Naval Battle Club

[zekes]

As I wished to determine the strength of the Tesseract's armor, I downloaded zekes's Drek XXX and stripped a Popper missile from it, then placed the latter at ~200 meters from the battleship and fired at what I assumed to be the vessel's weakest point, the engine casing.

http://i.imgur.com/hGApE7T.png

I lost two wing plates.

*Laughs manically*

That missile is designed to be fired from 900 meters

[Three1415]

*Eyes narrow*

Well, while I will admit that that hurt more, it is still only the first two of seven armor layers that must be penetrated...

However, I suppose that, as you carry twelve missiles, you do not have to do much damage per shot to eventually destroy me...Glass cannon syndrome!

[zekes]

*Eyes narrow*

http://i.imgur.com/PUdI7Jl.png

Well, while I will admit that that hurt more, it is still only the first two of seven armor layers that must be penetrated...

However, I suppose that, as you carry twelve missiles, you do not have to do much damage per shot to eventually destroy me...Glass cannon syndrome!

as I assume you have the same potential - You may have more armor, but i have weapons and fuel. We come to an even draw in terms of capability.

[Three1415]

as I assume you have the same potential - You may have more armor, but i have weapons and fuel. We come to an even draw in terms of capability.

At which point it becomes almost useless to battle anyway--whoever goes first wins...

[zekes]

At which point it becomes almost useless to battle anyway--whoever goes first wins...

That's the problem me and spartwo had And is why I don't battle certain people, it just doesn't work.

[Three1415]

That's the problem me and spartwo had And is why I don't battle certain people, it just doesn't work.

Real-time multiplayer is the only thing that I can think of that can resolve such issues; it would also raise the skill ceiling significantly, as one would have to command one's entire fleet--intercepts, dodging, returning fire--all at once...

[Zamovinar]

At which point it becomes almost useless to battle anyway--whoever goes first wins...

I have observed that too, so I built my ships to take two critical shots before being killed. First shot is for it to survive if the opponent takes the first turn, after that it's pretty much dead when it released it's first weapon. By that time the opponent would have seen the underbelly construction of the ship and it's weakness so the best move is to dish out the best damage you can inflict. If it survives for more than 2 shots it's pure luck due to the limit of construction techniques by a common craft. If you can remember the my fight with zekes he took the first turn unloading most of his armament. That is why I thought 1 shot per turn is better.

[zekes]

Real-time multiplayer is the only thing that I can think of that can resolve such issues; it would also raise the skill ceiling significantly, as one would have to command one's entire fleet--intercepts, dodging, returning fire--all at once...

Yeah, my Drek takes like 45 seconds to make a full turn...

[HafCoJoe]

Thanks, but it is not really my idea--I simply realized that the phasing effects of time warp (to which I was introduced by Danny2462) could have practical applications.

It is simply a term I use to describe when the weapons in a game are far stronger than the armor that can be mounted for the same cost. KSP has a particularly bad case of it, but it is not the first game I have seen where this is the norm--if you have ever played Robocraft, you know what I mean.

I love Robocraft! Yeah I know exactly what you mean.

[Zamovinar]

Ok that's it I'm about to quit to making hulls and armor. Every time I try to shoot at my own ship it is destroyed, it looks like my weapons are overpowered.

I have had about 19 iterations of a hull and armor.

Here's the best one I've got Model 7. I'm not going to upload because it still top secret and might still be useful, it's very effective at negating missiles but its a nightmare when it comes to part count (I'm still working on that). From now on I'll use it as target practice now for my weapons.

If you can notice those white pieces the adapters, they are very good at absorbing shrapnel, it just spews it outward protecting the insides.

This has two layers on the broadside and one on the thin side.

My own tirepedoes cannot even get through (I don't know about other armament though)

Those are Fuel tanks used as an Armor.

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I have a two more models here if anyone wants to try shooting at and give me feedback would be much appreciated. Sorry no pics. I've been wracking my brains out and forgot to take screenshots.

Model 14 (Complete ship but weak)

http://www./download/sooe54at6h0q69s/NEW+SHIP+14.craft

Model 19 (Hull only)

http://www./download/six6t8qih7ja19x/NEW+SHIP+19.craft

[daemonCaptrix]

As I wished to determine the strength of the Tesseract's armor, I downloaded zekes's Drek XXX and stripped a Popper missile from it, then placed the latter at ~200 meters from the battleship and fired at what I assumed to be the vessel's weakest point, the engine casing.

http://i.imgur.com/hGApE7T.png

I lost two wing plates.

*Laughs manically*

Is that an actual tesseract or just a cube?

[Mr Tegu]

Ok that's it I'm about to quit to making hulls and armor. Every time I try to shoot at my own ship it is destroyed, it looks like my weapons are overpowered.

I have had about 19 iterations of a hull and armor.

Here's the best one I've got Model 7. I'm not going to upload because it still top secret and might still be useful, it's very effective at negating missiles but its a nightmare when it comes to part count (I'm still working on that). From now on I'll use it as target practice now for my weapons.

If you can notice those white pieces the adapters, they are very good at absorbing shrapnel, it just spews it outward protecting the insides.

