[1.12.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [16.1][28.05.2024][Mars Expedition WIP]

curtquarquesso · July 5, 2015

Hey guys, let's try to bring it back on topic before the mods get he...re... Ok... Thanks mods.

Here we go: Improved Virgo II Lunar Lander on the day that the Old World U.S.A. landed on the moon. That's 'Murican enough. Craft will be in the next craft files release.

Edited July 9, 2015 by curtquarquesso

Sideswiper22 · July 5, 2015

Nice to see the Fallout lore version is also being made

Reddragon · July 5, 2015

I also tried to make some Fallout stuff. My absolute favorite is the Delta IX rocket plane. It is using the Tantares nuclear engine and has a decent DeltaV but you definitely need a booster to launch it for the very low TWR. I haven't tested this new design yet.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Reddragon

Beale · July 5, 2015

Hey guys, let's try to bring it back on topic. This isn't really appropriate anymore...
Here we go: Improved Virgo II Lunar Lander on the day that the Old World U.S.A. landed on the moon. That's 'Murican enough. Craft will be in the next craft files release.
http://i.imgur.com/LLOFuFe.png

Nice to see the revamp!

I also tried to make some Fallout stuff. My absolute favorite is the Delta XI rocket plane. It is using the Tantares nuclear engine and has a decent DeltaV but you definitely need a booster to launch it for the very low TWR. I haven't tested this new design yet.
http://i.imgur.com/pzaxN6v.jpg

Nice RocketPlane!

Comparison, not bad!

latest?cb=20110403002956

PPTS is looking great! I loved the last update as well! I recently moved and didn't have the internet for a week, so I haven't really done much in Kerbal, but I am excited to try out the Big G and the PPTS (soon enough!).

Thanks!

how about making them like the orion's round solar panels?

These are nice, but still not sure how to animate them (Is it skinned mesh renderer? I don't know technical details).

I'd make two pods with the same exterior, and then the 4kerb version I'd give a bigger life-support and KIS allotment and make the 6 man more expensive.
I don't think 6 crew is excessive, thats a good size for a Duna mission crew assuming your keeping the orbital hab crewed or building a ground lab

I'm not so sure, I think it will lead to bloat to have two versions.

New interior.

T'Flok · July 5, 2015

New interior.
http://puu.sh/iO2ri/52555fa108.jpg

Yes!! Much better!

Herr Rictus Bingo · July 5, 2015

Hey guys, let's try to bring it back on topic. This isn't really appropriate anymore...
Here we go: Improved Virgo II Lunar Lander on the day that the Old World U.S.A. landed on the moon. That's 'Murican enough. Craft will be in the next craft files release.
http://i.imgur.com/LLOFuFe.png

Ahah nice model ! :cool: Here's the perfect song for it ! :

SnowWhite · July 5, 2015

Much more better! :sticktongue:

Feedback. Again. If you are tired of infinite remakings- just tell me you have a special look at the IVA.

Come on! RPM plate above the hatch?

Also, I think that would be better to have rotated RPM-plate because it's more convenient and useful.

T'Flok · July 5, 2015

Come on! RPM plate above the hatch?

*Bursts into uncontrollable laughter* Agh! And I thought it was some sort of magnetic table, or an upside-down doormat! *continues laughing uncontrollably*

Ow, my sides! Man, I needed a good laugh today!

Beale · July 5, 2015

Much more better!
Feedback. Again. If you are tired of infinite remakings- just tell me you have a special look at the IVA.
Come on! RPM plate above the hatch?
http://i.imgur.com/iiqciYe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D9LLcFZ.png
Also, I think that would be better to have rotated RPM-plate because it's more convenient and useful.

Revision #2 :wink:

Console is still 90 degree, but move from the door, seating is now met equally.

It's hot!

Edited July 5, 2015 by Beale

pTrevTrevs · July 5, 2015

Why don't you reuse the hatch texture from the Soyuz OM for the docking port hatch? It looks so much better than the current texture

peekingpenguins · July 5, 2015

Worked like a charm! Also, where do I find the proper fairing to go around the decent and orbital modul, and where can I find premade ships?

minepagan · July 5, 2015

These are nice, but still not sure how to animate them (Is it skinned mesh renderer? I don't know technical details).

