[WIP] CrossOver Packs (Release 0.2) - B9 all the things!

[AntiMatter001]

PolecatEZ I think you and blackheart612 should join up and create one big re-texture pack with texture switcher capability for everything.

i second this to my fullest! being able to swap from B9 to KW would be GREAT!

[PolecatEZ]

All it would take to merge them would be to combine the modulemanager file so the FirespitterTextureSwitcher doesn't become too spammy. I'd be happy to do this. If Blackheart (or anyone else) wants to come up with a file-tree scheme I'd be happy to follow that also.

I messed around with some more fuel tanks today and couldn't really come up with anything that thrilled me...just dreading tackling that Apache cockpit without a UV map.

Discovered a very interesting config setting regarding wings...namely that if I want to undercoat the wings, I don't need to make separate right/left textures for them.

mirrorRefAxis = 0, 0, -1

Once I get a few more textures knocked out, I'll start playing with a master .cfg for modmanager then release an alpha. I'll also be including some B9 and Squad fixes such as landing gear wobbliness and some annoying node offset errors.

Just so I don't miss anything big/obvious/dumb:

...is there anything in Squad parts that people find hard to match with B9?

...should I touch some/all of the engines?

...should I touch Mk3 parts?

Edited March 24, 2014 by PolecatEZ

[AntiMatter001]

All it would take to merge them would be to combine the modulemanager file so the FirespitterTextureSwitcher doesn't become too spammy. I'd be happy to do this. If Blackheart (or anyone else) wants to come up with a file-tree scheme I'd be happy to follow that also.

I messed around with some more fuel tanks today and couldn't really come up with anything that thrilled me...just dreading tackling that Apache cockpit without a UV map.

Discovered a very interesting config setting regarding wings...namely that if I want to undercoat the wings, I don't need to make separate right/left textures for them.

Once I get a few more textures knocked out, I'll start playing with a master .cfg for modmanager then release an alpha. I'll also be including some B9 and Squad fixes such as landing gear wobbliness and some annoying node offset errors.

Just so I don't miss anything big/obvious/dumb:

...is there anything in Squad parts that people find hard to match with B9?

...should I touch some/all of the engines?

...should I touch Mk3 parts?

yes yes and uhhhh.... yes?

i think your really good at making B9 like textures and i'd love an alpha O.O also if you include a fix for gear wobble will that interfear with fixes people have already put on?

[blackheart612]

If Blackheart (or anyone else) wants to come up with a file-tree scheme I'd be happy to follow that also.

Didnt quite understand this

I messed around with some more fuel tanks today and couldn't really come up with anything that thrilled me...just dreading tackling that Apache cockpit without a UV map.

Guesstimating edges and making even boxes all through out the texture with different numbers and letters would help

Discovered a very interesting config setting regarding wings...namely that if I want to undercoat the wings, I don't need to make separate right/left textures for them.

Is it working? It doesn't flip the wing? Cause I got a feeling it would flip the wing.

[PolecatEZ]

Didnt quite understand this

One common folder in the gamedata, separated by a) what it modifies? or who made it?

Guesstimating edges and making even boxes all through out the texture with different numbers and letters would help

Been there, done that twice. some of the parts are so finely spread around others its hard to judge exactly where one starts and another ends. Its a tedious process I already did with the bomber cockpit, and the apache one is, I think, actually worse.

Is it working? It doesn't flip the wing? Cause I got a feeling it would flip the wing.

Works like a charm. Its supposed to flip the wing so top is always top and bottom is always bottom, regardless of left or right.

i think your really good at making B9 like textures and i'd love an alpha O.O also if you include a fix for gear wobble will that interfear with fixes people have already put on?

I haven't actually seen anyone put out a fix for the gear wobble, just list how to do it in a forum post. Even if so, doing another override for the affected stats with mod-manager shouldn't hurt anything.

Edited March 24, 2014 by PolecatEZ

[blackheart612]

How about, at this phase, you work on SPH things and I work on VAB things? That way, we can spread the work load. I mean B9 are mostly SPH and KW are VAB. I'll see what I can do with the 'tree' folder once I am gonna release a alpha far away in the future.

Edited March 26, 2014 by blackheart612

[Space_Kraken]

Looks great, might download when the alpha comes out.

[BudgetHedgehog]

Oh my... with PoleCat and blackheart working together on a FSTexture switcheroo with KW and B9, I don't think my install could handle such awesomeness!

[BananaDealer]

Hmmm... Not bad, definitely interesting. Too bad I'm already running KSP with too much clutter that I can't really be bothered to clear out...

[CaptainKipard]

Polecat and Blackheart when you're ready to release your texture packs could you give us an option to easily *replace* the default textures completely. I can't imagine why I would ever use stock textures again, and I don't want them to be loaded into memory at all.

