LordFerret

Thanks for the link. Long read, and a bit out of my scope being I've no experience with Unity ... however, it seems to me that it's 'not a problem but a warning' that actually is 'a problem'. Some of what I read indicates it can lead to a crash, which I've experienced but I'm not sure if it was attributed to that specifically. No question the indication of what I read says it's a performance hit, especially when hundreds of such 'warnings' are issued and written to log. In either case, it doesn't bode well with most reporting in that thread. A solution is given, but it will be up to Squad to enact the fix. There will be no immediate resolution to this one; Thread marked as solved.

KSP: v1.0.4, Win8.1 64-bit Problem: I'm unsure/questioning output I'm finding in my output.log file. I was running some tests to see if an NRE problem was resolved from one of the mods I use, and I discovered what seems to be excessive 'errors'(?) ... and I'm wondering if they are indeed "errors". Mods installed: Clamp-O-Tron_APAS-1.0, FreeEVA-0.5.2, Hullcam_VDS-0.40, SCANsat-v14.1, StockBugFixModules.v1.0.4a.1, x-science-v4.6 Reproduction steps: A test I did was to start KSP, load my saved Science game - which then opens the KSC overview, switch to the Tracking Station, switch back to the KSC overview, switch to the VAB, switch back to the KSC overview, and then exit the game. No other actions were performed other than switching to the screens mentioned. Log file entries I'm questioning: There are dozens of entries of this form - Serialization depth limit exceeded at 'ThermalLink'. There may be an object composition cycle in one or more of your serialized classes. (Filename: Line: 67) Serialization depth limit exceeded at 'OcclusionData'. There may be an object composition cycle in one or more of your serialized classes. (Filename: Line: 67) And there are dozens of entries of this form - Serialization depth limit exceeded at 'Contracts.Agents::AgentMentality'. There may be an object composition cycle in one or more of your serialized classes. (Filename: Line: 67) Serialization depth limit exceeded at 'Contracts.Agents::AgentStanding'. There may be an object composition cycle in one or more of your serialized classes. (Filename: Line: 67) Are these normal informative messages or indication of a problem?

I have the latest version, just installed it. I was checking for NRE's from another issue when I notice the following in my output.log file: [7/18/2015 4:20:47 PM [x] Science!]: <Trace> (ScienceChecklistAddon) - OnApplicationQuit (Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56) [7/18/2015 4:20:47 PM [x] Science!]: <Trace> (ScienceChecklistAddon) - Unload (Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56) NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object at ScienceChecklist.ScienceChecklistAddon.Unload () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 at EventVoid.Fire () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 at ApplicationLauncher.OnDestroy () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 (Filename: Line: -1) The 'test' I was doing consisted of nothing more than starting KSP, loading my saved Science game which opens at the KSC overview, then going to the Tracking Station, then back to the KSC overview, then to the VAB, then back to the KSC overview, and then exiting out of the program... nothing else, no other actions performed other than switching between those screens. - - - Updated - - - ...I can supply additional information if you wish (output.log, persistent file, specs & other mods installed).

You can site something for me there from a real authority, not the NPR, which has it's own agenda. The EPA, worst of the worst when it comes to such 'green' things, has conceded as reported. I have people in the industry who would tell you it was all bunk from the start... groundwater systems already 'contaminated' via natural means (metals, gasses, etc)... the flammable tap-water but one example (coal region). Either way, stocks-wise, we're making money on it. As for the wax experiment... I'll go with Tex_NL, a bucket of sand, or a class 3 fire extinguisher.

I love that map, been watching it evolve over the years. Debian FTW. Synaptic anyone?

Thank you for pointing out this alternative! I surely will give it a try. - - - Updated - - - How come that mod isn't listed here? ... or did I miss it?

I'm getting a 404 - Page Not Found error on that GitHub link, just FYI. I grabbed a copy from KerbalStuff instead - no problem.

Yes, you are correct. I didn't realize it was needed/required(?) Thank you for addressing the issue so quickly. I will download the update right now and see how things work out.