Use NFT's Circular panels as an example? Possibly ask the author?

T'Flok · July 5, 2015

Revision #2
Console is still 90 degree, but move from the door, seating is now met equally.
http://puu.sh/iO9ie/e659c9147f.jpg
http://puu.sh/iO9mz/6f5f288c5f.jpg
It's hot!
http://puu.sh/iOb6B/2a365dafe6.jpg
http://puu.sh/iOb7f/f8ae721490.jpg
http://puu.sh/iOb8f/f4588359ea.jpg

Looks nice! But the seating seems awkward, I mean the only kerbals who are near the instruments are upside-down thus it makes flying the thing from inside quite confusing, it's like looking at a computer screen upside down! I'd still go for what SnowWhite showed us.

minepagan · July 5, 2015

Just a thought....

Is it bad that when I type "KS" into Google, it auto-completes to "KSP Tantares"?

Gristle · July 5, 2015

Just a thought....
Is it bad that when I type "KS" into Google, it auto-completes to "KSP Tantares"?

Nope - This is perfectly normal. Something is wrong when Google thinks KS means Kansas.

curtquarquesso · July 5, 2015

I think your seats are upside-down. I know that the PPTS has the cosmonauts sitting feet-to-feet, but I'm not sure it's optimal for a KSP IVA.

SnowWhite's seating arrangement looks more practical. I think having the seats completely flat on their backs is what makes it look kinda bizzare. If you look at most capsules, they're not flat on their backs, they're inclined forwards a bit so the brunt of the force is directed into the butts of the cosmo/astronauts, not into their spines. Plus, having it inclined forwards means you can put the control panel in front of them, without obstructing the forward hatch.

I drew another picture... It's not great, but you get the point. Keep the seats, and the instruments angled. It looks better, and functions better. Makes for a really immersive IVA.

Beale · July 5, 2015

Why don't you reuse the hatch texture from the Soyuz OM for the docking port hatch? It looks so much better than the current texture

Will fix!

Worked like a charm! Also, where do I find the proper fairing to go around the decent and orbital modul, and where can I find premade ships?

Check first page for craft files.

Fairings, you have the choice of procedural fairings or the stock shrouds.

Looks nice! But the seating seems awkward' date=' I mean the only kerbals who are near the instruments are upside-down thus it makes flying the thing from inside quite confusing, it's like looking at a computer screen upside down! I'd still go for what SnowWhite showed us.[/quote']
I don't think it will be a problem, unless you are flying it as a plane cockpit, as long as Kerbal backs are facing the gravitational pull.
I think your seats are upside-down. I know that the PPTS has the cosmonauts sitting feet-to-feet, but I'm not sure it's optimal for a KSP IVA.
SnowWhite's seating arrangement looks more practical. I think having the seats completely flat on their backs is what makes it look kinda bizzare. If you look at most capsules, they're not flat on their backs, they're inclined forwards a bit so the brunt of the force is directed into the butts of the cosmo/astronauts, not into their spines. Plus, having it inclined forwards means you can put the control panel in front of them, without obstructing the forward hatch.
I drew another picture... It's not great, but you get the point. Keep the seats, and the instruments angled. It looks better, and functions better. Makes for a really immersive IVA.
http://i.imgur.com/Gpeejrjm.jpg
I'm not so sure. The play tests I have done, this seating arrangement feels pretty good.
When flying and on ascent I don't feel looks strange.
Besides, it is pretty close to the real deal:
But!
You may try the part (and IVA) and form your own first hand opinion of the current layout. The feedback is appreciated.
Download

Edited July 5, 2015 by Beale

SnowWhite · July 5, 2015

Besides, it is pretty close to the real deal:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/manned/ptk_np/ptk_np_farn2010_interior_1.jpg

It's a very early concept, I think Tantares need to focus on modern prototypes. Such this (look, they are semi-sitting not simply lie on the floor) and

(Most detailed).

For example, early "Angara". Feel the difference with the current one?

Anyway, it's firstly a question of gameplay, not a reality. Then let users test your variant! :kiss:

Edited July 5, 2015 by SnowWhite

T'Flok · July 5, 2015

I still agree with SnowWhite. Just tried the pod out myself:

It's like it was meant to be on top of that contraption!