This has two layers on the broadside and one on the thin side.

My own tirepedoes cannot even get through (I don't know about other armament though)

Those are Fuel tanks used as an Armor.

http://i.imgur.com/prfK2JB.png

http://imgur.com/a/wwKuH

I have a two more models here if anyone wants to try shooting at and give me feedback would be much appreciated. Sorry no pics. I've been wracking my brains out and forgot to take screenshots.

Model 14 (Complete ship but weak)

http://www./download/sooe54at6h0q69s/NEW+SHIP+14.craft

Model 19 (Hull only)

http://www./download/six6t8qih7ja19x/NEW+SHIP+19.craft

Dude, You're trying to use containers full of explosives as armour....

Try building the hull around a framework of impact 80 parts and then spreading the vulnerable subsytems throughout the hull.

[astecarmyman]

*Eyes narrow*

http://i.imgur.com/PUdI7Jl.png

Well, while I will admit that that hurt more, it is still only the first two of seven armor layers that must be penetrated...

However, I suppose that, as you carry twelve missiles, you do not have to do much damage per shot to eventually destroy me...Glass cannon syndrome!

Can u put up a download of the popper missile? I don't want to search through zekes massive laggy battleship to get my hands on one

[Mr Tegu]

As I wished to determine the strength of the Tesseract's armor, I downloaded zekes's Drek XXX and stripped a Popper missile from it, then placed the latter at ~200 meters from the battleship and fired at what I assumed to be the vessel's weakest point, the engine casing.

http://i.imgur.com/hGApE7T.png

I lost two wing plates.

*Laughs manically*

Mind if I have a crack?

[astecarmyman]

A NEW AGE IS UPON US...

More pics coming soon...

And yes... I am in possession of the world's smallest stock rotor in Ksp (A wonderful subscriber sent me the modified Craft! Bless im for creating this beauty)

[zekes]

A NEW AGE IS UPON US...

http://i.imgur.com/RSqlkfc.png

http://i.imgur.com/3PlvV9T.png

More pics coming soon...

And yes... I am in possession of the world's smallest stock rotor in Ksp (A wonderful subscriber sent me the modified Craft! Bless im for creating this beauty)

*Ahem*

Edited January 8, 2015 by zekes

[astecarmyman]

That's on a BATTLESHIP

This is on a tank, after all, there is only so much room a tank has for its turret ring (and base)

Also, why don't you send over teh craft file for that turret and I'll see if I can fit it into something smaller like this:

Also here is the turret ring for comparison:

[zekes]

That's on a BATTLESHIP

This is on a tank, after all, there is only so much room a tank has for its turret ring (and base)

Also, why don't you send over teh craft file for that turret and I'll see if I can fit it into something smaller like this:

http://i.imgur.com/wd7Prpl.png

Also here is the turret ring for comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/F6fomEU.png

I put one on a tank too, but i don't have pics ATM - in fact I did it almost exactly that same way - with the wheels.

[astecarmyman]

I put one on a tank too, but i don't have pics ATM - in fact I did it almost exactly that same way - with the wheels.

Yea, but your tanks are huge... Almost as big as the battleships you make IMO.

Also the part count... That turreted tank is only 200 parts.

[HafCoJoe]

Could you use the small rover wheels to make the rotor spin by throttle control? That'd be so cool!

[astecarmyman]

Could you use the small rover wheels to make the rotor spin by throttle control? That'd be so cool!

I don't know if that is necessarily possible as wheels, tend to be a bit buggy with collision boxes especially when they are on an artificial surface (structural plate)

however you can certainly give it a try, but the best bet is to just stick with SAS and rotate with the q and e keys.

[zekes]

Yea, but your tanks are huge... Almost as big as the battleships you make IMO.

Also the part count... That turreted tank is only 200 parts.

Mine was 14 tons, and 400 parts - but it was a new tank and way too complex body. but now I know I can mount it on other tanks.

[astecarmyman]

Mine was 14 tons, and 400 parts - but it was a new tank and way too complex body. but now I know I can mount it on other tanks.

pics or it didn't happen

[Three1415]

Is that an actual tesseract or just a cube?

As KSP (sadly) does not support construction in four-dimensional space, it cannot really be considered a tesseract. However, its interior looks almost exactly like the Schlegel diagram for one, with a cube nested within another cube, so I decided to call it that...Besides, one cannot really go wrong with calling something a "tesseract"; the word belongs to that category of science terminology that sounds awesome when applied to anything.

Can u put up a download of the popper missile? I don't want to search through zekes massive laggy battleship to get my hands on one

The right to upload his missiles belongs to zekes and to zekes only; I am certainly not doing it without his permission (blame copyright laws ).

Mind if I have a crack?

Not at all; any weapons testing on it would be welcome, as I wish to better know the limits of the Tesseract's armor, and doing so requires a calculating malice that I simply cannot summon against my own ships.

As to its current strength, I know the outer cube's armor is extremely strong, but I am less certain of the inner cube's; likewise, I am still attempting to place the missiles in locations where they are not so easily knocked off, as they are now.

Download

[CrypticCross345]

Id like to join the battle club. I have already built some ships.