Nothing like making a long trip to Moho with SCANsat instruments and an M700 Survey Scanner, only to find you've forgotten an antenna to transmit the results.

Most recent EPA studies on fracking have declared it 'safe', although there is still a large group/political agenda which insists it isn't. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/09/the_science_is_settled_fracking_is_safe.html http://blog.ucsusa.org/is-fracking-safe-now-what-the-epas-fracking-and-drinking-water-study-really-says-755

Here's for one done today (covers one month)... Object Data Revised: Mar 02, 2015 Saturn 699 PHYSICAL DATA (updated 2009-May-26): Mass (10^26 kg) = 5.68319 Density (g/cm^3) = 0.687+-.001 Equat. radius (1 bar) = 60268+-4 km Polar radius (km) = 54364+-10 Volumetric mean radius= 58232+-6 km Flattening = 0.09796 Rotation period = 10h 39m 22.4s Rot. rate(10^-4 rad/s) = 1.63785 m = w^2a^3/GM = 0.15481 Hydrostatic flat., fh = 0.09829 Inferred rot. period = 10.61+-0.02 hr ks = 3*J2/m = 0.317 Mom. of inert. I/MRo^2= 0.210 I/MRo^2 (upper bound) = 0.231 Rocky core mass (Mc/M)= 0.1027 Y factor (He/H ratio) = GM (km^3/s^2) = 37931207.8 GM 1-sigma (km^3/s^2) = +- 98 Equ. grav, ge (m/s^2) = 10.44 Pol. grav, gp (m/s^2) = 12.14+-0.01 Geometric albedo = 0.47 Visual magnitude V(1,0)= -8.88 Vis. mag. (opposition)= +0.67 Obliquity to orbit = 26.73 deg Sidereal orbit period = 29.447498 yr Sidereal orbit period = 10755.698 d Mean daily motion = 0.0334979 deg/d Mean orbit velocity = 9.6624 km/s Atmos. temp. (1 bar) = 134+-4 K Heat flow/mass (x10^7) = 15 erg/gm*s Planetary Solar Const = 15.04 W/m^2 Dipole tilt/offset = 0.0deg/0.0Rp Escape velocity (km/s)= 35.5 Mag.dip.mom(gauss-Rp^3)= 0.21 Aroche(ice)/Rp = 2.71 Hill's sphere rad. Rp = 1100 Results ******************************************************************************* Ephemeris / WWW_USER Fri Jul 17 20:56:42 2015 Pasadena, USA / Horizons ******************************************************************************* Target body name: Saturn (699) {source: SAT375} Center body name: Sun (10) {source: DE-0431LE-0431} Center-site name: BODY CENTER ******************************************************************************* Start time : A.D. 2015-Jul-11 00:00:00.0000 CT Stop time : A.D. 2015-Aug-10 00:00:00.0000 CT Step-size : 1440 minutes ******************************************************************************* Center geodetic : 0.00000000,0.00000000,0.0000000 {E-lon(deg),Lat(deg),Alt(km)} Center cylindric: 0.00000000,0.00000000,0.0000000 {E-lon(deg),Dxy(km),Dz(km)} Center radii : 696000.0 x 696000.0 x 696000.0 k{Equator, meridian, pole} System GM : 2.9599678443663086E-04 au^3/d^2 Output units : AU-D, deg, Julian day number (Tp) Output format : 10 Reference frame : ICRF/J2000.0 Output type : GEOMETRIC osculating elements Coordinate systm: Ecliptic and Mean Equinox of Reference Epoch ******************************************************************************* JDCT EC QR IN OM W Tp N MA TA A AD PR ******************************************************************************* $$SOE 2457214.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-11 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.376905881308452E-02 QR= 9.039711533671001E+00 IN= 2.485621164448056E+00 OM= 1.136366288591595E+02 W = 3.402304735186302E+02 Tp= 2452848.995000418276 N = 3.338335561369173E-02 MA= 1.457352058343864E+02 TA= 1.490195399707901E+02 A = 9.553388227119203E+00 AD= 1.006706492056740E+01 PR= 1.078381706638115E+04 2457215.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-12 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.368012257425823E-02 QR= 9.041405421402269E+00 IN= 2.485486982023690E+00 OM= 1.136404142450671E+02 W = 3.402722173987538E+02 Tp= 2452849.707201184239 N = 3.337867994398476E-02 MA= 1.457244005334203E+02 TA= 1.490045232367375E+02 A = 9.554280362362730E+00 AD= 1.006715530332319E+01 PR= 1.078532765837782E+04 2457216.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-13 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.357014253902184E-02 QR= 9.043396129272669E+00 IN= 2.485677434787115E+00 OM= 1.136350495765851E+02 W = 3.403111299772853E+02 Tp= 2452849.917770443950 N = 3.337347624624971E-02 MA= 1.457280283153834E+02 TA= 1.490014799969451E+02 A = 9.555273492251942E+00 AD= 1.006715085523122E+01 PR= 1.078700934070224E+04 2457217.