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undercoveryankee

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I'm a little confused by the avionics stuff. Some of the probe cores only seem to be able to handl a few hundred, to a few thousand, kg. Others can handle hundreds or thousands of tons. Is one meant for the launch vehicle and the other for the actual satelite?

Exactly. The large-capacity avionics cost you in weight and power, so there's an advantage to be had if you give the payload only enough avionics for its own mass and put the rest on the launch vehicle.

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NathanKell

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Good point, guess we need a later version of the Delta ring as an upgrade. For now you just have to use two.

EDIT: Answered the edit, not the original question. Yes, some are meant for probes, some for upper stages, and some for lower stages. You can't just look at part mass and allowed mass, you also have to look at electricity rate. Probe avionics is heavy, does not allow a lot of mass, but has low wattage. LV avionics are much more efficient per ton, but drain an exceptional amount of electricity. You can run them for the fifteen minutes to couple hours of a launch (and transfer burn) but beyond that they'll suck your batteries dry.

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chrisl

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Good point, guess we need a later version of the Delta ring as an upgrade. For now you just have to use two.

EDIT: Answered the edit, not the original question. Yes, some are meant for probes, some for upper stages, and some for lower stages. You can't just look at part mass and allowed mass, you also have to look at electricity rate. Probe avionics is heavy, does not allow a lot of mass, but has low wattage. LV avionics are much more efficient per ton, but drain an exceptional amount of electricity. You can run them for the fifteen minutes to couple hours of a launch (and transfer burn) but beyond that they'll suck your batteries dry.

Another thing I noticed is that the early Able/Delta (that works with the current Able/Delta avionics) is much smaller then later versions. The Delta K is 2.4m diameter so it looks really strange topped with a pair of 1.4m avionics units. :) I ended up going with the Agena avionics since it was closer to the right size and provided the tonnage I needed.

EDIT: One more suggestion I might make. You've got general avionics packages in 1m, 2m and 3m varieties which is great if you're building your own rockets. But if you're recreating historical rockets (especially US ones from what I can tell), the diameters were rarely whole numbers. For instance, Delta rockets (until Delta III and IV) were all 2.4m diameter, while Titan's were all something like 3.05m. It would be great if we could adjust the diameters of these avionics packages (assuming we are using tweak scale, of course) to match the diameter of the rockets we're putting them on.

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Capt. Kerk

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1) I've been enjoying this mod a lot. It's like starting KSP all over again: everything is mercilessly difficult!

2) I have a quick question about rocket design: my rockets' heading always seems to drift after I start my gravity turn. I always need to use SAS/Smart A.S.S./constant slight control adjustments to keep them on course. Is this a problem that can be solved with design or is it just a thing that happens?

3) I couldn't find any "official" AutoPruner prune lists for this mod (and will feel kind of dumb if it turns out there is one), so I wrote a horrendous little script to assemble one. The result is below:


