Kethane Station Discussion

[MissionController3134]

I fixed them for you

[2SPOOKY4U]

Lol, I feel like I helped start a thing. The B9 Battlestars! Anyway I will create a class system for you HatBat, expect it today or early tomorrow morning. I have some experience with military design( I worked on propellants for tank shells and some missile projects as well) and it's also a hobby for me. I'll send it to you and you can copy&paste into the OP.

[War Eagle 1]

I plan on adding 3 more craft tomorrow as well as making some minor edits to the manifests so you will need to re-download them. I ll let you know when everything is updated.

[Halban]

Lol, I feel like I helped start a thing. The B9 Battlestars! Anyway I will create a class system for you HatBat, expect it today or early tomorrow morning. I have some experience with military design( I worked on propellants for tank shells and some missile projects as well) and it's also a hobby for me. I'll send it to you and you can copy&paste into the OP.

Sorry, I guess I was being a little confusing there. What I mean is: I'm having to guess which category the ships fit into using the system I've already created under the Ship Requirements section of the OP. Class is a completely different thing that I'm not really taking any notice of as it doesn't affect the rules for each different submission like category does. As I said earlier, if you think your ship fits into a certain category: then you're free to put it in there and follow the rules of that category, but you must be reasonable and careful when deciding because if I decide that you chose the wrong category and switch you too a different one... then it means you may have to redesign your ship following the different mod related rules that come with every category. And that could be a real pain in the ass. However when choosing the class for your ship you can be as creative as you want because class doesn't make any real difference to how you build your ship as far as the submission rules are concerned.

So to summarise: I'm not in need of a new class system 2SPOOKY, what I need is for people to go back and make it clear what category their ship fits into using the system under the ship requirements of the OP. An extra system defining class might be fun to try but it doesn't effect the submission at all, and may just be extra confusion.

I plan on adding 3 more craft tomorrow as well as making some minor edits to the manifests so you will need to re-download them. I ll let you know when everything is updated.

Can't wait for the new ships, I was so impressed with the 'StarFighter' submission, that it's probably going to replace the Raptor fighters I 'borrowed' from Rune to use in the new carrier. Oh, and you might want to add a download for .txt for the manifest. I'm afraid I don't actually have Word. I've always used Photoshop or Adobe Story for writing xD

Edited September 2, 2014 by HatBat

[MissionController3134]

I'm in the process of designing a new fighter for use in a B9 Battlestar or another carrier.

[War Eagle 1]

Can't wait for the new ships, I was so impressed with the 'StarFighter' submission, that it's probably going to replace the Raptor fighters I 'borrowed' from Rune to use in the new carrier. Oh, and you might want to add a download for .txt for the manifest. I'm afraid I don't actually have Word. I've always used Photoshop or Adobe Story for writing xD

Ok I just found a work around so I ll update both manifest files as txt. later today.

I ll be adding a tank to the regular files and a transport and ion glider to the other file. After that I might take a break from adding ships for a while unless I get a huge dose of inspiration.

BTW Is there anything specific you want me to try to make? I can't promise anything but I can try.

Edited September 2, 2014 by War Eagle 1

[Halban]

Ok I just found a work around so I ll update both manifest files as txt. later today.

I ll be adding a tank to the regular files and a transport and ion glider to the other file. After that I might take a break from adding ships for a while unless I get a huge dose of inspiration.

BTW Is there anything specific you want me to try to make? I can't promise anything but I can try.

Well, adding some additional modular/easily reloadable stock weapons on the StarFighter would be great. As having only modded weapons on a ship can make combat a little boring sometimes.

[War Eagle 1]

You're right about confusion HatBat, it's impossible to make one with the terminology of today's naval classing system. Each one has a specific role such as anti submarine or dedicated missile carrier. It is difficult to translate it into KSP warships like this one.

But I managed to do it!

B9 Battlestars

Carriers

Escort Carriers

Battleship

Battlecruiser

Destroyer

Frigate

Corvette

Heavy Fighter

Carrier based fighter

These are the basic terms I have come up with, I am making a chart with engine and part specifications and I'm collecting data on the part counts and delta V, as well as engine and weapons mounted. It's actually going to be extremely helpful. I promise

Camulus 777's system of classification. Used in the oringial battle thread

Light fighters < 8.1t

Medium fighters 8.1 - 13t

Heavy fighters 13.1 - 27t

Attacker 27.1 - 35t

Bomber 35.1 - 40t

Corvette 40.1 - 50t

Frigate 50.1 - 65t

Destroyer 65.1 - 80t

Cruiser 80.1 - 100t

Battle Cruiser 100.1t - 150t

Battleship 150.1 - 200t

Dreadnaught 200.1 <

Carriers

Light < 50.1t

Medium 50.1 - 100t

Heavy 100.1 - 150t

Super Heavy 150.1 <

[2SPOOKY4U]

Thank you War Eagle 1, that's actually saved me a lot of finding and creating. I'll use that heavily, you have my thanks.