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-14 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.349816570595334E-02 QR= 9.044517721567837E+00 IN= 2.486425731136965E+00 OM= 1.136140017113594E+02 W = 3.403143304021887E+02 Tp= 2452848.882865812629 N = 3.337107506115859E-02 MA= 1.457854502984295E+02 TA= 1.490498177908874E+02 A = 9.555731847380663E+00 AD= 1.006694597319349E+01 PR= 1.078778551006326E+04 2457218.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-15 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.346251253671333E-02 QR= 9.044931050117439E+00 IN= 2.487286141324789E+00 OM= 1.135898539408443E+02 W = 3.402982574840651E+02 Tp= 2452847.445263510104 N = 3.337067307621717E-02 MA= 1.458650386096604E+02 TA= 1.491205254486988E+02 A = 9.555808586470025E+00 AD= 1.006668612282261E+01 PR= 1.078791546031378E+04 2457219.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-16 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.346767025413676E-02 QR= 9.044580787944746E+00 IN= 2.488165185457239E+00 OM= 1.135652390783447E+02 W = 3.402646278440045E+02 Tp= 2452845.764877838083 N = 3.337233880112474E-02 MA= 1.459617703231676E+02 TA= 1.492092553356676E+02 A = 9.555490608940055E+00 AD= 1.006640042993536E+01 PR= 1.078737699941686E+04 2457220.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-17 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.350269429044881E-02 QR= 9.043697417075416E+00 IN= 2.488969042345061E+00 OM= 1.135427803315537E+02 W = 3.402213405015816E+02 Tp= 2452844.074494890869 N = 3.337537599594731E-02 MA= 1.460648467512767E+02 TA= 1.493054871546256E+02 A = 9.554910893587508E+00 AD= 1.006612437009960E+01 PR= 1.078639533660127E+04 2457221.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-18 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.356102048534028E-02 QR= 9.042453485934224E+00 IN= 2.489522826860178E+00 OM= 1.135273391122974E+02 W = 3.401774983533178E+02 Tp= 2452842.739593412261 N = 3.337917755616680E-02 MA= 1.461594210874112E+02 TA= 1.493952607566173E+02 A = 9.554185406196241E+00 AD= 1.006591732645826E+01 PR= 1.078516687219844E+04 2457222.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-19 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.362969731584527E-02 QR= 9.041027974122962E+00 IN= 2.490041828934467E+00 OM= 1.135128950899858E+02 W = 3.401308055821043E+02 Tp= 2452841.423289343715 N = 3.338343832802650E-02 MA= 1.462554041805402E+02 TA= 1.494868865392732E+02 A = 9.553372446789837E+00 AD= 1.006571691945671E+01 PR= 1.078379034725635E+04 2457223.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-20 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.373362359978915E-02 QR= 9.039070577118450E+00 IN= 2.490135818069514E+00 OM= 1.135102815002796E+02 W = 3.400852902133923E+02 Tp= 2452840.740720754024 N = 3.338878194235315E-02 MA= 1.463349938805649E+02 TA= 1.495655130100484E+02 A = 9.552353124397074E+00 AD= 1.006563567167570E+01 PR= 1.078206448565725E+04 2457224.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-21 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.381680398473058E-02 QR= 9.037614960970563E+00 IN= 2.489816940383459E+00 OM= 1.135191337745173E+02 W = 3.400626186727989E+02 Tp= 2452840.923201803118 N = 3.339244529531728E-02 MA= 1.463783484316180E+02 TA= 1.496098381717060E+02 A = 9.551654477728341E+00 AD= 1.006569399448612E+01 PR= 1.078088162805147E+04 2457225.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-22 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.387766106837547E-02 QR= 9.036648253087032E+00 IN= 2.489239349729003E+00 OM= 1.135351614602523E+02 W = 3.400583123571071E+02 Tp= 2452841.700811757706 N = 3.339458164966979E-02 MA= 1.463951399275184E+02 TA= 1.496286275245149E+02 A = 9.551247107526656E+00 AD= 1.006584596196628E+01 PR= 1.078019194181340E+04 2457226.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-23 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.391514772079254E-02 QR= 9.036156555695554E+00 IN= 2.488512886555615E+00 OM= 1.135553168826980E+02 W = 3.400684013057403E+02 Tp= 2452842.859024456702 N = 3.339532255752228E-02 MA= 1.463931043546388E+02 TA= 1.496288963351546E+02 A = 9.551105837839602E+00 AD= 1.006605511998365E+01 PR= 1.077995277272476E+04 2457227.