m4v Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Majiir's stated reason for having opt-out by default is because, if he made it opt-in, fewer people would allow it, resulting in less data.Anyone who would not opt in given the prompt obviously does not want their data collected.It follows, then, that the opt-out system is collecting data from people who do not consent to it. No matter how simple or well-documented the opt-out process is, this fact shows that people either do not know about it or cannot implement it.Not true, because there are people that don't care about the survey and will go with whichever is the default option, you're implying that there are just two kind of users, those that want and those that don't want to participate, but if that were true then if is opt-in or opt-out wouldn't change the participation rates at all, users will use the option they want. Beside Majiir and mod authors aren't sneakily installing mods in everybody's computer without consent, users install these mods themselves and is their god damn job to RTFM of what they are installing. Mods are no different than executables, users have to do their homework and understand what they are installing, if the mod states that it collects anonymous data then installing it is in a way opting in.This whole thread comes to me as an attempt to force mod authors to follow OP's and some users' whims, all in the name of security and privacy protection when there's no way that ModStatistic puts that in risk. It doesn't work that way, if there's a feature of a mod that you don't like then you don't use that mod but if there's an option for disable that feature then you use that. So opt-out and lets stop this nonsense and return to do productive stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I, too, don't see why this is such a huge issue. About my only problem with ModStatistics was that Kethane was reinstalling it every time I deleted it while trying to diagnose an install, which was pretty damn obnoxious. That's a problem with Kethane, though, so I forgive ModStatistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbhChallenger Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Cpast, the open channel for sure is not.I would advice you all to do it in a private manner, a good one is to PM Rowsdower like you suggest.But for this one i think he already see it.Thank you!What if we want a response from Squad on the record? Public, as customers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgey Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) The whole thing about it being opt out instead of opt in I simply do not understand. You are opting in by choosing to download the mod, or a mod with it being bundled. There are two instances where you would not be aware of the mod being included in the download of another mod. Either you did not read the information provided to you on the thread post of mod it was bundled with, in which case it is your fault. Or the modder did not include the information in the thread post, in which case it is the fault of the modder for not including the information.Those are the only two options, and non of the fault goes to ModStatistics.Edit,Regex, majiir explained in quite detail how to disable the mod permently. Did you not read the first page of his mod thread? Edited July 21, 2014 by Dodgey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4v Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 What if we want a response from Squad on the record? Public, as customers?What kind of response is Squad supposed to give to users that complain about mods that are documented, have a turn off switch and they install and use on their own volition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudgetHedgehog Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 What kind of response is Squad supposed to give to users that complain about mods that are documented, have a turn off switch and they install and use on their own volition?I'm guessing 'well, if you don't like it, disable it'. But that's not what the people opposed to ModStats want to hear, so meh. Damn, I would suck at PR as a career.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Regex, majiir explained in quite detail how to disable the mod permently. Did you not read the first page of his mod thread?Yes, I did read how to permanently disable the mod, but I wanted to delete it in an effort to see if it was causing issues in an install. See, disabling it still means that the assembly has to load and figure out if it's been disabled, whereas if I delete it the assembly doesn't load at all because it's not there to load in the first place. This is a step that many mod authors will ask that you take while diagnosing an install and ModStatistics should be no exception. Unfortunately Kethane obnoxiously installs ModStatistics if it's missing, which made me quite mad while trying to figure out what was going on with my install.Long story short, yes, I did RTFM, Kethane was being obnoxious, not ModStatistics.Thanks for your concern, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgey Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ah alright, just checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technicalfool Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Squad know about the issue, Majiir knows about the issue, things are being worked on, pretty much everything that could be said about ModStatistics has now been said both here and elsewhere, therefore this thread has served its purpose. I'm locking it down before it goes in any more circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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