ProceduralParts/Parts/ZOtherMods/DREHeatshield.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Engine_Fuel2/GeminiEngineFuel2.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Pod2/Gemini_Legs_X1_White.cfg
SXT/Parts/Aero/Wing/partWingTipRound.cfg
ThunderAerospace/TacLifeSupportMFT/LifeSupportLarge.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/GeminiNosecone2m.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_SAS_RCS/Gemini_SAS_RCS.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Pod2/Gemini_Pod_Light.cfg
SXT/Parts/Aero/Wing/partLarge.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/LFT_Gemini_Med_White.cfg
FASA/Misc/FASA_Solar_Panels/Solar_Med.cfg
SXT/Parts/Engine/propEngines/211D.cfg
SXT/Parts/Hull/fuselage/radialWindow.cfg
ProceduralParts/Parts/ZOtherMods/TankExtraplanetary.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingNosecone2mHalf.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingWall05m.cfg
FASA/Apollo/FASA_Apollo_Str/Str_S1B_Wing.cfg
SXT/Parts/Engine/propEngines/211F.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Pod2/Gemini_Pod2_RCS_White.cfg
SXT/Parts/Hull/fuselage/partPassengerCabin0Short.cfg
SXT/Parts/Aero/Wing/partLarger.cfg
DeadlyReentry/Parts/UP_decoupler_2/part_2M.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Dec_Dark/GeminiDec25.cfg
FASA/Misc/FASA_Solar_Panels/Solar_Large.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/GeminiDecLR91.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingNosecone625m.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Engine_Fuel2/GeminiEngFuelDescent.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Dec_Dark/GeminiDec375.cfg
DMagicOrbitalScience/UniversalStorage/USStock/ATMOSSENSE.cfg
SXT/Parts/Hull/fuselage/part.cfg
SXT/Parts/Hull/fuselage/smalladaptor.cfg
DeadlyReentry/Parts/UP_decoupler_2/part_2_5M.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingWall2mS.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/LFT_Gemini_BigG.cfg
DeadlyReentry/Parts/UP_decoupler_2/part_4m.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingWall2m.cfg
ThunderAerospace/TacLifeSupportMFT/LifeSupport.cfg
FASA/Probes/Explorer/Explorer_LFT_Med.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingWallCone1m.cfg
FASA/Mercury/FASA_Mercury_Atlas/Mercury_AtlasLFT_Long.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Engine_Fuel2/Gemini_Mini_SRB.cfg
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/5mEngines/TV.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_NoseCone2/Gemini_Nosecone_Aero.cfg
SXT/Parts/Aero/airIntake/part4Large.cfg
SXT/Parts/Aero/airIntake/part1b.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingWall1M.cfg
ThunderAerospace/TacLifeSupportMFT/LifeSupportSmall.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Pod2/Gemini_Legs_X1.cfg
SXT/Parts/Hull/fuselage/partPassenger Cabin1Long.cfg
ProceduralParts/Parts/ZOtherMods/TankKethane.cfg
FASA/Probes/Explorer/Explorer_LFT_Small.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingWall3M.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Pod2/Gemini_Pod2_White.cfg
FASA/Probes/FASA_Probe_Parts/Probe_Laser.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingNosecone1m.cfg
FASA/Probes/FASA_Probe_Parts/Probe_Camera.cfg
SXT/Parts/Engine/propEngines/Merlin66.cfg
FASA/Misc/FASA_Launch_Clamp_125/FASA_Launch_Clamp_Apollo.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_NoseCone2/Gemini_Nosecone_White.cfg
ProceduralFairings/common.cfg
SXT/Parts/Aero/Wing/partHalf.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/LFT_Gemini_Short_White.cfg
DMagicOrbitalScience/UniversalStorage/USStock/ACCGRAV.cfg
SXT/Parts/Hull/fuselage/part25mTailConnector.cfg
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingWallCone2m.cfg
SXT/Parts/Hull/ServiceMod1
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIEStank1300cl
KWRocketry/Parts/Fuel/KWSidetank
SXT/Parts/Utility/truck
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESdesacoplador sat3
DMagicOrbitalScience/ProbeScience/GoreSat
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings5m
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1R110_Wedge_KASContainer
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/KW3mFairingCone
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWPetalAdapter3m
Space Factory/Voskhod/Instrumental
SXT/Parts/SaturnV
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/RCS/mp_s_rcs
KWRocketry/Parts/RCS/KWrcsPod
KWRocketry/Parts/Fuel/KW_Universal_Tanks
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Structural/s_radialdecouple
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-hollow
SXT/Parts/Utility/smallPipes
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES sep1 a1ur5
DMagicOrbitalScience/ProbeScience/SolarParticleCollector
SXT/Parts/Control/OMS
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/HydrogenTanks/hydrogen-rad-375
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/3mWildcatXR
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESrcstanka5
SXT/Parts/Hull/Tsar
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESplomLandingLeg
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Structural/s_nosecone
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LES
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESFueltank superior3
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Centaur
KAS/Parts/hookSupport
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_BigG