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-24 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.391672528094448E-02 QR= 9.036384613737669E+00 IN= 2.487603365156754E+00 OM= 1.135805530133581E+02 W = 3.400996052517748E+02 Tp= 2452844.535180584062 N = 3.339397480622058E-02 MA= 1.463646167561208E+02 TA= 1.496029732999261E+02 A = 9.551362818903094E+00 AD= 1.006634102406852E+01 PR= 1.078038784208880E+04 2457228.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-25 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.389494690101750E-02 QR= 9.037017111672970E+00 IN= 2.486798948660597E+00 OM= 1.136028747934243E+02 W = 3.401366272076136E+02 Tp= 2452846.131251606159 N = 3.339162197248506E-02 MA= 1.463344005904014E+02 TA= 1.495741435643432E+02 A = 9.551811484435131E+00 AD= 1.006660585719729E+01 PR= 1.078114744760355E+04 2457229.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-26 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.382688056376964E-02 QR= 9.038539621030226E+00 IN= 2.485891322745249E+00 OM= 1.136280641673878E+02 W = 3.401961984377225E+02 Tp= 2452848.148728385102 N = 3.338678791226372E-02 MA= 1.462792456745360E+02 TA= 1.495198998068578E+02 A = 9.552733464268957E+00 AD= 1.006692730750769E+01 PR= 1.078270844580900E+04 2457230.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-27 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.372063014785991E-02 QR= 9.040634924644388E+00 IN= 2.485467586586414E+00 OM= 1.136398233855977E+02 W = 3.402544545341196E+02 Tp= 2452849.460519282147 N = 3.338080369855638E-02 MA= 1.462426189014606E+02 TA= 1.494803896551439E+02 A = 9.553875116242915E+00 AD= 1.006711530784144E+01 PR= 1.078464147391301E+04 2457231.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-28 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.361690714633557E-02 QR= 9.042559562162213E+00 IN= 2.485485119444233E+00 OM= 1.136393383163095E+02 W = 3.402965279870248E+02 Tp= 2452849.951746037696 N = 3.337563377715830E-02 MA= 1.462369499011932E+02 TA= 1.494692958657816E+02 A = 9.554861694428460E+00 AD= 1.006716382669471E+01 PR= 1.078631202642143E+04 2457232.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-29 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.353304281477127E-02 QR= 9.044021805121414E+00 IN= 2.485829742031168E+00 OM= 1.136297964658249E+02 W = 3.403188247479115E+02 Tp= 2452849.733106138650 N = 3.337197524158762E-02 MA= 1.462615882715852E+02 TA= 1.494870276121902E+02 A = 9.555560008157210E+00 AD= 1.006709821119301E+01 PR= 1.078749451879533E+04 2457233.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-30 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.345920318707063E-02 QR= 9.045218629917294E+00 IN= 2.486454762974132E+00 OM= 1.136125220045889E+02 W = 3.403270871515534E+02 Tp= 2452848.943050564267 N = 3.336925663065568E-02 MA= 1.463094060574456E+02 TA= 1.495265192447912E+02 A = 9.556078998785043E+00 AD= 1.006693936765279E+01 PR= 1.078837338166158E+04 2457234.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Jul-31 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.342929829528075E-02 QR= 9.045549591593325E+00 IN= 2.487251072759670E+00 OM= 1.135905568157417E+02 W = 3.403110285540876E+02 Tp= 2452847.608214973472 N = 3.336900658056243E-02 MA= 1.463862208427691E+02 TA= 1.495950177643786E+02 A = 9.556126737604291E+00 AD= 1.006670388361526E+01 PR= 1.078845422415725E+04 2457235.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-01 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.341560647819626E-02 QR= 9.045554335281164E+00 IN= 2.488134735850641E+00 OM= 1.135662377244928E+02 W = 3.402850154451192E+02 Tp= 2452846.024703393690 N = 3.336970434012183E-02 MA= 1.464754928560152E+02 TA= 1.496758215327130E+02 A = 9.555993524916284E+00 AD= 1.006643271455140E+01 PR= 1.078822863788926E+04 2457236.