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    A City On Mars

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    15 minutes ago, DDE said:

    He kept stepping on a rake, and it kept not hitting him SMH.

    And as experienced trader, he didn't see any difference between the China/Nippon goods and what he is getting on Hispanola.

    The famous Haitian pepper...

    Oh, wait... The famous Virginian pepper. That's why they were calling it India.

    A City On Mars

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    9 minutes ago, mikegarrison said:

    That's why he had so much trouble finding backers who were willing to fund his expedition -- most everyone else was aware that China was much farther away than Columbus believed it to be.

    Columbus could believe that he is going to cross a 30 000 or a 60 000 km wide ocean, but after he had arrived, he knew exactly, what distance separates him from the Europe.
    And especially, several crossings later.

    So, he could be telling everybody that he visited China, but he definitely was aware that it is "another China".

    7 minutes ago, PakledHostage said:

    Europeans believed the Earth to be about 26000 km in diameter up until Magellan's expedition sailed across the Pacific 25 years after Columbus.

    It makes even more impossible for Columbus to believe in a 60 000 km wide China.

    Lunar Environmental Challenges

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    On 4/25/2024 at 11:37 PM, Nuke said:

    problem with lunacrete is where do you get the water? will concrete even cure if its in a vacuum?

    They should use a vacuum cleaner. It's a lot of vacuum around.

    On 4/26/2024 at 12:24 AM, AckSed said:

    astronaut pee has been considered, as urea acts like a plasticiser in "geopolymer" concrete

    Used astronaut diapers. This should also save the mass of the lunar ship by absence of toilet.

    ***

    Btw, has anyone suggested a broom?

    Of course, we know that there are no dust clouds in vacuum.

    A long broom with an alpenstock at the opposite end.

    An a PP-duster for fine cleaning.

    17 hours ago, farmerben said:

    The key thing will be to positively charge the area around the base so that dust does not fall there at night.  

    By nuking it first, they can have a flat lake of glass.

    ***

    Upd.

    Latex suits!

    Expendable layer of liquid latex spray.

    Spray it on the suit before EVA to look stylish on the Moon, scratch it off after getting inside.
    All dust will be in a trashcan.

    A City On Mars

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    Posted · Edited by kerbiloid

    8 hours ago, mikegarrison said:

    He thought he had found islands off the coast of China.

    I believe that a person who crossed the ocean, was enough experienced in star navigation and thus aware of the Earth radius to understand that no China can be 30 000 km across.
    Exactly like Drake and others unlikely could believe in West India and East India occupying similar territory together.

    It's another question that they called every non-Bibleic land "China" or "India", and were keeping in secret everything possible to help their competitors with finding the lands they had found.
    Nobody was declaring "All! Look, we have found Australia! But we won't tell you where it is!"

    All of them got used to keep the tongue behind the teeth.

    So, like in the USSR there were cities like Chelyabinsk and Chelyabinsk-70, Arzamas and Arzamas-16, Moscow and Moscow-400 and so on, separated with hundreds kilometers, read their "China" as "China-92", and "India" as "India-12" and "India-14", or "a china", "an india".

    A City On Mars

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    1 hour ago, magnemoe said:

    You would anyway be scared of the sabotaging stuff.

    Less than a half of manufactured V-2 was reaching London, but they were not effective not for this reason, but for poor navigation equipment and attitude controls.

    So, the prisoners' labour can into rocket science.

    1 hour ago, magnemoe said:

    In both Germany and Soviet prisoners dying was positive as it was people you wanted to get rid of, or they did not care at all.

    It was not positive, it was considered appropriate. About a half survived.

    1 hour ago, magnemoe said:

    Germany killed millions of Soviet POW, they stopped as they needed them as slaves. 

    Originally they had captured more than were able to hold, but soon moved them into the labour camps.

    1 hour ago, magnemoe said:

    More people died making V2 than got killed by them. 

    Only because V-2 was not enough accurate to aim the preferred targets.

    London was looking too desert those days.

    SpaceX Discussion Thread

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    3 hours ago, darthgently said:

    That top stage looks very Von Braun

    Maybe. Or they were reading same sci-fi books.

    50 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    It would be very interesting to know if Soviet space artists took notes on what their Western counterparts were doing, or if they both read Jules Verne as kids and ended up following the same (convergent) evolutionary path.

    I guess, the early XX style was common. Also, Western movies were shown in cinema.

    ***

    What is strange on this picture is that the tower arms are retracted, but the bridge is still extended, and the human on the bridge is waving with hands.

    Something went wrong?

    SpaceX, check it just in case.

    A City On Mars

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    Posted · Edited by kerbiloid

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    What’s the likelihood they were killed lined up like that?

    To occupy less place after killing them comfortably, and to need less efforts to cover with ground.

    How could three men be buried in one tomb?
    Did they die at once? Then why this burial composition is so strange.
    Usually people don't bury with hand put on another one's crotch like he's petting or protecting the neighbor. They either align or cross the arms.
    And the bones don't look lying straight.
    No gifts are seen. This also makes the sacrifice version less probable. The interworld travellers usually have a bribe for the underworld spirits.

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    Your images come from a European caricature of the native person.

    Spoiler

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    It was just a glamour cinematographic version of the native uniform, and I can see nothing caricature in them.