SXT/Parts/Engine/K170
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/HydrogenTanks/hydrogen-rad-25-2
SXT/Parts/Hull/Osaul
KAS/Parts/hook_grapplingHook
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/FuelTank/lfo_s_tanks
DMagicOrbitalScience/RoverScience/DAN
SXT/Parts/Utility/floats
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_WingGemini
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWDecoupler
DMagicOrbitalScience/ProbeScience/ASERT
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LFT
SovietPack/Parts/Proton/Proton_Stages
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern01
RealFuels/Parts/Stretchy
ProceduralFairings/deprecated
SXT/Parts/Hull/inflatableTank/3-75m
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_SRB_175
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/solid_m_upper
SXT/Parts/Hull/Vanguard
KWRocketry/Parts/FairingBases/KWExpandedFairingBase
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES puntbase a1ur5
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings
SXT/Parts/Command/Kossak
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/HydrogenTanks/hydrogen-375
AIES_Aerospace/Aero/AIEScone0.5Ra
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWadapter2x1
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/KW12mExpandedFairingCone
KWRocketry/Parts/Control/KWRadialSAS
KWRocketry/Parts/FairingBases/KWFairingBase
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/FuelTank/mp_sml_long
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-curved02
SXT/Parts/Hull/inflatableTank/2-5m
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES t2000v4
SXT/Parts/Engine/K15
KWRocketry/Parts/Solids/250mInlineThor
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESantennacomtec1
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/XenonTanks/xenon-125
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Structural/sm_radialextend
KAS/Parts/winch1
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LFT_Ext_Sm
SXT/Parts/Command/MEM
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/kwstrutConnectorHeavy
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESdecouplerradvector
FASA/Mercury/FASA_Mercury_RCS_Short
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIEStankminsond
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES top100 a1ur5b
RemoteTech/Parts/LongAntenna3
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/mp_m_vac
SXT/Parts/Hull/SPKTR
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/ArgonTanks/argon-25-2
KAS/Parts/hook_anchor
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_spotLight1sm
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESASdecoupler
FASA/ICBM/FASA_ICBM
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/lfo_s_nerva
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Lander_Legs
KWRocketry/Parts/Solids/250mSRBThor
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES puntbase v2r10
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/FuelTank/x_s_tank
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES t1500v4
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/KW3mExpandedFairingCone
Space Factory/Voskhod/Antenna
SXT/Parts/Utility/RadialAttachShroud
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/ArgonTanks/argon-0625
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KW3mDockingRing
KWRocketry/Parts/Solids/150mSRBs
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern07
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESadapterrads
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/lfo_s_midengine
SXT/Parts/Engine/25mTurboJet
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESdecouplersv05
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/ec_ion
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/KW5mExpandedFairingCone
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESantennaexpantvr2
SXT/Parts/Control/airBrake
BobCatind/Sovietengines/RD0120
SXT/Parts/Engine/0Mk2LinearAerospike
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWFuelAdapter
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/ArgonTanks/argon-rad-0625
AIES_Aerospace/Engine/AIESconstelacion
SXT/Parts/Utility/crashPad
KAS/Parts/winch2
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/XenonTanks/xenon-25-2
SXT/Parts/Control/Vernier
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/Adapters/adapter-rad-0625
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES t3000r20c
KWRocketry/Parts/Solids/075mAeroSRBs
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg
DMagicOrbitalScience/UniversalStorage/USASERT
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/3mTitanI
KAS/Parts/winch4
SXT/Parts/Mk2/SU27adaptor
FASA/ICBM/FASA_ICBM_Nosecone
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/mp_sr
BobCatind/Sovietengines/RD0124
AIES_Aerospace/Engine/AIESVR1vulcan
RealFuels/Parts/zzz_radiator
SXT/Parts/Engine/NERVA
SXT/Parts/Mk2/Mk2SAS
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESluzopl
FASA/Probes/Probe_Parachute_Box
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESaltguia
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-docking
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES top100 a1ur5
RemoteTech/Parts/GigaDish2
AIES_Aerospace/Science/AIESGravimeterretina
AIES_Aerospace/SAS/AIESsasadv4
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESdecouplersvblack
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Structural/s_radialattach
AIES_Aerospace/Electrical/AIESsolarPanelsuncat1
BobCatind/Sovietengines/RD180
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Structural/sm_adapters
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/1mVestaVR1
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/mp_l_vac
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESsatpropt300FuelTank
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESbaseinstru
KWRocketry/Parts/Aero/150mSRBTop
FASA/Mercury/FASA_Atlas_LFT_Cone
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/lfo_m_linearspike
SXT/Parts/Hull/CANIOT
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESSeparatormult
KWRocketry/Parts/Electrical/LargeRadialBatteries
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWFlatadapter3x1
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESdishomega
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESdesacoplador sat2
SXT/Parts/Command/probe
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern05
DMagicOrbitalScience/RoverScience/BioDrill
SovietPack/Parts/Proton/Proton_Bits
KWRocketry/Parts/Electrical/SmallRadialBatteries
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/HydrogenTanks/hydrogen-125
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/Adapters/adapter-25-125
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_MOL
KWRocketry/Parts/Aero/KWFinGC
DMagicOrbitalScience/UniversalStorage/USGoreSat
AIES_Aerospace/Electrical/AIESsolarpanelES1
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESDishPCf
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-adapter-25
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/kwstrutConnectorMedium
SXT/Parts/Hull/RadialFuel
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-curvedexpanding01
AIES_Aerospace/Electrical/AIESsolarPanelsfa
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_ASAS_MiniComp
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Lander_Pod
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESdishcomlar1
RemoteTech/Parts/LongDish2
RemoteTech/Parts/ShortDish1
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_3R310_EVA_EVAX
RemoteTech/Parts/LongDish1
KAS/Parts/container1
KAS/Parts/container2
SXT/Parts/Electrical/RTG
KWRocketry/Parts/RCS/KWrcsQuad
SXT/Parts/Utility/structuralPanel
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/lfo_s_lowengine
KWRocketry/Parts/RCS/KWrcsQuad45
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESlegstrotLanding
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWadapter3x2
AIES_Aerospace/SAS/AIESadvSascr3
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-hub
AIES_Aerospace/Command/AIEStor
AIES_Aerospace/Electrical/AIESsolarPanelsuncat2
BobCatind/Sovietengines/RD0146
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESdesacoplador sat1
SXT/Parts/Utility/capsuleHat
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESgod2Landing
KAS/Parts/cPort2
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-support
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESFueltanksul
DeadlyReentry/Parts/deadlyReentry_3.75Heatshield
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-circular01
SXT/Parts/Hull/375mFuel
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/ArgonTanks/argon-rad-125
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/solid_s_upper
SXT/Parts/Hull/NASA25m
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIEStankORB1
DMagicOrbitalScience/RoverScience/XRay
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LFTLong
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIEStankMER6
KWRocketry/Parts/Aero/KW5mNoseCone
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1P110_Wedge_Fuelcell
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1P140_Wedge_WRS
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1P130_Wedge_Sabatier
AIES_Aerospace/Aero/AIESconenoseram
AIES_Aerospace/Science/AIESThermometerMT1
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/2mGriffonG8D
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Structural/ml_frames
AIES_Aerospace/Engine/AIESengine exper
Space Factory/Voskhod/Descent
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/Adapters/adapter-rad-125
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWFlatadapter2x1
KAS/Parts/hook_magnet
KWRocketry/Parts/Aero/KWNoseCone
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/ec_arcjet
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1C10_Wedge_Quadcore
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Structural/s_stackdecouple
SXT/Parts/Engine/Kopo4e
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1D20_Wedge_Adapter_250
Space Factory/Voskhod/TDU system
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/Structures/docking-25
DMagicOrbitalScience/RoverScience/RoverGoo
AIES_Aerospace/RSCThruster/AIESrcsThrusterMT1
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Fairings_Plate_2m
HabitatPack/Parts/inflato1
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/mp_tr
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-fuel
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Electrical/m_solarpanel
DMagicOrbitalScience/ProbeScience/SoilMoisture
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/ArgonTanks/argon-25
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/Adapters/adapter-375-25
BobCatind/Sovietengines/RD191
