Master Thread: Unresponsive Kerbals in EVA

[Iansoreta]

Kerbal save file structure.

...snip...

I have no problem with anything except kerbal frozen on the ground while performing EVA and I'm not sure if this will also happen in space. Your tips have helped everyone including me anyway.

Edited July 13, 2014 by Claw
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[Claw]

Your tips have helped everyone including me anyway.

Excellent!

I'm glad I could help you rescue your kerbals. It makes me happy every time one of those guys gets to come home!

[fjdkf]

Hello, I built my first rovers and sent them to minmus. Within a few minutes, I managed to have all 5 kerbals thrown from their seats, and labled as debris... There's even one group of three them standing basically hand-in-hand on the ground. It's mentioned in the OP to leave a save file here if it glitches out, so here it is. No, there are no mods, and yes it's the newest version(only bought the game a couple weeks ago).

I think I'll just never use command seats in rovers from now on... my driving is pretty rough.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-PoarUHgkhMNkFLZnFFQnZUNU0/edit?usp=sharing

You don't have to help me get them back(I'll just recruit new ones), but maybe the save will be useful when fixing the problem.

[Roastduck]

EDIT: nevermind. wasn't a bug.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Roastduck

[Zolana]

You're a hero, Bob Kerman has been saved!

[Claw]

You're a hero, Bob Kerman has been saved!

Fantastic!

I'm sorry this is still happening, but I'm glad to know the fix is still working.

Cheers,

~Claw

[Djedusina]

to 1 meter higher and the kerbal was free again.

Oh, thanks for the extra info!

I'm actually surprised your guy didn't disappear. This seems to be slightly different, as the game is listing him on a suborbital trajectory (instead of landed).

Thanks again!

Many thanks to both Ringkeeper and Claw.

My kerbonaut was also stuck at Minmus similar to Ringkeeper's. I tried your way and sadly didn't helped.

Luckily for me I've stumbled upon Ringkeepers post and change altitude from 0.200312297791243 to 1.200312297791243 saved my precious kerbonauts and their work.

[LostOnTheMun]

For anyone who likes driving rovers as much as I do, you'll almost definitely come across this problem at some time or another. Here's my solution, which has saved countless Kerbals for me:

1. After a kerbal becomes non-responsive, stand another kerbal next to him, then ALT-TAB out of the game.

2. Go to your Saves folder and back up your Quicksave file by renaming it to whatever you want (VERY IMPORTANT!!).

3. Go back into the game and press F5 to create a new Quicksave file.

4. ALT-TAB out of the game again.

5. Open your new Quicksave file in any text editor and find the affected kerbal in it.

6. Open a SECOND instance of the Quicksave file and have them both on your screen side-by-side.

7. In the second Quicksave file, find the "good" kerbal that you stood next to the non-responsive one.

8. Now compare the two Kerbals in the files and you will see what is making the kerbal non-responsive.

9. Edit those lines to match the responsive one.

10. Save ONLY the edited Quicksave file.

11. Go back into the game and hold F9 to load your file.

If you've done it right your kerbal will come to life! If not, you can try again and again without having to load and re-load the game every time. As long as you have a good backup of your original Quicksave file you can always revert back and create a new file to edit, and if you don't succeed you've lost nothing.

Note: Saving this file with Notepad will default to saving as a .txt file and it won't load. Use "Save As" and make sure that when it lists files in the folder, the extension drop-down list is set to "All Files", and not ".TXT", and add the ".SFS" extension.

I hope this help someone. There's nothing worse than a bug costing a Kerbal's life.

Edited November 22, 2014 by LostOnTheMun

[Claw]

There is now an add-on fix posted here: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/97285-0-25-Stock-Bug-Fix-Modules-%28Release-v0-1-5-22-Nov-14%29

This will prevent kerbals from turning into debris. If you already have kerbals that are debris, this will recover them.

Cheers,

~Claw

Edited November 23, 2014 by Claw

[smjjames]

Is there a fix for this that's compat with 0.90? I've been periodically having this and I do have the latest kerbal debris stock bug fix.