    For me, it's vice versa, the movie screenshots depict normal warriors of their tribes.
    They should look frightening for the other tribes, and a gentle nature is not welcomed when a normal practice is to hunt each other, or drill the prisoners' head (traditional for Chukcha and Inuit, based on the XVIII-XIX war reports), or scalping the heads (normal for the Northern Amerindians, despite of the modern nonsense that the Europeans had brought this practice; nowhere in the Europe they do it, just because a settled nation doesn't need to carry the souvenirs and have them lightweight, entire heads on the fence are good enough).
    Burning and piercing is a normal part of a tribal initiation, this also leaves a print, and illustrates the softness.

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    Both a Frenchman named Lahontan and the Jesuit missionaries who lived there spoke of how the Wendat did not use violence to force others (within their group) to do things they wanted them to.

    IIrc, the Indians were successfully using force and violence against other tribes, while of course a missionaire can just give advices.

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    The AI is not going to want others to have arbitrary values like “righteousness” and what not. It’s just programmed to ensure the physical survival and expansion of the colony.

    "Righteousness" = "following the right rules, established for greater good".

    AI can't be programmed, it can be taught on examples. That process can be programmed.

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    This regulates basic needs and the functions of the colony.

    Exactly what Savonarola was doing. Everything excessively spent is a sin and should be prohibited. Including the Botticelli's paintings.

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    When I say “law” I mean public decisions, which the Wendat did make when deciding things like going to war or not.

    "Decision" means "punishment for those who doesn't follow it", otherwise it's a "wish".

    For the punishment, the Wendat should have an intertribal mechanism to force any tribe to follow the decision.

    Otherwise is just an anarchy.

    If they had such mechanism, it doesn't look that their society was so much kind and soft, because the punishment is for the whole tribe, including innocents. Good people don't do so.

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    18-25 villages over 35x56 km area, with a total population of 18-22k.

    2000 km2
    0.1 human/km2 = 200 hunters-gatherers
    1..2 human/km2 = 2000...4000 steppe herders
    10..100 human/km2 = 20..200 k peasants

    All local Siberian peoples  (except ~1 mln Yakuts, who are medieval invaders), are 200 k in total, and that's more than was in early XX.

    Somebody had published a rather optimistic view on the tribal demography.

    There is no so much food in the forest, that's why the people turn it into plowland.

    6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    These were not hunter-gatherers. Many tribes besides them cultivated maize and other crops.

    The very place of 35x56 km2 is either for several villages of peasants, or for 2..3 tribes of hunters-gatherers.
    They are antagonists, they need the opposite. HG need forest, not field; P need field, not forest.
    At the same time once the agriculture appears, the peasant population exceeds the hunter-gatherer population by orders of magnitude, and inevitable conflicts force the HG either to leave the place, or to be assimilated.
    So, I'm afraid, it's a fantasy.

    2 hours ago, magnemoe said:

    Now part of the reason slavery died out in Europe and probably other places is that slaves has an added cost, you have to hire guards to keep them in line or treat them well enough that they stay. 

    Alive, but hidden.
    Also it's cheaper to pay for several guards than for a hundred of workers they guard.
    Just such practice competes with mass forced labour used by much stronger corporations, lol, so it's marginal or used in places which nobody cares about.
    Say, the mining in Africa. Of course, technically the children are willingly do it. But in fact, how could they reject?

    2 hours ago, magnemoe said:

    If you can hire people cheap enough why use slaves

    Labour camps and prisons of XX in all developed countries were also a labour force, cheaper than hired ones.
    For unqualified mass labour, like channel digging, stone crashing, or wood cutting.

    Btw, V-2 were manufactured by the slaves (prisoners), so even told rocketry.

    A City On Mars

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    12 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    I’m talking about the burials of people.

    https://www.donsmaps.com/tripleburial.html

    Not everyone was buried. So why these people?

    Are you sure, they were buried?
    Based on the left one, they were killed, or inhumated alive to send them to gods of the underground, especially since the middle one was an anatomically deformed (hermaphrodite? just strangely looking?), and possibly impaled like a vampire.

    19 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    People actually argued all the time. Debate and persuasive powers were valued skills among the Wendat.

    Yes. The arguments.

    Spoiler

    All these people are open for the discussion about their rights on their private property.

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    28 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    I don’t get your point with this, but it does make me wonder how a religious group would fare in trying to colonize Mars.

    Savonarola is almost an etalon of righteous, non-selfish person, like an AI,  just wanting others be as righteous.
    But the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    See, what happened next.

    31 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    a unique form of society in which leaders existed but no one was required to follow them by “law,”

    Any low-level tribal and criminal society doesn't have a leader established by law, as there is nobody to establish the law.
    You follow the strongest, or the most rich, or the "eldest" family of your tribe.
    But you are free to stay alone, until some force wnats to take yours or you.

    35 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    had a population of up to 30,000 when European settlers began to arrive.

    Occupying (in good sense of the word) what area, km2?

    Typical density for the hunters-gatherers is ~0.1 human/km2.

    Largest European cities were 10..20..50 k, and they were fed by farmers.

    40 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    but it worked as far as maintaining everyone’s basic needs went.

    Impossible for the hunters-gatherers due to the highly variable amount of food per year.
    They mass born in fat years, and mass die in thin years, so the population is held at the low bound, and kid mortality is normal.
    A significant advantage of settled agriculture.

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