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/lfo_s_highengine
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern06
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern02
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESdishCL1
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1C20_Wedge_Octocore
AIES_Aerospace/Engine/AIESengine mp1500mogul
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-static01
SXT/Parts/Command/Mk1BEntente
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-curved01
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESLRDecoupler
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/KW12mFairingCone
SCANsat/Parts/MapTraq
SXT/Parts/Mk3/Ramp
HabitatPack/Parts/inflatoFlat
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/XenonTanks/xenon-25
KWRocketry/Parts/Solids/SRBUllage
DeadlyReentry/Parts/deadlyReentry_6.25Heatshield
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESstrutsoporteC1
SXT/Parts/Command/Space2001/Monolith
BobCatind/Sovietengines/NK33
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/ArgonTanks/argon-125-2
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESmsRCSTank
KWRocketry/Parts/Aero/KWFin
AIES_Aerospace/Command/AIESorbiterpod
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESantennacomtec2
AIES_Aerospace/Electrical/AIESsolarPanelson1
HabitatPack/Parts/inflato2
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-xenon
AIES_Aerospace/Science/AIESBarometerPAP
DMagicOrbitalScience/ProbeScience/ImagingPlatform
RemoteTech/Parts/GigaDish1
KWRocketry/Parts/Solids/025mGlobeI
KAS/Parts/cPort1
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESantennaESC
DMagicOrbitalScience/UniversalStorage/USSolarParticles
SXT/Parts/Command/Ke111
SXT/Parts/Electrical/solarHex
AIES_Aerospace/Electrical/AIESradr
AIES_Aerospace/Engine/AIESdest5engine
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Electrical/mmrtg
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/3mGriffonXX
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESexpedLanding
SXT/Parts/Hull/fuselage/Old
AIES_Aerospace/Engine/AIESmicroEngineEX1
KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/KW5mFairingCone
AIES_Aerospace/RSCThruster/AIESrcsThrustermicro
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/2mVestaVR9D
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESantennaFD
Space Factory/Voskhod/Parachute
SXT/Parts/Command/Mk3Cockpit
SXT/Parts/Engine/KickMotor
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_Lander_Eng
KAS/Parts/containerBay1
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/FuelTank/mp_t_radial
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESgodLanding
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESrcs125ra
AIES_Aerospace/Command/AIESnova
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/XenonTanks/xenon-rad-125
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/mp_l_spike
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/XenonTanks/xenon-125-2
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIEStankMER1
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern04
KAS/Parts/strut1
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/HydrogenTanks/hydrogen-rad-0625
SXT/Parts/Hull/CargoBay1
BobCatind/Sovietengines/RD171
HabitatPack/Parts/orbitalorb
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/HydrogenTanks/hydrogen-rad-25
RealFuels/Parts/thermal_fin
KAS/Parts/winch3
KAS/Parts/pylon1
AIES_Aerospace/Command/AIESmoduldess
FASA/Gemini2/SmallGearBay
AIES_Aerospace/Command/AIESinvest
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESFueltank lunder
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES t1000v4
SXT/Parts/Command/Buzzard
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_spotLight2sm
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-hydrogen
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern03
KWRocketry/Parts/Engines/2mSPS
DMagicOrbitalScience/RoverScience/Laser
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/solid_s_srbs
RLA_Stockalike/Parts/Engine/ec_resistojet
SXT/Parts/Science/AvionicsNoseCone
KAS/Parts/pipe1
AIES_Aerospace/RSCThruster/AIESrcsThrusterom9
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/ArgonTanks/argon-125
BobCatind/Sovietengines/NK43
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1P120_Wedge_Elektron
NearFutureConstruction/Parts/LargeTruss/trusslrg-argon
HabitatPack/Parts/Basemount
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-static02
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-blanket01
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIESbaseF1
KWRocketry/Parts/Structural/KWFlatadapter3x2
AIES_Aerospace/Engine/AIESenginegalaxvr2
HabitatPack/Parts/centrifuge1
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-modern08
AIES_Aerospace/Science/AIESAccelerometerFGA
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIEStank MR1
AIES_Aerospace/Utility/AIESbatteryBAE
SXT/Parts/Engine/TinyJet
AIES_Aerospace/Antenna/AIESdishcmcomu
NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/HydrogenTanks/hydrogen-25
DMagicOrbitalScience/RoverScience/RoverMat
AIES_Aerospace/FuelTank/AIESTOEmtank
UniversalStorage/Parts/US_1R310_Wedge_CarbonDioxide
AIES_Aerospace/Structure/AIES top500 a1ur5
NearFutureSolar/Parts/SolarPanels/panel-blanket02
FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Gemini_LR91_Pack/FairingNosecone3M.cfgDeadlyReentry/Parts/UP_decoupler_2/part_3M.cfg