I'm asking because http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/106235-Kerbals-on-surface-EVA-get-stuck-animation-wise-when-offloaded

Maybe I'll also ask in the stock bug fix thread.

[Claw]

I see you have a modded install. I can't say that I have seen complaints about kerbals stuck using the replication you stated in the other thread. However, I would be interested in more information to see if it really is a stock problem.

I can't read your log at the moment, but I would ask that you also upload a save file in your other thread. Looking through the save may give me a clue about what is happening to your kerbals. Also, if you could give step-by-step instructions for what you are doing, that would help me understand and replicate.

The stock bug fix modules are v0.90 Compatible, but the kerbal debris fix isn't quite aimed at the bug you describe.

Cheers,

-Claw

[smjjames]

Do you want me to put up one with the kerbals stuck or have one before that?

Also, I got the procedural fairings mod since, so, I've added that one.

EDIT: Would posting the quicksaves work??

Edit2: Umkay, I can't get it to reproduce right now, it happens sometimes.

Edited January 12, 2015 by smjjames

[moronwrocket]

Thanks for the tips, I managed to recover my Kerbal just 1 km away from his destination after a harrowing 45km drive through the desert (due to pilot error, he overshoot and then blew up his plane. Had to manually open the bay doors to extract his ride! Silly kerbal!)

Seegas Kerman owes you a beer the next time we see each other at the bar next to KSC!

http://hendric.smugmug.com/Other/Video-Games/i-45xfw9t

[Claw]

Do you want me to put up one with the kerbals stuck or have one before that?

Also, I got the procedural fairings mod since, so, I've added that one.

EDIT: Would posting the quicksaves work??

Edit2: Umkay, I can't get it to reproduce right now, it happens sometimes.

One before, and one right after would be ideal. Along with the steps on how you got from the working one to the broken one. Quicksaves are fine.

Thanks for the tips, I managed to recover my Kerbal

Excellent! I'm glad to be of service.

and Welcome to the forums!

Cheers,

~Claw

[Sampa]

is this bug just caused by a strange and random corruption of the file while in-game?

[Claw]

is this bug just caused by a strange and random corruption of the file while in-game?

There was a bug that caused the kerbals to randomly freeze up. That one has been fixed, but there are still two ways to freeze up kerbals, and both have to do with external command seats.

When crashing a kerbal in an external command seat, there's a chance of turning the kerbal into debris. Generally this happens when their heads hit first (before the command seat) which can cause them to be dislodged. The end result is either that they are ejected from the seat as debris, or that they stay connected to the seat but are somehow immobilized due to being turned into a regular part (vice a kerbal part). So not exactly random, but also doesn't happen every time you crash.

Cheers,

~Claw

[jenkinss17]

Hi everyone, i been reading all the solutions to kerbals not working properly. but i'm stuck with a wear issue.

the kerbals can't walk. they jump, turn, activate RCS. but cant walk using their legs???.

already tried some fixes here listed but can't make it work. Any ideas????

thanks.

[Claw]

I recommend checking your key bindings in the Main Menu -> Settings. The jump/turn/RCS buttons can be mapped separate from the Walk buttons.

Welcome to the forums!

Cheers,

~Claw

[lt904]

Hello, I tried the fix you detailed in the first post after two of my Kerbals got stuck in a ragdoll state in external command seats after a rover on Duna crashed. When I loaded the game with the edited save in place, I get stuck trying to resume my game. When I hit the Resume saved button on the main menu, the game pauses for a few seconds and then nothing happens. I'm not getting a list of my saves to load from. I made a backup of my save file before I tried editing it, and restored it when the edited file didn't work, but it still wont let me reload any of my saves.

I can start a new game, but not reload any saved games. Any ideas?

I'm on a sock KSP 1.0.2 install, and spent 345+ hours on my main save game so I'm really hoping I can get it working again.

[Rehty77]

Why don't any of the links work for me?

[Claw]

When I hit the Resume saved button on the main menu, the game pauses for a few seconds and then nothing happens.

...

I can start a new game, but not reload any saved games. Any ideas?

You have a corrupt save game floating around in there. Move all your save folders out somewhere safe, then put just your backup save back in (and keep a copy of your backup save somewhere safe still). Your save game folder should just have the persistence.sfs and your Ships folder.

