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Well, It's Something. I hope there will be an option to have the domes sit flat somehow. That would make it able to flow nicely into Planetary Base Systems.
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Pretty sure I know the answer, but I'll ask just to be sure. Since RSS is still on 1.8, Parallax configs for RSS are not likely to happen anytime soon, correct?
Looks beautiful though.
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Kinda off topic, since the topic of the week seems to be WOLF, but has anyone done any big installations using the Atlas domes? I’m planning on kolonizing the Jovian system in RSS and am looking for some construction inspiration for a giant garden on Europa. I see that there are some new parts coming soon, but since I’m still on 1.8, new releases might break my hack job of an install. 5 way symmetry is a structure I have never played with before. Gonna take a new thought process.
Thnx.
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I got the newest release working in RO and I just have to say, this is absolutely glorious. I had started a large MKS mission to Jupiter in a 1.7 RO install, with the intention of leaning heavily on gravity assists from the moons to move around the Jovian system. After working with it a bit though, I realized the stock system putting everything on a tilt was going to make missions to and from the surfaces of the moons vastly more difficult than they should be. Enter Principia. With everything in a nice flat plane, and the incredibly powerful tool (IMHO) of being able to set different plotting frames(Beautiful Multiple Flyby), the first phase of the mission has gone SOOO much better and quicker. And to my wonderful amazement, the actual magnitude of the effect of a close pass by Io on my orbit around Jupiter is Significantly increased from the stock system. Like, almost a Factor of 2 increase. Which does make sense since I'm actually feeling the gravity of Io perpetually, rather than just during the time that I am in Io's (absolutely miniscule ~6000km) SOI. After only a couple days, I am not sure if I will ever be able to go back to plain 2-body systems. And I haven't even done anything too fancy yet. My first test is going to be to see if the Jupiter-Europa L2 point is remotely stable (though I kind of doubt it, maybe the Ganymede L1?)
I have to echo again all of the thanks to you for your work on this mod.
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My solar panels seem to all be producing double the energy the claim to be. Resource panel versus Part properties. Screeny I thought it might be related to NearFuture Solar, but I removed all of the NearFuture mods and still have double charge.
Also, almost all of the stock vessels show locked or missing parts. Screeny
Everything installed via CKAN.
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Are the compiled binaries for old versions still available for download anywhere?
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Finally able to game again, had a look at your modules and tried to patch them into some new parts. Since these are their own Systemheat converters/generators, it doesn't seem likely that this will be able to mesh with USI or other mods, unless I'm wrong?
It does look really nice in the VAB, though it can get a bit crowded.
Spoiler
I would guess most of my problems are related to all the other mods. I'll have to make a vanilla copy and see if they're reproducible.
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I’ll throw in another vote for Freespace. Their modding community is pretty solid, nothing like here, but still.
I was having fun with Starpoint Gemini: Warlords a while back. Good game but if you aren’t careful, you can get backed into a corner and screwed.
Also for those interested in board games, Firefly The Game is most excellent.
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The unfortunate reality that every attempt to fight a ‘big corporation’ is not just impossible, it’s practically not a meaningful concept. The damage is being done by the sociopaths that run things and even destroying their buildings won’t really affect them. Destroy their company and they will move 3 doors down the hall to the next company. Nothing else will change.
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This was many years ago and I hope things are better now, but I once had a teacher tell me effectively that I deserve to die because of my disability.
That’s pretty much the only thing I remember from middle school.
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38 minutes ago, Numberyellow said:
It's an interesting way of looking at things.... but i don't agree. See, i don't buy the whole "corporate personhood" thing..
Individuals can be sociopaths, companies cannot, because companies aren't alive. I believe corporate boards are made up almost exclusively of sociopaths. It's almost like it's a prerequisite for being on a corporate board.
#hardpillstoswallow
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1 hour ago, Nertea said:
This is more about the backend of the system - what values are allowed for a loop.
Can it be the lesser of ambient or the lowest system design temperature? Even if you can't reject heat at that temperature, the parts should be able to make a loop at their design temp, even if the loop overheats immediately because the heat isn't going anywhere. After the loop is overheated, it shouldn't be able to go back below ambient without a heat pump.
I'll check it out next time I get gaming time.
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4 hours ago, Nertea said:
You can add as many keys as you want, it's a standard FloatCurve.
It means that you can never cool a part below the ambient temperature, really, which isn't strictly true (say, a refrigerator). You're on Eve, so all your cooling loops are now at ~450K, which might have negative implications for life support and stuff that fundamentally would have temperature goals that could be either higher or lower than ambient.
A refrigerator uses a heat pump, not just radiators. In order to reject heat to the environment, the radiators MUST be hotter than that environment. I know !moar parts! isn't the answer you want but a heat pump that consumes power to move heat from a cooler loop to a hotter loop is the real world solution. Have your 350K habitation loop connect to a heat pump that consumes power in order to move the energy (plus the input energy to the heat pump) to a 600K radiator loop.
