Kryten Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 At least according to statements by deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin. This is going to have pretty serious consequences if true-ending Russian participation would end the ISS completely, and Antares and Atlas V depend on Russian engines-but Rogozin has a habit of making overblown statements and not much actual power. At the moment we can assume this isn't necessarily true until repeated by the Duma/Putin/Medvedev, but it's still very concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASAFanboy Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Ending rocket engine purchases will be a field day for SpaceX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Goddess Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 That still gives us 6 years to get SpaceX human rated, Orion will be ready by then. ISS is already scheduled to be decommissioned around then and the Russian sections moved to a new Russian station, so I'm not sure where this effects anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 That still gives us 6 years to get SpaceX human rated, Orion will be ready by then. ISS is already scheduled to be decommissioned around then and the Russian sections moved to a new Russian station, so I'm not sure where this effects anything. ISS was already agreed to get an extension to 2024, and one to 2028 was considered practically inevitable. As for the rockets-spaceflight involves a lot more than crewed, as a lot of people on this site tend to forget. Atlas is vital for basically all government payloads right now, and Antares is needed to keep the ISS supplied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 That still gives us 6 years to get SpaceX human rated, Orion will be ready by then. ISS is already scheduled to be decommissioned around then and the Russian sections moved to a new Russian station, so I'm not sure where this effects anything.This isn't KSP. While the ISS is technically modular, I'm pretty sure they can't just pop off half the modules and expect the station to keep working. Maybe I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klingon Admiral Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 This isn't KSP. While the ISS is technically modular, I'm pretty sure they can't just pop off half the modules and expect the station to keep working. Maybe I'm wrong.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPSEKThis is pretty much exactly what Russia's gonna do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Question 1: Can SpaceX, ULA, Arianespace, maybe even JAXA fill the void left by Russia in space transport?Question 2: Can Russia's space industry stay alive if\when steady stream of money from the West ends?Answers for these questions should tell us if this guy is bluffing or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPSEKThis is pretty much exactly what Russia's gonna do.I guess this really is KSP. A lot of us tend to re-use station parts in new stations.So that may be fine for a new station, purpose built to use the old parts. But will the ISS be able to function with Russian modules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vger Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPSEKThis is pretty much exactly what Russia's gonna do.@_@... an orbital drydock? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccollo Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 As soon as the US lifted their ban on the Russian engines, Russia imposes their own ban.Honestly that's kind of funny.Anyway, this is the actual statement from Rogozin regarding the engines.Russia is ready to continue deliveries of RD-180 engines to the US only under the guarantee that they won't be used in the interests of the PentagonIt doesn't say that Russia is halting exports, but rather implies that the US can't use the engines for military launches.Maybe ULA can ignore this, but then they will run out of engines in two years, and the block buy is for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Question 1: Can SpaceX, ULA, Arianespace, maybe even JAXA fill the void left by Russia in space transport?Of those, only JAXA does not have a near-full launch manifest for the next few years, and ULA are severely threatened by the engine issue.Question 2: Can Russia's space industry stay alive if\when steady stream of money from the West ends?They have large numbers of government and internal commercial launches. The Chinese industry survives with very little western money, the Russian one should too, although downsizing would be inevitable.It doesn't say that Russia is halting exports, but rather implies that the US can't use the engines for military launches.Maybe ULA can ignore this, but then they will run out of engines in two years, and the block buy is for 5 years.The only way to guarantee that is to stop export, especially given most Atlas flights are military. EDIT: Rogozin himself, via interfax;We proceed from the fact that without guarantees that our engines are used for non-military spacecraft launches only, we won’t be able to supply them to the US Edited May 13, 2014 by Kryten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorph555 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 good, this is what I like to see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASAFanboy Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 good, this is what I like to see...Why do you hate America's space program so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shynung Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Why do you hate America's space program so much?Maybe he wanted SpaceX to succeed. This is one big leverage for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvickFlygarn87 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 *Pinches self*...nope, not dreaming.Well, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How2FoldSoup Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 This is certainly an unanticipated turn of events..Hopefully this leads to the ULA breakup and finally other rocket companies have a chance to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Jenkens Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 This is a real shame. Space agencies can achieve so much more when they pool their resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Goddess Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, 6 years is a LONG time in politics, we could be great friends again by then. Russia might not even exist as we know it by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, at least it IS still six years. After that time, our capabilities should be advanced enough (SpaceX, I mean) to be able to get ourselves to the ISS without aid from Russia. Hope's not lost, at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 *Pinches self*...nope, not dreaming.Well, damn.Rogozin might be, still nothing from Putin or the Duma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorph555 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Why do you hate America's space program so much?I just do, it's kinda my thing...Besides only really liked 1950s-80s, everything after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorph555 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Maybe he wanted SpaceX to succeed. This is one big leverage for them.I hate private space just a little less then I hate greenpeace, and thats saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfinger008 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Russia might not even exist as we know it by then.Errrrrr, i am not sure how to understand that...... Because if you talk about war, let me assure you there won´t be a space programm afterwards for many, MAANY years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Jenkens Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I just do, it's kinda my thing... Besides only really liked 1950s-80s, everything after that... I hate private space just a little less then I hate greenpeace, and thats saying something. Wait so you hate the government space program and you hate private space programs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew123 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, I guess this temporarily ends any chance for the UNSC. But, the NWO can still happen! EUGENICS! Artificial intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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