Frybert Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) So the new fairings don't weigh anything at all and the fairing base weighs (literately) a ton? Really?ETA:http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/116910-Am-I-missing-something-or-stock-fairings-are-masslessETA 2:Ok so according to the Devs the mass of the fairing is supposed to be applied to the mass of the base. This is not occurring either.ETA3: Fixed. Edited May 1, 2015 by Frybert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaSilisko Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So there's not actually any reason at all to jettison them before you need to get the payload out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Seems that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klgraham1013 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This is strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotoro Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This is craziness. How could this have been missed? I certainly recall them talking beforehand about how people could use giant fairings, but they'd be taking a huge hit from the mass penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaSilisko Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hrm. I mean, the Falcon 9 fairing weighs something like 2-4 metric tons, so the time at which you jettison a payload fairing should be fairly important - not so soon that drag wrecks your ship, but not so late you lose a lot of performance from the extra mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hcube Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 actually i think that the fairings DO weigh something depending on their size, but ALL the mass is contained in the base ! having a smaller fairing is better, lighter, but once you jettison it the base stays in place, ALONG WITH THE MASS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EladDv Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 wow! did we get a wrong copy of early expirimental or were we just right for thinking squad couldnt deal with all the bugs and changes with a small QA and Exp. teams? i mean we arent forgiving but these are probably stuff that others will but still they should have done a 0.95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 actually i think that the fairings DO weigh something depending on their size, but ALL the mass is contained in the base ! having a smaller fairing is better, lighter, but once you jettison it the base stays in place, ALONG WITH THE MASSAh yes. The weight of the base changes with the size of the fairings, but doesn't go down after jettison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddenis Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Fairings are massless by design... http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/116910-Am-I-missing-something-or-stock-fairings-are-massless I really can't get why it's so.- - - Updated - - -actually i think that the fairings DO weigh something depending on their size, but ALL the mass is contained in the base ! having a smaller fairing is better, lighter, but once you jettison it the base stays in place, ALONG WITH THE MASSAh yes. The weight of the base changes with the size of the fairings, but doesn't go down after jettison.Nope, the mass of fairings isn't added to the base. Edited April 27, 2015 by ddenis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Well that is...disappointing to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EladDv Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 so what is the purpose of heaving less fairings?this is ridiculous! why then have fairing sizes at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotoro Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Ah yes. The weight of the base changes with the size of the fairings, but doesn't go down after jettison.So... the only way to use stock fairings well would be to enclose your payload AND orbital insertion stage inside the fairing so that the fairing base can be dumped as soon as possible? That's going to be a difficult design to optimize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hcube Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Procedural fairings, KW fairings, FAR fairings, here we come ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Fairings are massless by design... http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/116910-Am-I-missing-something-or-stock-fairings-are-massless I really can't get why it's so.- - - Updated - - -Nope, the mass of fairings isn't added to the base.Indeed. The GUI says mass is going up, but it actually doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaSilisko Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So... the only way to use stock fairings well would be to enclose your payload AND orbital insertion stage inside the fairing so that the fairing base can be dumped as soon as possible? That's going to be a difficult design to optimize.Well, I guess that's what the Atlas V 5XX does, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nholzric Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 so what is the purpose of heaving less fairings?this is ridiculous! why then have fairing sizes at all?The "mass" of the fairings probably counts towards the mass limit of the VHB or Launch Pad. Without upgrading the buildings you might be unable to fit fairings around a large payload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falloutaddict Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 But fairings do weigh something... I just checked it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddenis Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 But fairings do weigh something... I just checked it out...How have you checked? Don't trust everything that's written in the engineering report. Moderator's answer:The fairing panels don't have mass by design, only the bases, and if this is the worst fail in 1.0 then Squad did pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hcube Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 pretty sure this isnt the worst fail in 1.0.....Hey, i still think that ksp 1.0 is awesome btw, im criticizing, and i think many things are wrong but i love it overall ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I remember seeing streamers pointing out that fairings actually weight depending on how you biuld them, and it was showing all the numbers and such. Might be a bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So... the only way to use stock fairings well would be to enclose your payload AND orbital insertion stage inside the fairing so that the fairing base can be dumped as soon as possible? That's going to be a difficult design to optimize.Vulcan does this three stage where first is SRB, second stage is inside fairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I remember seeing streamers pointing out that fairings actually weight depending on how you biuld them, and it was showing all the numbers and such. Might be a bug?The GUI when you're building the fairing says it weighs more, but the actual weight doesn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pincushionman Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Do the interstage engine shrouds (the ones we've always had) have mass? The engine could be treating them the same way, and it may have been overlooked for that reason. It just makes a real difference now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelib Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 There's a lot of assumptions being made that parts have mass at certain points based on MODS ... how can we be sure MODS like KER aren't incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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