.0
maxAmount = 0.0
temperature = -183
loss_rate = 0.00000001
note = (lacks insulation)
}
}
//Part catch-all updates
@PART
[*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[H2Peroxide]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@RESOURCE[H2Peroxide]
{
@name = HTP
}
}
//Resource Definition updates
@OCEANIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[Ammonia]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = LqdAmmonia
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[Ammonia]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = LqdAmmonia
}
@OCEANIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[H2Peroxide]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = HTP
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION
[*]:HAS[#resourceName[H2Peroxide]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@resourceName = HTP
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_PACK_DEFINITION[interstellarAtmosphericPack]:FINAL:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[KerbinOxygen]
{
resourceName = LqdOxygen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[KerbinHydrogen]
{
resourceName = LqdHydrogen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[JoolHydrogen]
{
resourceName = LqdHydrogen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[LaytheOxygen]
{
resourceName = LqdOxygen
}
@ATMOSPHERIC_RESOURCE_DEFINITION[DunaOxygen]
{
resourceName = LqdOxygen
}
}
//Remove duplicate entry for LqdMethane
!RESOURCE_DEFINITION[LqdMethane]:HAS[#density[0.00186456]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@density = 0.00042262
}
//Specific part fixes
@PART[FNMethaneTank*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[LqdMethane],@RESOURCE[Oxidizer],!MODULE[ModuleFuelTanks]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
temp = 0
volume = 0
type = Cryogenic
@temp = #$../RESOURCE[LqdMethane]/maxAmount$
@temp *= 4.412
@volume = #$temp$
@temp = #$../RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$
@temp *= 5
@volume += #$temp$
!temp = 0
}
!RESOURCE[LqdMethane] {}
!RESOURCE[Oxidizer] {}
}
@PART
[*]:HAS[@MODULE[FNModuleResourceExtraction]]:NEEDS[RealFuels]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
@MODULE[FNModuleResourceExtraction]:HAS[#resourceName[Ammonia]]
{
@resourceName = LqdAmmonia
}
}
//Make ISRU refinery tanks insulated and modular
@PART[FNRefinery]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
volume = 1750
type = Cryogenic
}
}
@PART[FNInlineRefinery]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
volume = 1750
type = Cryogenic
}
}
@PART[FNInlineRefineryLarge]:NEEDS[RealFuels&!ModularFuelSystem]:FOR[WarpPlugin]
{
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelTanks
volume = 11000
type = Cryogenic
}
}

Edited June 19, 2015 by mkrco

LividPumpkin · June 19, 2015

i didn't understand my RCS engines won't work what to do ? any help ?

ebigunso · June 19, 2015

ebigunso: First please uninstall ModuleRCSFX, then install the absolute latest version from the repo
https://github.com/NathanKell/ModuleRCSFX
If that still doesn't help, please post your output_log.txt (or player.log for OSX/linux). Note, NOT ksp.log.
If you don't know where to find it, go here: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/92229-How-To-Get-Support-%28READ-FIRST%29

This worked for me. Try looking to see if your ModuleRCSFX is up to date.

- - - Updated - - -

I have an idea for fixing the current OPness of baloon and balooncryo tanks. What if you restrict it's selection by tech research? Surely the technology was not there in the 50s and 60s was it?

Ralathon · June 19, 2015

i didn't understand my RCS engines won't work what to do ? any help ?

Make sure your RCS has the correct fuel enabled and there's fuel crossfeed towards the thrusters.

NathanKell · June 19, 2015

ebigunso: Yep, RP-0 does that, along with making them expensive. However, the tech most certainly was there: Atlas (the first US ICBM and first US >1ton launch vehicle) was the exemplar.

LividPumpkin · June 20, 2015

The RCS thrusters can use different kinds of fuel and i put the correct one every time but i don't know what do you mean by Crossfeed can you help me understand the way i can do it ?

NathanKell · June 20, 2015

You know how you need to place radial engines only in certain places, or otherwise they won't get fuel?

Same thing for RCS now.

If a radial engine wouldn't get fuel when placed there, neither will your RCS.

LividPumpkin · June 20, 2015

i place my RCS thrusters on the RCS Fuel Tank

Edited June 20, 2015 by LividPumpkin

Starwaster · June 20, 2015

i place my RCS thrusters on the RCS Fuel Tank
file:///C:/Users/fadi/Desktop/Kerbal%20Space%20Program%20Games/Kerbal%20Space%20Program%20-%20RSS/Screenshots/screenshot0.png
file:///C:/Users/fadi/Desktop/Kerbal%20Space%20Program%20Games/Kerbal%20Space%20Program%20-%20RSS/Screenshots/screenshot1.png
file:///C:/Users/fadi/Desktop/Kerbal%20Space%20Program%20Games/Kerbal%20Space%20Program%20-%20RSS/Screenshots/screenshot2.png
That what i mean i keep pressing keys to run my RCS but nothing happens

Look at those URLs. You're trying to link us to something local on your own computer. That won't work.

You need to host them somewhere like http://imgur.com

LividPumpkin · June 20, 2015

oops sorry i didn't notice so ok i have added the fuel and then added the correct configs to the RCS thrusters but when i try them on the pad (pressing on the keys) nothing happens

NOTE :- iam using RFStockalike config pack

Edited June 20, 2015 by LividPumpkin

Starwaster · June 20, 2015

oops sorry i didn't notice so ok i have added the fuel and then added the correct configs to the RCS thrusters but when i try them on the pad (pressing on the keys) nothing happens
http://i.imgur.com/wt1Jpbj.png
http://i.imgur.com/13u6fqk.png
NOTE :- iam using RFStockalike config pack

Where did you get RCSFX from? Did you download it from here as advised? https://github.com/NathanKell/ModuleRCSFX

(first deleting the one you have then installing)

LividPumpkin · June 21, 2015

i just got it from RF Stockalike config pack

LividPumpkin · June 21, 2015

Oh Thanks i got it working i installed and replaced the new ModuleRCSFX from this link and i got it working thnx

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