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5 hours ago, Mikki said:

We have some heavy duty machines running from that era still running fine with no issues. Way better than new ones.
I rarely watch TV, so can`t tell much about.

Two issues with machinery: first how often is it used, second is how flimsy is it. 
Plenty of equipment around who is more than 50 years old as its sturdy and not used that much.

Complexity matters too, an 100 year old two barrel shotgun works just as well as an modern one as this is an simple mechanic. 
Yes the modern one solves some of the issues the old one had like softer recoil and easier to operate safety switch.

Add price, people replace $1000 equipment with $100 ones and expect new one to be as good. 

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22 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said:

The cars from that era, however...

...Suffered greatly from increasing emission standards and lack of a competent service workforce. How many people in the '80s could actually work on (or had the equipment to work on) computerized carburetors or throttle body injection especially when mixed with vacuum operated emissions parts. By the '90s, the workforce and the service equipment was much better. People in the '70s complained about their modern cars not being as good as '50s cars mostly because they didn't understand how the 'new' stuff was put together or how to diagnose problems. It's common with new technology to hear the complaint that stuff now is not as good as before when, in fact, new stuff is often much better just less understood. And, planned obsolescence was firmly embraced 70+ years ago. So thinking that older tech was more reliable generally is just not true. Sure, you can point to things here and there but, generally, older is just older. 

And this 5G stuff just seems like a solution to the not enough bandwidth in high population density areas problem. It very likely will not offer anything anyone actually needs (who NEEDS a smart phone anyway?) more than a bit better service reliability. I am sure it will be billed and hyped as a great step forward in technology only to justify increased cost to the customers. Better? Sure, if you live in a large city. Irrelevant everywhere else. Worth the cost is a whole different conversation(and subjective).

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15 hours ago, magnemoe said:

Two issues with machinery: first how often is it used, second is how flimsy is it. 
Plenty of equipment around who is more than 50 years old as its sturdy and not used that much.

Complexity matters too, an 100 year old two barrel shotgun works just as well as an modern one as this is an simple mechanic. 
Yes the modern one solves some of the issues the old one had like softer recoil and easier to operate safety switch.

Add price, people replace $1000 equipment with $100 ones and expect new one to be as good. 

...Mining excavators, Dumptrucks, Stonemills, Drillrigs, Aggregate Separators and Tunneldrills... They get occasionally new pumps, motors and electric upgrades but the hardware itself is basically immortal when properly maintained.

We have a certain installation in which the second (...:wink:) clock stopped at more than 70`000 hours running, and we haven`t replaced the second clock years ago.

Doesn`t make sense, the rather large machine has gained millions ande millions of income, and doesn`t show any signs of stopping doing so. Epic engineering features, hats off to our Dads and Grandpa`s.

Our regular small cars and small trucks are wrecked after 7-12 years, basically scrapped. Nothing unusual here aswell. 

 

  

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2 hours ago, AngrybobH said:

(who NEEDS a smart phone anyway?)

There are a few people who probably do. Journalists, etc., have jobs that are drastically changed by having access to information from a smart phone remotely. Also people whose jobs are "ap-based" probably actually need one.

Not only do I not need one -- I don't have one.

Edited by mikegarrison

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1 hour ago, Mikki said:

...Mining excavators, Dumptrucks, Stonemills, Drillrigs, Aggregate Separators and Tunneldrills... They get occasionally new pumps, motors and electric upgrades but the hardware itself is basically immortal when properly maintained.

We have a certain installation in which the second (...:wink:) clock stopped at more than 70`000 hours running, and we haven`t replaced the second clock years ago.

Doesn`t make sense, the rather large machine has gained millions ande millions of income, and doesn`t show any signs of stopping doing so. Epic engineering features, hats off to our Dads and Grandpa`s.

Our regular small cars and small trucks are wrecked after 7-12 years, basically scrapped. Nothing unusual here aswell. 

 

It makes some sense, if you build heavy machinery who need to be heavy to soak up vibrations and stand in place unless you have other needs like protection from rollover up to armor you just make the frame heavier. And outside of locomotives its not that fails is much of an safety issue if they fail 
An economical one yes but not much of an safety one. Other parts who can blow up is but not the frame. 

Cars on the other hand is trapped in the triangle between cost, performance and pollution/ fuel use. Durability hurt all three, add all sort of bonus features like way more electronic than an space shuttle. 

Its no marked for very cheap cars in the west, people who want an cheap car buy used cars.

Second hand marker enforces some level of durability. Average life of cars in Norway is 18 years. 
Inflated by very high car taxes and an very spread out country where lots of places you need an car. 

And yes rate of use matter, industrial equipment tend to be used all the time Cars not so much. 
The shotguns who last an century is the ones used  the yearly duck hunt and some training, you can wreck an gun in an hour,. soldiers has done this doing suppressive fire over time. 
Kind of how one engine on an plane failed because some value failed so the other engine has to do all the work so its scrap metal while the other engine needs to replace the valve. 

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