Let me know if you are having problems.

Why don't any of the links work for me?

Which links? If you mean the ones that link to old bug reports, those threads have been moved to the archive.

Cheers,

-Claw

[Hypnonymoose]

I realize this is a really old thread, but I can't seem to find help anywhere else sooooo,

I built a Mun rover. I have a guy in the Mun rover, in a command seat. I can drive around and do rover stuff. But he seems to be stuck. I can activate and use the EVA jetpack, which doesn't do much because he's strapped into the rover. I can't get out of the seat. I can't exit the rover. It's like he's EVA but his hands are strapped to the controls or something.

I tried anddoingstate = EVA and state = Seated (Command) but all that did was make my savefile unrecognizable to the game. Editing my quicksave just didn't do anything when I loaded it, and it wouldn't even show the load menu when I changed the main one.

So I'm kinda stuck. I'll cut my expedition short and get back to my station and see if I can do anything there, but I doubt it. Any clues as to why this is happening and how to fix it?

P.S. I do have a few basic mods, but they're just UI stuff like the alarm clock and Kerbal Engineer. I don't think they have anything to do with this, but I'll uninstall them if need be.

[Claw]

I have a guy in the Mun rover, in a command seat. I can drive around and do rover stuff. But he seems to be stuck.

It is an old thread, but is still valid.

You need to look at the first page, and find the "If your kerbal is frozen sitting in an External Command Seat and unable to get out." section. You should use state = Seated (Command). If he's standing, then you might need to go check his idx value in the Roster section (near the end of your save file). It should be -1 I believe. It's been a while since I looked.

If all you have is KER and KAC, you can upload your save and I'll try to take a look.

Also, welcome to the forum.

Cheers,

~Claw

[BenFort]

Hi there.

I have sent Jebediah Kerman on a EVA mission from his ship to another ship on the moon (On foot). After arriving at the ship I quit the game and left. After coming back I realized that I had no control over Jedediah. I will post my BuildInfo and SFS file. Please take a look and tell me what I can do.

BuildInfo:

build id = 459

2014-04-01_11-06-56

Branch: master

SFS:

VESSEL
		{
			pid = 4d0c2dffdfcf438a9478fb9e0e12bfc6
			name = Jebediah Kerman
			type = EVA
			sit = LANDED
			landed = True
			landedAt = 
			splashed = False
			met = 7704.22000717348
			lct = 595991.893374671
			root = 0
			lat = -16.4121720283532
			lon = -291.327910561502
			alt = 4374.88185848101
			hgt = 0.1388997
			nrm = -0.4407173,0.2872579,-0.8504417
			rot = 0.5623886,-0.7126086,-0.4077658,-0.09815817
			CoM = 0,0,0
			stg = 0
			prst = False
			ref = 0
			cPch = 0.2
			cHdg = 0.3
			cMod = 0
			ORBIT
			{
				SMA = 102200.034866911
				ECC = 0.999753543377283
				INC = 16.4121720283619
				LPE = 89.9999999999973
				LAN = 152.37740203532
				MNA = 3.14159265358979
				EPH = 603696.113381844
				REF = 2
			}
			PART
			{
				name = kerbalEVA
				uid = 3914525160
				mid = 652295016
				parent = 0
				position = 0,0,0
				rotation = 0,0,0,1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 0
				srfN = None, -1
				mass = 0.09375
				temp = 0
				expt = 0
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Squad/Flags/kerbin
				rTrf = referenceTransform
				crew = 0
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalEVA
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						PlantFlag
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Plant Flag [1]
							guiName = Plant Flag [1]
							category = Plant Flag [1]
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						MakeReference
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Control From Here
							guiName = Control From Here
							category = Control From Here
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						OnDeboardSeat
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Leave Seat
							guiName = Leave Seat
							category = Leave Seat
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						RenameVessel
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Rename Vessel
							guiName = Rename Vessel
							category = Rename Vessel
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceExperiment
					isEnabled = True
					Deployed = False
					Inoperable = False
					EVENTS
					{
						DeployExperiment
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Deploy
							guiName = Take Surface Sample
							category = Deploy
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Sample
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperiment
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Sample
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperimentExternal
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Sample
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						DeployAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
						ResetAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceExperiment
					isEnabled = True
					Deployed = True
					Inoperable = False
					EVENTS
					{
						DeployExperiment
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Deploy
							guiName = EVA Report
							category = Deploy
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Report
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperiment
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Report
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperimentExternal
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Report
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						DeployAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
						ResetAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = evaReport@MunSrfLandedEastCrater
						xmit = 1
						labBoost = 0
						title = EVA Report from the Mun's East Crater
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceContainer
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						StoreDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Give Data (13)
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data (13)
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Stored Data (12)
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = evaReport@MunInSpaceHigh
						xmit = 1
						labBoost = 0
						title = EVA Report while in space high over the Mun
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = evaReport@MunInSpaceLowEastCrater
						xmit = 1
						labBoost = 0
						title = EVA Report from space just above the Mun's East Crater
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 25
						subjectID = mobileMaterialsLab@MunInSpaceHigh
						xmit = 0.2
						labBoost = 0
						title = Materials Study while in space high over the Mun
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 25
						subjectID = mobileMaterialsLab@MunSrfLandedEastCrater
						xmit = 0.2
						labBoost = 0
						title = Materials Study from the Mun's East Crater
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 10
						subjectID = mysteryGoo@MunSrfLandedEastCrater
						xmit = 0.3
						labBoost = 0
						title = Mystery Gooâ„¢ Observation from the Mun's East Crater
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 10
						subjectID = mysteryGoo@MunInSpaceHigh
						xmit = 0.3
						labBoost = 0
						title = Mystery Gooâ„¢ Observation while in space high over the Mun
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 10
						subjectID = mysteryGoo@MunInSpaceLow
						xmit = 0.3
						labBoost = 0
						title = Mystery Gooâ„¢ Observation while in space near the Mun
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = temperatureScan@MunInSpaceLow
						xmit = 0.5
						labBoost = 0
						title = Temperature Scan while in space near the Mun
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = temperatureScan@MunSrfLandedEastCrater
						xmit = 0.5
						labBoost = 0
						title = Temperature Scan from the Mun's East Crater
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 30
						subjectID = surfaceSample@MunSrfLandedEastCrater
						xmit = 0.25
						labBoost = 0
						title = Surface Sample from the Mun's East Crater
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = evaReport@MunSrfLandedEastCrater
						xmit = 1
						labBoost = 0
						title = EVA Report from the Mun's East Crater
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 5
						subjectID = crewReport@MunSrfLandedEastCrater
						xmit = 1
						labBoost = 0
						title = Crew Report from the Mun's East Crater
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FlagDecal
					isEnabled = True
					flagDisplayed = True
					EVENTS
					{
						ToggleFlag
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = ToggleFlag
							guiName = ToggleFlag
							category = ToggleFlag
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				RESOURCE
				{
					name = EVA Propellant
					amount = 0.555477452417899
					maxAmount = 5
					flowState = True
					isTweakable = False
					hideFlow = False
					flowMode = Both
				}
			}
			ACTIONGROUPS
			{
				Stage = False, 0
				Gear = True, 0
				Light = False, 0
				RCS = False, 0
				SAS = False, 0
				Brakes = False, 0
				Abort = False, 0
				Custom01 = False, 0
				Custom02 = False, 0
				Custom03 = False, 0
				Custom04 = False, 0
				Custom05 = False, 0
				Custom06 = False, 0
				Custom07 = False, 0
				Custom08 = False, 0
				Custom09 = False, 0
				Custom10 = False, 0
			}
			DISCOVERY
			{
				state = -1
				lastObservedTime = 0
				lifetime = Infinity
				refTime = Infinity
				size = 2
			}
			FLIGHTPLAN
			{
			}
			CTRLSTATE
			{
				pitch = 0
				yaw = 0
				roll = 0
				trimPitch = 0
				trimYaw = 0
				trimRoll = 0
				mainThrottle = 0
			}
		}

Edited June 9, 2015 by Claw
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[BenFort]

Is nobody going to answer me?!