As far as a good way to fudge it without adding parts, not sure, I'll think on it.
Also; after thinking a bit, all of this radiative heat transfer is really only relevant in space. If you are in an atmosphere, convection will absolutely dominate. Convective radiators designed to work in atmosphere will move SIGNIFICANTLY more heat than radiative radiators (heh) working in vacuum. Not sure if there’s any easy way to model that though.
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Is there any reason that the high-temp radiators couldn't be
temperatureCurve { key = 0 0 key = 500 0 key = 1000 2500 }or make a multi-key curve that's (roughly) quartic?
26 minutes ago, Nertea said:Right now I have it so that the minimum temperature of a loop can never go lower than ambient, which is an ok assumption sometimes, but it runs into trouble on planets and such.
Seems like a solid assumption to me, maybe even ambient*1.02. What sort of trouble?
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You have no idea how happy I am to find this thread. I started digging into the CoreHeat system to try and fix the ludicrous numbers for RSS and actually have something closer to realistic. Unfortunately, my modding skills start and end with module manager patches and CoreHeat was incredibly resistant to what I wanted it to do. I don't think it liked me spreading out the numbers over 7 orders of magnitude.
On 5/18/2020 at 5:37 PM, Nertea said:This way, you have two mostly orthogonal problems to solve. Regulate the operating temperature of the loop, and regulate the radiative capacity of the loop. If you mix these problems too much, you end up with an undergraduate level thermodynamics course. There are some couplings in that radiators are more effective at higher operating temperatures, but they are intentionally minimized.
As someone who has taken several of those courses, can confirm 1,000%.
If I may chime in a tad with your earlier discussion with @AccidentalDisassembly
On 5/18/2020 at 7:46 PM, AccidentalDisassembly said:If it's something like "the average temperature of the coolant or the radiator parts" or something like that, then I am extra stumped, because I don't understand where I'm going wrong in my logic...:
- You have a "loop" with the 3000k reactor and a 300k snack machine. (I am imagining this as an actual circuit of pipe moving coolant around, but I think the principle would be theoretically the same even if you were talking about taking those two systems, which need vastly different temperatures to function correctly, and gluing them to opposite ends of a gigantic metal brick with radiating fins.)
- There's a coolant reservoir somewhere. It's ambient temperature. Ambient-temperature coolant starts there, then goes to the reactor. The inside of the reactor is a nice, toasty 3000k - its operating temperature. Once it achieves that temperature, its flux/heat output is 1000kW, so 1000kW of energy is applied to the coolant, which heats up.
- Toasty coolant (presumably close to 3000k and a volume determined by a bunch of math related to how much energy it takes to heat this magic liquid by X degrees) exits the reactor, then pipes through four 250kW radiators. After coming out of the radiators, the coolant has returned to ambient temperature. If it hasn't, then the radiators didn't actually achieve that rate of cooling, presumably.
- Now, still on the same loop, the coolant enters the 300k part, an insanely powerful snack fabricator whose flux is also 1000kW - applied to coolant, which then passes through four more 250kW radiators (so 8 in total on the single loop).
- Coolant is back to ambient temperature again, and it returns to reservoir. Loop complete.
This right here is the disconnect. In a steady-state cooling loop, the 'cold side' never gets anywhere close to ambient temp. Think about the radiator in your car. The water coming out the bottom is somewhat cooler than the water going in, but it's still well above ambient. Unfortunately, because [lots of integrals], reaching ambient temp at the outflow of the radiator would require an infinitely large radiator. Also, the larger the temperature differential is across the radiator, the less efficient is gets. In practice, the radiators are made just big enough to dissipate the required power at a workable temperature and often have relatively small ΔT. In steam systems for power plants and refineries, the ΔT can be next to zero since all the energy is being moved by the hot side being a vapor and the cold side being a liquid. You can pump a shocking amount of power into a heat exchanger by feeding it steam at 101°C and draining water at 99°C. Thus, the assumption that the cooling loops are non-directional and homogeneous is probably pretty darn close.
@Nertea Is there going to be a way to balance radiators based on that whole T^4 goodness or do you plan to actually implement Stefan–Boltzmann somehow? Low temp loops like the ISS radiators achieve specific heat rejection of only about 10w/kg running at 100°C (trying to cool a megawatt level reactor with these would take over 100 tons of radiators). High temp carbon fiber research looks to be potentially capable of >50kw/kg at 800°C (and now a 2kg radiator can cool your entire space station no problem). Will it just be that low temp radiators blow up at high temps and high temp radiators won't start working until they're heated up sufficiently?
You seem to have a decent grasp of thermo and heat transfer, and my coding skills are almost non-existent, but if I can help out somehow, I'd love to. I actually have an excel sheet set up trying to figure out balance numbers for the stock radiators and some of your Heat Control radiators.
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I could see instantaneous effects where different types of terrain have different amounts of give or bounce. Storing deformations long term, especially at any meaningful resolution? Definitely not.
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Termination For Convenience Clause.
Not the wisest thing to put in a contract, but they definitely do exist.