Kerbonaut1: "Is the SCR on?" :huh:

Kerbonaut2: "The what now???" :confused:

Gristle · July 5, 2015

MM config to add support for Toadicus Antenna Range mod:


// title        = T-CD Communication Dish
// description  = A communication dish mounted on a folding arm.
@PART[Tantares_Antenna_A]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 5000000000
		simpleRange = 14142135623
		maxPowerFactor = 8
		maxDataFactor = 4
	    requiredResource = ElectricCharge
	}
}

// title        = A961A Hoop Antenna
// description  = A very low-power antenna. Suitable for nothing more than short-range communication.
@PART[Vostok_Antenna_A]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 50000
		simpleRange = 150000
		maxPowerFactor = 9
		maxDataFactor = 3

	}

	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

// title        = V-ODA Backup Antenna
// description  = A crude, but reliable antenna.
@PART[Vega_Antenna_A]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 12000000
		simpleRange = 33941125
		maxPowerFactor = 8
		maxDataFactor = 4
	        requiredResource = ElectricCharge
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

// title        = "Priority" Dish Mk5
// description  = A largely flat, high-gain, fixed dish. Popular in the second hand market to be re-used as a sled.	
@PART[Vega_Antenna_B]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 200000000000
		simpleRange = 848528137424
		maxPowerFactor = 18
		maxDataFactor = 6
	        requiredResource = ElectricCharge
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

// title        = L-LG1 Low Gain Antenna
//description  = An extremely basic, but reliable, communication device.
@PART[Libra_Antenna_A]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 1500000
		simpleRange = 5196152
		maxPowerFactor = 12
		maxDataFactor = 2
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

// title        = V-RE "Needle" Rendezvous Antenna
// description  = Though initially created in order to automate the meet-up and docking of spacecraft, the V-RE more often than not finds itself used as a basic communication device.
@PART[Vega_Antenna_C]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 2500
		simpleRange = 2500
		maxPowerFactor = 1
		maxDataFactor = 2
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

// title        = L-HG1 High Gain Antenna
// description  = This folding communication dish will keep you in contact with ground control, theoretically outside the orbit of Minmus.
@PART[Libra_Antenna_B]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 50000000000
		simpleRange = 141421356237
		maxPowerFactor = 8
		maxDataFactor = 4
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

//title = F020A "Nova" Communication Dish
//description  = Maintain a connection between Kerbin and anywhere else in the solar system. Just, don't be surprised if a few of the 1s and 0s get switched up.
@PART[Fomalhaut_Antenna_A]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 113549713200
		simpleRange = 321167088822
		maxPowerFactor = 8
		maxDataFactor = 3
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

//title        = TK-CD0A Communication Array
//description  = An array of communication dishes mounted on a folding arm.
@PART[Alnair_Antenna_A]:FOR[Tantares]:NEEDS[AntennaRange]
{
	@MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter]
	{
		@name = ModuleLimitedDataTransmitter
		nominalRange = 5000000000
		simpleRange = 14142135624
		maxPowerFactor = 8
		maxDataFactor = 5
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer

		dataIsCollectable = true
		dataIsStorable = false

		storageRange = 2
	}
}

peekingpenguins · July 5, 2015

Will fix!
"Check first page for craft files.
Fairings, you have the choice of procedural fairings or the stock shrouds."
I've checked up and down for the shroud. Looked in the files as well. It's not there. Maybe I missed it, where is it in the files and what is its file name?

minepagan · July 5, 2015

Any chance of a .zip download for PPTS Alpha? If it's not too much of a hassle. I'm a windows sucker. :-)

Doggydog · July 5, 2015

Any chance of a .zip download for PPTS Alpha? If it's not too much of a hassle. I'm a windows sucker. :-)

Just download 7zip. It makes life so much better

minepagan · July 5, 2015

Just download 7zip. It makes life so much better

....but how do I 'make it work?'

Revenant503 · July 5, 2015

....but how do I 'make it work?'

when you install it it should set up a file association for you (and maybe ask if you want to let it handle zip files and tar and rars). in which case just double click on the file and it happens automatically...you just have to say you want to extract whatever you want.

[1.12.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [16.1][28.05.2024][Mars Expedition WIP]

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