[2SPOOKY4U]

Here it is, Spooky Classification System 1.2!

(I will be making revisions later)

Warships(ship2ship)

Dreadnought: 200.1t<

Battleship:150.1-200t

Battlecruiser: 100.1t-150t

Cruiser: 80.-100t

Destroyer: 65.1-80t

Frigate: 50.1-65t

Corvette: 40.1-50t

Prowler: 30-150t

Assault ships(space2ground)

Heavy Bomber:35.1-40

Exo-Atmospheric Bomber:50.5-65

Attacker(carries tanks or troops):40-80t

Dropship(Lighter version of the attacker): 20-40t

Fighters:

Heavy(SSTO or/and limited interplanetary capability)13.1-27t

Light(Launched from pad):8.1-13t

Space Carrier based(obvious):<8t

Carriers:

Heavy:100.1-150t

Medium:50.1-100t

Escort:<50.1t

[Megalodon 720]

Camulus 777's system of classification. Used in the oringial battle thread

Light fighters < 8.1t

Medium fighters 8.1 - 13t

Heavy fighters 13.1 - 27t

Attacker 27.1 - 35t

Bomber 35.1 - 40t

Corvette 40.1 - 50t

Frigate 50.1 - 65t

Destroyer 65.1 - 80t

Cruiser 80.1 - 100t

Battle Cruiser 100.1t - 150t

Battleship 150.1 - 200t

Dreadnaught 200.1 <

Carriers

Light < 50.1t

Medium 50.1 - 100t

Heavy 100.1 - 150t

Super Heavy 150.1 <

Thanks, now I know that my Victory class is too heavy to be a battleship

EDIT: Terra Nova weighs 19694830 tons, is it still just a dreadnought?

Edited September 2, 2014 by Megalodon 720

[Halban]

I've added the system to the OP

[Spartwo]

>snip<

That system was never used. Bannon's was the one in use.

Kerbal Space Program Ship Designation Scheme

[Organization/Role][ship Structure][Weight class][Theater of Operation]-[specialization][series Number][special Designation]

Organization/Role

M – Military (All military aligned craft fall under this category)

G – Government (All government aligned craft fall under this category)

S – Scientific/Research (All Scientific/Research and Exploration vessels fall under this category)

T – Transport (All Civilian shuttles and Commercial cargo falls under this category)

L – Logistical (All infrastructural and logistical craft fall under this category)

R – Recreational (All Luxury craft fall under this category)

C – Commercial (All commerce related non-transport craft fall under this category)

Ship Structure

M – Modular (All ships which have detachable components that are critical to the ship’s design. May include up to multiple Senior docking ports for the modularity of the ship. Does not include craft with detachable components that are not critical to the ship’s design)

S – Singular (All ships which have no detachable components whatsoever that are critical to the ship’s design. May include docking ports only up to regular docking ports for logistical or transport purposes only. Does not include craft with any detachable critical components.)

D – Discarding (All ships which have detachable components that are not critical to the ships design. May include up to senior docking ports for the purposes of logistics, transport, or mission-critical operations. Does not include craft which have detachable components that are critical to the ship’s design)

Weight class

S – Super Heavy (All ships above 250 tons falls under this category)

H – Heavy (All ships between 150 and 250 tons falls under this category)

M – Medium (All ships between 50 and 150 tons falls under this category)

L – Light (All ships below 50 tons falls under this category)

Theater of Operation

A – Atmospheric (All atmosphere bounded craft fall under this category)

I – Interplanetary (All craft capable of exiting and re-entering planetary orbits fall under this category)

L – Terrestrial (All craft bound to the surface of a planetary body fall under this category

O – Orbital (All craft bounded by the orbit of a planetary body fall under this category)

T – Trans-operational (All craft capable of self-contained transfer between any of the above mentioned theatres of operation.)

Specialization

Military

A – Cruiser (All ‘Heavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships that fall below 500 parts.)

B – Battleship (All ‘Super Heavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships between 500 and 700 parts fall under this category.)

C – Carrier (All ships that carry other craft that engage in direct or indirect combat with other ships fall under this category.)

D – Destroyer (All ‘Medium’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships below 500 parts.)

E – Frigate (All ‘Light’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships between 200 and 500 parts fall under this category.)

F – Strikecraft (All ‘Light’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships below 200 parts fall under this category.)