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From a game-theory perspective on how best to navigate the world, this ^^ is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, my weird brain cannot fully separate logic and emotion. The logical part of me knows that all I am doing is restricting myself while not doing anything that will affect the actual parties involved. However, the emotional part of me won’t shut up about how supporting any system that causes suffering is just me indirectly causing that suffering. As an American taxpayer, I already have about 30 million things to hate myself for. Adding another one to the pile will hurt more than not having a fun game.
Is any of this logical or rational? Absolutely not. I’ve been fully aware of that for close to 2 decades. But even with that awareness, I have never been able to change.
I’m getting close to convincing myself that using the KSP1 engine to play RSS is enough degrees of separation for me to not have to feel guilty about it. Hopefully I will resume work on The Zeus Program shortly. But until then, I still have plenty to clean in my garage.
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1 hour ago, fragtzack said:
Learned many years ago that corporations and capitalism is cut-throat.
Being the best has little room for sentiments and good feelings.
Sad truth, but life is not fair. You are either a killer or get killed, getting all weepy about cut throat company moves is basically "cry me a river", want some cheese with that wine?
Looking forward to KSP2. In the mean time, will continue to enjoy KSP with hopefully new release content from Squad for KSP1.
Oof. Kick in the gut right there. I’m not willing to be a killer (treat others as you wish to be treated and all that) and I am likely to be killed because of it.
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6 minutes ago, Selective Genius said:
The sport shoes and shirts from sweatshops in Africa will always find a way to our wardrobe if it's quality is good; a smartphone built by force labor in China will always find its way in our palm, if its better than the alternatives.
Take 2 is scummy? Of course it is. That's what I have been talking about. But despite that, it's now evaluated at $15 billion.
The world is built by the wicked on the foundations of the bones of the good, like it or not. That's how it has been and will always be, despite our bickerings and disagreements from the comfort of our rooms.
That’s just too depressing for me. The world has been changing since forever. I have to hope that it will continue to change.
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9 minutes ago, sao123 said:
There are no ethics in business, only contracts and profits. I mean that... if there were no profits to be had, there would be no KSP 2, ever.
Employees work for pay. Companies sell for profits. Capitalism is not toxic, though it may be vicious and cutthroat. There are those companies who will survive, and those who will not.
There are no "feelings" in business, only pure cold logic and contract law. It takes the highest levels of emotional maturity to truly seperate "feelings" from "business".
If KSP2 is fun, i''ll buy it. If its not fun, I wont. Period.
This is where it really comes down to an individual’s opinions on what they value as ‘ethical’ or ‘moral’. To stray way off topic into philosophy, those are entirely human constructs. Societies across the world have had massive swings throughout history in what is considered moral or immoral. We can’t know how the future will play out. We can’t know who (if anyone) is right or wrong. This is not a weakness and while it makes us different, it does not imply anything as far as good or bad.
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3 minutes ago, Master39 said:
So one should continue to work at the worse conditions and refuse a better job out of loyalty for the people paying you less?
Unfortunately, in this connected corporate world, absolutely yes. Because what if you want to get another job after the one you were offered? You can leave the previous employer off of your references, or you can let future employers contact your previous employer who will tell them that you are “not committed to the company” or some other diplomatic version of traitor.
Granted, this is a hyperbolic statement and I’m sure there are other companies like valve that aren’t that toxic. But many companies value loyalty much more than competence. That is why there are so many internal promotions of incompetent employees just because they’ve been there the longest. While leaving a position on anything less than excellent terms is not complete corporate suicide, it is shooting yourself in the foot and limiting your options in the future.
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1 hour ago, Selective Genius said:
"But-but the corporations are evil!" Man if we really boycott every 'evil' company in existence, then perhaps we might have to walk naked and give up electronics. Fast food chains underpay their workers, electronics and clothing companies employ children at their sweatshops in China and Africa and we munch on our McDonalds happily, wearing that fancy Nike shirt.
This is pretty much the problem with society today. There is no way to survive without participating. I can’t boycott every grocer or I will starve. Best I can do is refuse to buy from Albertsons/Safeway/WalMart/King Soopers and hope that ARC is a better institution. I can’t walk around naked but I can purchase all of my clothes from independent sellers on Etsy instead of Sears/L.L.Bean/JCPenny. I can’t avoid all electronics, but I can wait to upgrade until my previous device is no longer functional and I can buy them from the manufacturer instead of using Amazon or any other online retailers. I can’t avoid the incredibly toxic health care system or I will literally die within a few weeks. In this case, I CAN do without video games and if I finally have an opportunity to stand up for my beliefs, I plan to take it.
That’s pretty much the only thing I remember from middle school.
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How does the "Auto-Repairer" decide where to move nuclear fuels? Right now it is moving any available Enriched Uranium into centrifuges from other mods instead of out of them. The Tundra Nuclear Fuel plant doesn't have any of it's own internal nuclear fuel storage, is the daily maintenance just going 'out' of any containers and 'in' to anything that isn't a container?