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-02 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.345752292884576E-02 QR= 9.044503729548397E+00 IN= 2.489101642902499E+00 OM= 1.135396886687507E+02 W = 3.402336117161843E+02 Tp= 2452844.020254957955 N = 3.337330195811111E-02 MA= 1.465915528761764E+02 TA= 1.497842421897948E+02 A = 9.555306759749884E+00 AD= 1.006610978995137E+01 PR= 1.078706567458797E+04 2457237.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-03 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.352988410647548E-02 QR= 9.042986445379503E+00 IN= 2.489715796251792E+00 OM= 1.135228617075512E+02 W = 3.401823443415371E+02 Tp= 2452842.523225940764 N = 3.337787378869739E-02 MA= 1.466949800688090E+02 TA= 1.498828112457877E+02 A = 9.554434200854173E+00 AD= 1.006588195632884E+01 PR= 1.078558814977319E+04 2457238.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-04 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.360972408929661E-02 QR= 9.041433898693372E+00 IN= 2.489961245121883E+00 OM= 1.135161473791559E+02 W = 3.401412845080095E+02 Tp= 2452841.679706742987 N = 3.338224695193426E-02 MA= 1.467757408327818E+02 TA= 1.499610672121929E+02 A = 9.553599745087062E+00 AD= 1.006576559148075E+01 PR= 1.078417520900703E+04 2457239.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-05 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.369009126598709E-02 QR= 9.039905646306126E+00 IN= 2.490084456037433E+00 OM= 1.135127813442672E+02 W = 3.401043710778955E+02 Tp= 2452841.061418953352 N = 3.338645932148104E-02 MA= 1.468482907641394E+02 TA= 1.500318293622948E+02 A = 9.552796143073090E+00 AD= 1.006568663984005E+01 PR= 1.078281456962925E+04 2457240.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-06 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.377476566186166E-02 QR= 9.038409421503509E+00 IN= 2.489805158529160E+00 OM= 1.135204019856437E+02 W = 3.400800245055161E+02 Tp= 2452841.169899056200 N = 3.339026782415638E-02 MA= 1.468948103173917E+02 TA= 1.500790459972994E+02 A = 9.552069732980284E+00 AD= 1.006573004445706E+01 PR= 1.078158467898110E+04 2457241.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-07 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.383902478929093E-02 QR= 9.037343212247148E+00 IN= 2.489340176532847E+00 OM= 1.135330833488325E+02 W = 3.400702753033074E+02 Tp= 2452841.714030336123 N = 3.339277508745538E-02 MA= 1.469210633179295E+02 TA= 1.501066073732759E+02 A = 9.551591588560861E+00 AD= 1.006583996487457E+01 PR= 1.078077515442078E+04 2457242.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-08 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.389094966551738E-02 QR= 9.036615228350566E+00 IN= 2.488482127261915E+00 OM= 1.135564797885206E+02 W = 3.400793245786298E+02 Tp= 2452843.042543269228 N = 3.339406115485771E-02 MA= 1.469157513582565E+02 TA= 1.501046636151847E+02 A = 9.551346353949167E+00 AD= 1.006607747954777E+01 PR= 1.078035996671918E+04 2457243.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-09 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.388835039796536E-02 QR= 9.036938906702925E+00 IN= 2.487476579247267E+00 OM= 1.135839049054202E+02 W = 3.401149082684509E+02 Tp= 2452844.885985901114 N = 3.339240465460821E-02 MA= 1.468802990782140E+02 TA= 1.500721596883191E+02 A = 9.551662227712928E+00 AD= 1.006638554872293E+01 PR= 1.078089474907939E+04 2457244.500000000 = A.D. 2015-Aug-10 00:00:00.0000 (CT) EC= 5.384069597048140E-02 QR= 9.038064192395241E+00 IN= 2.486605259502523E+00 OM= 1.136076747872952E+02 W = 3.401642455341206E+02 Tp= 2452846.707085105125 N = 3.338869101769085E-02 MA= 1.468365487952163E+02 TA= 1.500295539220370E+02 A = 9.552370466478305E+00 AD= 1.006667674056137E+01 PR= 1.078209384756221E+04 $$EOE ******************************************************************************* Coordinate system description: Ecliptic and Mean Equinox of Reference Epoch Reference epoch: J2000.0 xy-plane: plane of the Earth's orbit at the reference epoch x-axis : out along ascending node of instantaneous plane of the Earth's orbit and the Earth's mean equator at the reference epoch z-axis : perpendicular to the xy-plane in the directional (+ or -) sense of Earth's north pole at the reference epoch. 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I say put a Twinkie in there, after 5 years you'll still be able to eat it.