I can make no guarantees that this is correct, but it does seem to strip out nearly all the "Not supported by RP-0/non-RO" parts while leaving everything that belongs there in place. It saves me around 600 mb of RAM on loading, letting me play significantly longer between memory-leak-induced crashes, and I thought perhaps other people would be interested in it.

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2) I have a quick question about rocket design: my rockets' heading always seems to drift after I start my gravity turn. I always need to use SAS/Smart A.S.S./constant slight control adjustments to keep them on course. Is this a problem that can be solved with design or is it just a thing that happens?

I tend to use Mechjeb to assist with my launches. I normally set orbit altitude at 250km and Limit andle of attack to 10. All other options I leave off (especially Corrective steering). For my ascent path, I set my start altitude somewhere between 0.8-1.8km depending on my SLT, end altitude at 180, final angle at 5-10 and turn shape at 50%. Those settings have worked very well for me though I do take manual control once my Apoapsis is around 200km. But by then I'm usually in space so I don't have to make too many corrections.

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It seems like the tech requirements and specifications for the Atlas engines are a bit out of whack. According to what I'm reading:

1- The Atlas SLV-3 flew with an LR-105-5 (386.4kN, 316isp) and LR-89-5 (822.5kN, 290isp) yet neither of these configs are even options. And the LR-105-6, which I'd assume would be a better engine actually has lower thrust and isp.

2- The LR-105-7 and LR-89-7 both first flew in 1963 so they should be available somewhere between "Early-Hydrolox" and "Hydrolox". I have both of those researched but still lack the tech for these engine configurations. Base settings put them in vryHeavyRocketry, though I'm not sure what final tech they are ssociated with.

On a seperate note, I noticed that all the Atlas fuel tanks seem to have built in avionics packages but none of the Titan tanks do. Not sure if that is an oversite or if the Titan's really did have completely seperate avionics parts.

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Question, about non_suported parts in the recommended list of mods for RO-0. How are they not supported? (FYI I haven't updated to avionics since don't want to break save) In other words are they: not in the right tech node? not recommended for use? (i.e. could remove them from my part list due to lack of realism) Some other reason?

Also Comment on KCT. I decided I did not want to use it so I uninstalled via ckan. This bugged the save, load functions in KSP. I ended up doing a full re install without it. Just thought this might be useful for all to know before installing.

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Question, about non_suported parts in the recommended list of mods for RO-0. How are they not supported? (FYI I haven't updated to avionics since don't want to break save) In other words are they: not in the right tech node? not recommended for use? (i.e. could remove them from my part list due to lack of realism) Some other reason?

Non-supported parts are those that haven't been placed in the tech-tree. Because we're using the Community Tech Tree, they may already have the right position, but they haven't had a human go and verify that.

What we love most of all is when we receive contributions of part-placements. All the parts are in an easy-to-edit file, and if you have a free github account you can even make the edits in your web-browser. Once submitted, they go to a bot which automatically checks for common errors, and then our lovely maintainers who verify that everything looks good and merge the changes. Even if it's not clear how much things should cost, just getting part placements contributions is *wonderful*. :)

Indeed, one of the advantages of having the big "not supported by RP-0" labels is that they annoy me so much that I go and place the parts I want to see in my spacecraft.

Also Comment on KCT. I decided I did not want to use it so I uninstalled via ckan. This bugged the save, load functions in KSP. I ended up doing a full re install without it. Just thought this might be useful for all to know before installing.

Oh dear. That's possibly more a bug in KCT itself, although I believe it can be switched off on a per-save basis in the KCT settings panel, so you can potentially recover your old save if you wish (assuming you started a new career).

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All the parts are in an easy-to-edit file, and if you have a free github account you can even make the edits in your web-browser. Once submitted, they go to a bot which automatically checks for common errors, and then our lovely maintainers who verify that everything looks good and merge the changes. Even if it's not clear how much things should cost, just getting part placements contributions is *wonderful*. :)

Indeed, one of the advantages of having the big "not supported by RP-0" labels is that they annoy me so much that I go and place the parts I want to see in my spacecraft.