L – Engineering and Logistics (All ships that perform non-combat support roles in the maintenance and operation of military assets falls under this category.)

T – Transport (All ships that carry other craft that do not engage in combat with other ships fall under this category.)

V – Multirole (All ships that perform significantly varied roles fall under this category.)

X – Prototype (All experimental ships fall under this category.)

BA – Battlecruiser (All ‘Heavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships between 500 and 700 parts.)

BB – Dreadnaught (All ‘Super Heavy’ ships that engage direct combat with other ships above 700 parts fall under this category.)

Government

Scientific/Research

Transport

Logistical

Recreational

Commercial

Series Number

[self-explanatory]

Special Designation

[Optional. Internally determined by fielding organization]

Military

Engine type

IE – Ion Engine (All Ships with Ion Engines as a primary propulsion system fall under this category)

LE – Liquid Engine (All Ships with Liquid Fuel Engines as a primary propulsion system fall under this category)

AE – Atmospheric Engine (All Ships with Liquid Fuel Air-breathing Engines as a primary propulsion system fall under this category)

H – Hybrid (All Ships with a hybrid engine setup fall under this category)

Following this system, the baseline Chimera would be designated MMHI-V01 being a modular interplanetary military ship which happens to also fill multiple roles (Direct combat ship and Carrier) and is the first ship of the series. The Firefly on the other hand would be MMLO-F01IE being an orbital light strikecraft with the capability to mount additional modules that is the first in its series. Of note the [special Designation] for this is for the type of engine used by the original Firefly with IE denoting Ion Engine Propulsion as I'm also developing an LE variant.

All of this of course is just a suggestion and in many ways, is still WIP so I'm also sharing this so that it can be improved upon and modified if necessary.

Kerbal Space Program Ship Designation Scheme

[Organization/Role][ship Structure][Weight class][Theater of Operation]-[specialization][series Number][special Designation]

Organization/Role

M – Military (All military aligned craft fall under this category)

G – Government (All government aligned craft fall under this category)

S – Scientific/Research (All Scientific/Research and Exploration vessels fall under this category)

T – Transport (All Civilian shuttles and Commercial cargo falls under this category)

L – Logistical (All infrastructural and logistical craft fall under this category)

R – Recreational (All Luxury craft fall under this category)

C – Commercial (All commerce related non-transport craft fall under this category)

Ship Structure

M – Modular (All ships which have detachable components that are critical to the ship’s design. May include up to multiple Senior docking ports for the modularity of the ship. Does not include craft with detachable components that are not critical to the ship’s design)

S – Singular (All ships which have no detachable components whatsoever that are critical to the ship’s design. May include docking ports only up to regular docking ports for logistical or transport purposes only. Does not include craft with any detachable critical components.)

D – Discarding (All ships which have detachable components that are not critical to the ships design. May include up to senior docking ports for the purposes of logistics, transport, or mission-critical operations. Does not include craft which have detachable components that are critical to the ship’s design)

Weight class

U – Ultra Heavy (All ships above 280 tons fall into this category)

S - Superheavy (All ships between 140 and 280 tons fall into this category)

H – Heavy (All ships between 75 and 140 tons fall into this category)

M – Medium (All ships between 25 and 75 tons fall into this category)

L – Light (All ships below 25 tons fall into this category)

UL - Ultralight (All ships below 10 tons fall into this category)

Theater of Operation

A – Atmospheric (All atmosphere bounded craft fall under this category)

I – Interplanetary (All craft capable of exiting and re-entering planetary orbits fall under this category)

L – Terrestrial (All craft bound to the surface of a planetary body fall under this category

O – Orbital (All craft bounded by the orbit of a planetary body fall under this category)

T – Trans-operational (All craft capable of self-contained transfer between any of the above mentioned theatres of operation.)

Specialization

Military

L – Light fighter (All ‘Ultralight’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of wing armor)

M – Medium Fighter (All ‘Light’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of wing armor)

H – Heavy fighter (All ‘Light' ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of plate armor)

B – Bomber (All ‘Medium ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of wing armor)

F – Frigate (All ‘Medium’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of plate armor)

C – Corvette (All ‘Heavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of wing armor)

D – Destroyer (All ‘Heavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of plate armor)

CR – Cruiser (All ‘Superheavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of wing armor)

BA – Battlecruiser (All ‘Superheavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of plate armor)

MW – Man o'war (All ‘Ultraheavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of wing armor)

DR – Dreadnought (All ‘Ultraheavy’ ships that engage in direct combat with other ships consisting primarily of plate armor)

LC – Light carrier (All 'Heavy' that carry other craft that engage in direct or indirect combat with other ships fall under this category)

MC – Medium carrier (All 'Superheavy' ships that carry other craft that engage in direct or indirect combat with other ships fall under this category)

HC – Heavy carrier (All 'Ultraheavy' ships that carry other craft that engage in direct or indirect combat with other ships fall under this category)

E – Engineering and Logistics (All ships that perform non-combat support roles in the maintenance and operation of military assets falls under this category.)