[blackheart612]

Why don't we just merge threads? lol

[PolecatEZ]

Polecat and Blackheart when you're ready to release your texture packs could you give us an option to easily *replace* the default textures completely. I can't imagine why I would ever use stock textures again, and I don't want them to be loaded into memory at all.

I'm working on that, as well as a way to merge B9 parts in such a way you can cut out about 60-70 items from the catalog (but still keep most of the stuff, just use fuel mod and texture switching).

I have run into some issue with ModManager in this regard, switching out the default texture can also randomly break other aspects of the part...such as the lift rating on wings(?!?). This was my project these last two nights was working on the .cfgs to make everything work. I'm at about 70% on finished textures for what I have planned, when I get the MM .cfgs worked out I'll try to push out an alpha.

[CaptainKipard]

How about arranging and naming your files in such a way that the textures overwrite existing textures.

[Tidus Klein]

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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

downloading NOW!

EDIT

THERE IS NO DOWNLOAD???!

CURSE YOU CRUEL WORLD!!

Edited March 27, 2014 by Tidus Klein

[BudgetHedgehog]

The trouble with replacing stock textures entirely is that it's not future-proof and any updates (or Steams file verification) will re-install them.

(I had that with the Squad Texture Reduction pack - replaces stock textures, next time I verify files, boom, all back to what they were)

[blackheart612]

If there is a way for textures not to be loaded.... anyways. If it's a png/tga, it dont need to replace, it uses those instead of mbm so really, no need to replace and get updated. BUT I think it gets loaded with the game.

[BudgetHedgehog]

Maybe contact the dev of Active Texture management? The latest release loads the compressed files before the game does - maybe it can tell the game to skip them instead of loading them? I dunno how feasible that is though.

[blackheart612]

Great idea. We will see if it is possible.

[BudgetHedgehog]

Ah, here we go, a link

Pre-loads textures, then KSP loads the compressed ones. Fingers crossed for progress!

[CaptainKipard]

The trouble with replacing stock textures entirely is that it's not future-proof and any updates (or Steams file verification) will re-install them.

(I had that with the Squad Texture Reduction pack - replaces stock textures, next time I verify files, boom, all back to what they were)

That's exactly why I set KSP not to be updated.

If there is a way for textures not to be loaded.... anyways. If it's a png/tga, it dont need to replace, it uses those instead of mbm so really, no need to replace and get updated. BUT I think it gets loaded with the game.

I just checked and all textures in GameData are loaded even if there's no reference to them in the config files or the model files.

[blackheart612]

Another solution would be to make a 1 pixel mbm. so that it's to the minimum. Then the mod textures take over.

[PolecatEZ]

The "update thing" is why I'm using ModManager this time instead of a seek-overwrite .bat script. It was a clumsy implementation before with the reduction pack, but then we got the active texture management and all is well. I'll try to get an MM version of the IVA consolidation. The only thing I can think for now is that if you don't want a texture loaded, just erase it. It will show up bright white in the catalog, but when you use it you can use FS TS to set a better texture. 64-bit is "Coming Soon " then RAM limits will be a moot point in most cases, unless you're still running this on your Tandy 1000SX.

Question, I have 2 "stock game" options with the Pre-Cooler models for B9:

1) Just another round fuel-tank model. Actually much needed, as B9 doesn't have any round ones on 2.5m+ scale.

2) Some kind of air-compressor object that burns a little fuel/electricity to give a multiplier on intake air (say 1.1 or 1.2). This will allow you to get another 3-5km up in the atmosphere before flame-out, but won't do much good at lower altitudes.

Edited March 27, 2014 by PolecatEZ

[CaptainKipard]

Another solution would be to make a 1 pixel mbm. so that it's to the minimum. Then the mod textures take over.

I don't get it.

The "update thing" is why I'm using ModManager this time instead of a seek-overwrite .bat script. It was a clumsy implementation before with the reduction pack, but then we got the active texture management and all is well. I'll try to get an MM version of the IVA consolidation. The only thing I can think for now is that if you don't want a texture loaded, just erase it.

A bat script is not necessary. You can just have your texture packs follow the same directory structure and texture file names as the Squad folder has. People aren't all stupid; they can follow instructions. If you tell them that an overwrite option requires updates to be disabled and tell them not to verify the file cache, they'll understand.

[BudgetHedgehog]

If you tell them that an overwrite option requires updates to be disabled and tell them not to verify the file cache, they'll understand.

... and then be left with a game they can neither update or fix if they do something wrong with another mod that breaks it. Unless they re-install this, obviously, but I don't think many people will want to.

[blackheart612]

Keep the mbm size to the minimum so that it wont need too much memory even if it loads? XD