Thanks for the info, I was hoping you would tell me that some of the parts are redundant and could be discarded. I am running right at the memory limit and crashes happen about every fourth launch. Am looking for some minor memory gains to reduce the crash tendency. (already using ATM, OPENGL and Pruner.exe) I pruned all the RO_Global fairings and fuel Tanks. Not sure what to hit next.

I will check it out placing the node part placement. Though I am not sure how I would determine if it was in the right tech node. I know at least one of the engines seem overpowered for first tier and too efficient to be realistic (not that I would realy know) that is why I asked.

Oh dear. That's possibly more a bug in KCT itself, although I believe it can be switched off on a per-save basis in the KCT settings panel, so you can potentially recover your old save if you wish (assuming you started a new career).

~ pjf

I should have been more clear. It did not break the save load on the game as in time revert, but rather the save load craft buttons in the SPH and VBA. I am guessing it is because KCT takes over these function to a great extent when installed. I am guessing I should report this in the KCT thread as well and I probably will but since it is a recommended mod for RO-0 I thought people might want to know that if they install KCT they better plan on keeping it. I should note KCT worked as intended while installed with no bugs that I noticed.

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Thanks for the info, I was hoping you would tell me that some of the parts are redundant and could be discarded. I am running right at the memory limit and crashes happen about every fourth launch. Am looking for some minor memory gains to reduce the crash tendency. (already using ATM, OPENGL and Pruner.exe) I pruned all the RO_Global fairings and fuel Tanks. Not sure what to hit next.

Well assuming you don't want to contribute and configure the NON RP-0 parts, bear in mind that RP-0 itself supports only a fraction of the total supported RO mods, so if you have a lot of those installed, and need to save memory you can remove them.

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Capt. Kerk: Not intended, but it is known. Waiting on a new release of MechJeb so we can disable it easily.

mcirish3: We'd love to have the help! Stop by #RO on espernet (linked in the Realism Overhaul OP to a webchat page if you don't have an IRC client) and I or one of my compatriots will be happy to walk you through things.

Meanwhile, if you're using OpenGL mode, pruning parts isn't going to help very much--the part textures already shouldn't be taking up RAM anyway. What you might try is deleting the biome maps for the bodies you don't visit much (or swap them in and out dependening on which you're visitng). You can find them in CustomBiomes/Plugins/PluginData/ and subfolders, just rename the pngs to .bak for the bodies you want to disable. That'll free up a fair amount of RAM.

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Hi all! I'm having quite a lot of troubles in the first part of the carrier, the turbojet engines that I have to use just blow up everything they are attached to, and there are no radiators et similia to use, to keep everything cool. It is supposed to be so? is a bug? I have done something wrong? THank you!

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Turbojet? What turbojet? There should be no jets available whatsoever in the starting node, and (if you have AJE) a few available if you start unlocking the aero nodes. Can you name exactly what part(s) you're using and what mods? Note that if a part says "non-RP0" believe it.

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Also Comment on KCT. I decided I did not want to use it so I uninstalled via ckan. This bugged the save, load functions in KSP. I ended up doing a full re install without it. Just thought this might be useful for all to know before installing.

I should have been more clear. It did not break the save load on the game as in time revert, but rather the save load craft buttons in the SPH and VBA. I am guessing it is because KCT takes over these function to a great extent when installed. I am guessing I should report this in the KCT thread as well and I probably will but since it is a recommended mod for RO-0 I thought people might want to know that if they install KCT they better plan on keeping it. I should note KCT worked as intended while installed with no bugs that I noticed.

I'd like to hear more about this, if you're willing. For clarification, after removing KCT you could no longer save or load craft? I'd love to see logs from this, but I doubt you have them anymore. If anyone else in this thread sees similar behavior in the future, please let me know in the KCT thread. KCT doesn't actually touch the load or save craft buttons (except to disable them when a KCT window is open in the editor, or when "editing" a craft) so I don't know off the top of my head what would have caused that issue.

Maybe it's my secret way of locking people in once they start using KCT... ;) /s I wouldn't actually do that :P People should be able to add and remove mods whenever they want, so I don't want to wreck any saves on accident by removing my mods.