T – Transport (All ships that carry other craft that do not engage in combat with other ships fall under this category.)

X – Prototype (All experimental ships fall under this category.)

Series Number

[self-explanatory]

Special Designation

[Optional. Internally determined by fielding organization]

Engine type

IE – Ion Engine (All Ships with Ion Engines as a primary propulsion system fall under this category)

LE – Liquid Engine (All Ships with Liquid Fuel Engines as a primary propulsion system fall under this category)

AE – Atmospheric Engine (All Ships with Liquid Fuel Air-breathing Engines as a primary propulsion system fall under this category)

H – Hybrid (All Ships with a hybrid engine setup fall under this category)

Edited September 5, 2014 by Spartwo

[Megalodon 720]

Have you considered the idea of having either side capture each other's ships? Perhaps HKA could repair the Dreadnought above Duna and use it as their own. Ship capturing was especially popular in the Napoleonic wars, in fact, 21 French and Spanish ships were captured by the British at Trafalgar but were lost in the resul...

Oh, sorry went of topic there.

[2SPOOKY4U]

A bit much Spartwo no? It definitely is impressive I'll say that much.

[Halban]

Have you considered the idea of having either side capture each other's ships? Perhaps HKA could repair the Dreadnought above Duna and use it as their own. Ship capturing was especially popular in the Napoleonic wars, in fact, 21 French and Spanish ships were captured by the British at Trafalgar but were lost in the resul...

Oh, sorry went of topic there.

lol, you sort of just spoilt the plot there. Gonna have to rewrite some of it now xD

[Megalodon 720]

Oh, oops

[Spartwo]

A bit much Spartwo no? It definitely is impressive I'll say that much.

I thought so too and trimmed it down a bit for personal use. I just need to find it.

[War Eagle 1]

Just added the new manifest. Crafts downloads not available but will be soon.

Please let me know if the text edit files work this time.

Edit: added the tank in the atmospheric file and the transport in the other file. I ll add the ion glider later

Edited September 2, 2014 by War Eagle 1

[Halban]

The new additions look great and the manifest works... sort of. The majority of the text is located in two lines and it's surrounded by code that I think is due to the way formatting works in Pages or whatever you used to write this one. Here's a fool proof guide for how to use media fire instead, all you need to do is copy paste the manifest

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http://www./view/xf2sd9t7dkmd5rm/GMI%204%20LIFE.txt

Edited September 2, 2014 by HatBat

[War Eagle 1]

The new additions look great and the manifest works... sort of. The majority of the text is located in two lines and it's surrounded by code that I think it due to the way formatting works in Pages or whatever you used to write this one. Here's a fool proof guide for how to use media fire instead, all you need to do is copy paste the manifest

I copied everything I wrote on the pages and pasted it to textfile. Honestly I really don't know what else to do.

Also I found another mod that might be interesting. Caterpillar tracks. Basically, its tank treads. I ll see what it looks like on the alpha and give you a pic if it looks and works good.

Edit: OOHHH ok I ll try that out later. I ll PM you first to see if I finally got it right before I post it

And congrats on 5000 views

Edited September 2, 2014 by War Eagle 1

[ScriptKitt3h]

So, HatBat... You might wanna check your PM inbox...

[MissionController3134]

The UKN has produced a new fighter outfit for carrier combat. The M24 Sparrow is a light, agile fighter used for carrier versus carrier combat. It has 2-50 cal machine guns and 4 missile pods.

Imgur link: http://imgur.com/a/IzQMB

Download: https://www./?qmqxr84ouq5tmm5

Edited September 4, 2014 by MissionController3134

[War Eagle 1]

The UKN has produced a new fighter outfit for carrier combat. The M24 Sparrow is a light, agile fighter used for carrier versus carrier combat. It has 2-50 cal machine guns and 4 missile pods.

Imgur link: http://imgur.com/a/IzQMB

What mod is the rocket pods?

Edit: I have official updated the manifest to txt file.

Will start work on "Other" manifest soon

[Halban]

What mod is the rocket pods?

Edit: I have official updated the manifest to txt file.

Will start work on "Other" manifest soon

They're from BD Armoury. However I did say that the missile related functions of the mod were only permitted for ground support. So they might not be staying on there, it depends how powerful they are. I've yet to test them.