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[quote name='jedensuscg']Ive been trying to get the stock command pod and the crew cabin back to Kerbin for two days now. The new heat and aerodynamic models are brutal. My first attempt failed because I ran out of battery and loss SAS causing my craft to gyrate and explode from heat. Second attempt failed because it took SOOOOO long to slow down to parachute speeds. I was at 2kmn ASL when I fired my chute at 450m/s and the forces ripped the chutes off the craft and I slammed into the ground. third attempt I was at around 25km and still doing well over 1000 m/s when suddently the aerodynamic forces flipped my craft sideways and resulted in an instantaneous explosion of the entire craft. I am entering from around 80km orbit, at a fairly shallow descent. As it is, it takes about 5 minutes from when I hit 70km to when I get to 30km and BOOM. Reentry has turned into a very long ordeal if you don't have the Delta-V to slow a ton in orbit. Already killed two pilots, an engineer and three tourists and I am only in the third tech tree. Thing is I tested everything in simulations (using Kerbal Construction Time) and I could get to the ground, it seems as there needs to be a VERY fine line walked to land safely.[/QUOTE] Heatshield helps (read: makes it super easy) but lko is doable without it. 1) point retrograde. Dont use sas hold retrograde since it uses up all electricity as you already noticed. Just use stability assist and manuall correct it slightly when/if needed. If your ship overheats you need a more heat resistant part at the bottom (heatshield is obviously best). If your ship tends to flip you need to design it so that it's aerodynamically most stable while moving retrograde... 2) once you are at ~900-800m/s start using your sas to turn your craft to have some aoa (angle of attack). You basically want as much area facing the relative wind as possible at this point to slow you down quickly. 3) you should be at safe chute opening speeds with plenty of time left (8000-5000m usually). If not you need to design your reentry ship to be more draggy and/or lighter so ot will slow down faster. Also if you dont play career (or already have this part unlocked) drogue chutes also make things much easier...

[quote name='Octa']I know how tweakables work and i already do it, but still thanks :wink: I just keep wondering why the shield carries that much ablator by default in the first place, or if there are situations where you really need 200 units of it.[/QUOTE] I haven't tested yet but probably interplanetary aerocapturing and/or eve reentry need more ablator

[quote name='quasarrgames'] [B]Cons[/B] -reentry heat is worse [/QUOTE] No. No it's not. It is hotter and thus harder. But not worse. I would say it's better because it prevents stupid reentrys and actually makes you design your ship for reentry purposes...

Lol... It's certainly "not widely accepted maths". It's just plain wrong maths... So in your "real world" you have 50% chance at winning a grand prize in lottery? Either you win ir you dont. If that is the case I wanna play a game with you: 1) each week we play one single ticket of lottery 2) if it wins the grand prize I'll give you 1000e 3) if it doesnt you will give me 100e By your logic this will be very profitable for you since 50% of the time you lose 100e but the other 50% you gain 1000e... But as I am sure you can see from this example, that's not how real world or real math works...

First of all more spacestation/base building parts. Including something kis/kas like mechanic. Also very high on my priority list would be to make whole kerbol system proceduraly generated (while also leaving an option to use current system if you want). And you wouldnt see the planets and their orbits first. You would have to do research (with telescopes and probes and such) to get info about the system. But that would be a lot of work and it would have to be a goal for a longer time... Also life support system (optional to use of course) Visual and performance upgrades. Option to add ablative coating to (spaceplane) parts. Visual and performance updates. Better contract system if possible (altough world first awards helps a lot already) Weather effects Roughly in order with most important stuff for me on top

What we need instead is a new game mechanic that makes us use hitchiker modules or some other modules meant for long time habitation for all missions longer than a few days. Now we can just out kerbal in a pod where there is barely enough room to sit and send him on a 10 year journey to eeloo. I dont like that.

You are most certainly entitled to your opinion but you shouldnt go around telling how game is stupid because "its impossible to make an ssto with 6000dv on lko". Or at least you should stop whining when someone specifically demonstrates with example craft how to make an ssto with 7600dv on lko. Making crafts like that should be hard. And if you cant do it it doesnt mean it's impossible. You now have proof that the way you want to play the game (apparently high dv ssto planes is your way and that's totally cool) is still doable. So now you just need to get designing/testing... If it would be easy it wouldnt be nearly as fun now would it?

Best post of the thread. Instead of crying and complaining people could and should be finding new ways of doing stuff. That's what makes ksp fun. Finding new efficient ways to do stuff that is hard to do. This guy just made a spaceplane with 1.6kdv more dv than you guys just said would be impossible. So maybe time to stop crying and start designing and testing?

My question regarding this topic is: Where can I see all the things that grant me this "worlds first" prizes?

I just came here to say LOL @ OP. Seriously... You have at least 3 options to choose from: 1. Keep using 1.04 until mods upgrade. Mods breaking is definitely NOT a good reason to stop updating the game... 2. Play 1.05 stock or almost stock. Stock game has improved very much and is very fun and enjoyable for me at least. But is no doubt harder than with some easymode mods that do half the stuff for you 3. Stop playing if you dont like it. You can come back when the mods update or when/if stock game is good enough for you or you can stop alltogether. Just stop complaining at least...

I agree that now that we have somewhat working atmo and reentry heat we need much more versatile station/space building. But that said atmo update was imo even more needed because souposphere and no reentry heating. Now that those are taken care of we can again start focusing on outer space stuff I hope that next big thing will be more station/base parts, more interesting planets and possibly new (in some way very extreme) planets

Why would you want to work on designing any spaceship? You can just use stock crafts and download other peoples crafts from this forum. The game gives us tools and parts to build working effective crafts BUT the game doesnt do it for us. Designing working crafts is big part of the gameplay.

IMO overheating is a good extra challenge for eve. I like it that there is this final "boss monster" in ksp. And since I had done eve landing+ascent already in the earlier versions the new extra challenge is welcome I'm currently playing career for the first time but will play with eve sometime too

This. People need to understand this. Remember that reentry in real life is very dangerous also. Engines still being good heatshields is what disturbs me most now... What I think we need is reentry that makes heatshield absolutely necessary. And if we do that we also need ability to add ablator to spaceplane parts (ofcourse with mass and price penalty) to make shuttles and spaceplanes able to reentry. Also aerobraking/capturing from interplanetary speeds should be extremely difficult and dangerous.

I'm interested in divisions 1 & 4. 1 because it's finding the absolute limit for payload fraction in current ksp. And 4 because ssto without recoverability could just as well be considered multistage because it doesnt offer any advantage over multistage design. Good changes. Will see what I can do in new version next week.