Speaking of KCT, have you guys reworked your KCT configs yet? I've got a couple changes I want to make tonight for a future... thing... (there's a day coming up soon that I want to have a little fun on, but I need to add the code into the next release ;) ) and then I think it's ready for release. I don't want to update and then suddenly have things break for you.

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Have not yet, but I'll put something together to be ready for ya. :)

You can always keep everything how you have it now, but you'll still need to make at least a small update since I removed the separate max values in the formula cfg in favor of using the min() function. If you don't change accordingly, the prices will just keep going up when people buy upgrades, so it shouldn't (hopefully) break anything too badly if someone uses an older config. Then you can spend some time making bigger changes later if you want. Unfortunately, the current release version isn't forward compatible, so you can't put out that config until the update :/

I could maybe add some functionality to read in the "max" values and wrap the existing formula in a min() with that max. I'll actually probably do that since I'm afraid people aren't going to remove their old configs when they update (especially if they install through CKAN). So it looks like you won't have to worry too much after all, so take your time, haha :D

Edit: Build 98 of KCT has code that should auto-update any existing configs, so no need to rush. Things should be exactly the same for end users after they update, meaning you can take your time with playing with the other options if you want. Sorry if I made you feel rushed at all!

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Sorry, missed this.

It seems like the tech requirements and specifications for the Atlas engines are a bit out of whack. According to what I'm reading:

1- The Atlas SLV-3 flew with an LR-105-5 (386.4kN, 316isp) and LR-89-5 (822.5kN, 290isp) yet neither of these configs are even options. And the LR-105-6, which I'd assume would be a better engine actually has lower thrust and isp.

2- The LR-105-7 and LR-89-7 both first flew in 1963 so they should be available somewhere between "Early-Hydrolox" and "Hydrolox". I have both of those researched but still lack the tech for these engine configurations. Base settings put them in vryHeavyRocketry, though I'm not sure what final tech they are ssociated with.

On a seperate note, I noticed that all the Atlas fuel tanks seem to have built in avionics packages but none of the Titan tanks do. Not sure if that is an oversite or if the Titan's really did have completely seperate avionics parts.

LR-105 and LR-89 are both kerolox engines. They will be in the regular rocketry nodes, not the hydrolox nodes (hydrolox nodes are for hydrolox). According to this table, which we've found on the whole to be the most accurate, the LR-105-5 did not have those specs, and neither did the LR-89-5 (those are closest to the specs of the LR-105-NA-7.1 and LR-89-NA-6 respectively).

The Titan upper stages do. Titan was a two-stage LV (later, three or four stage) and the main avionics were on the upper stage (the one you put the LR-91 on).

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I'd like to hear more about this, if you're willing. For clarification, after removing KCT you could no longer save or load craft? I'd love to see logs from this, but I doubt you have them anymore. If anyone else in this thread sees similar behavior in the future, please let me know in the KCT thread. KCT doesn't actually touch the load or save craft buttons (except to disable them when a KCT window is open in the editor, or when "editing" a craft) so I don't know off the top of my head what would have caused that issue.

Maybe it's my secret way of locking people in once they start using KCT... ;) /s I wouldn't actually do that :P People should be able to add and remove mods whenever they want, so I don't want to wreck any saves on accident by removing my mods.

Speaking of KCT, have you guys reworked your KCT configs yet? I've got a couple changes I want to make tonight for a future... thing... (there's a day coming up soon that I want to have a little fun on, but I need to add the code into the next release ;) ) and then I think it's ready for release. I don't want to update and then suddenly have things break for you.

Sorry mate, I dumped them and the whole save right away. I need to get better about keeping log files.

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It sure got harder to make sounding rockets without SRB'a D: but enjoying this update nevertheless! Thanks!

Wait, did we remove SRBs from starting tech? That doesn't sound like something we'd do intentionally. Can you expand a little?

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Wait, did we remove SRBs from starting tech? That doesn't sound like something we'd do intentionally. Can you expand a little?

All we have now is Areobee engine and Tiny Tim rocket from the starting tech. I got myself into a problem where its barely impossible to even get up and finish the first sounding rocket record contract because of no control. Only one way to get it... Well either cheat or have good luck with it. I see no other way around

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