Could be an isolated incident, but I'm getting NullReferenceExceptions, which have crashed my game. A sample from the output.log file looks like this - If you want the entire output.log and/or additional information, I can provide it.

Not arguing, just saying that I'd think shadows. If they're wind streaks, why am I not seeing them elsewhere in other parts of that first image? Just wondering.

I'll take it the 'wind streaks' shot is an enlarged section from the first image in your previous post? That being the case, looking at the surrounding structures in that first image, I'd guess shadows, not wind streaks.

Awesome pics! Is that a thin veil of an atmosphere visible in the Alice Occultation shot (last image)?!

Just more proof (scientific at that) that any idiot can post on the internet.

The fervor over the bright spots on Ceres appears to have died with the New Horizons event. - - - Updated - - - From the APOD image of the day: (http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap150630.html) "Also visible across Ceres' surface are some enigmatic light areas: bright spots whose origin and composition that also remain an active topic of investigation." The 'active topic of investigation' link leads to this image -

4 minutes, 7 minutes, 15 minutes..... doesn't matter much suffice to say it's only time enough to kiss your arse goodbye.

Apparently you didn't search very long or hard ... http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?ephemerides

I'll disagree as I've seen such orbital simulations and read otherwise... if such you state is true, how do we know the barycenter of distant binary / trinary / etc star systems (of which many have been modelled)? As you can see below, I got Ninja'd. I'm pretty confident that WISE will continue to discover a number of new objects, as are expected to be out there, before completing its survey! As speculated in the paper I linked way earlier, there should be more 'Sednitos' out there, and it is expected that the Gaia Mission should discover 50 or more of them.

'Right-hand rule'? Careful with that... PC and equality clowns will start a war over that.

Heh... there is no 'bottom' to space, yet there are the 'depths' of space.

Mars just wanted to get closer to Venus.

Earlier I mentioned what looked like 'dunes', and then later about how that 'rippling' was over all the structures; Your speculation makes sense to me ... and thinking on it, it kind of compares to piles of melting snow I've seen - sort of. Interesting.