Would you like to be abducted

[Sirrobert]

I've tried to think about Earth from an outsider's point of view a few times, and I'd have trouble thinking that an advanced civilization would arrive at any other conclusion than, "Remain unseen."

Most of us here are exceptional. We wouldn't make knee-jerk reactions. But if you look at humanity's history as a whole, and how we typically treat anything as "different" that we are, I wouldn't blame any extraterrestrial race for wanting to remain "anonymous," hiding behind a cloak of myths and delusions. People are prone to go into panic mode at the drop of a hat. There's no denying that. So while the golden goose, "we are not alone" announcement sounds awesome in theory, in practice, it would probably be a political disaster.

Of course, that's not to say that a government or two might not know that something is going on. This bit of news which showed up on numerous sources, I found to be particularly... odd.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/john-podesta-regrets-no-ufo-disclosure_n_6699646.html

Yea, the more I think about it the more I'd agree with a standpoint of secret observation. We're bad enough against members of our own species that don't fit with the 'norm'

I still hold that they'd have better ways of researching us than tagging though

[Frozen_Heart]

Yea, the more I think about it the more I'd agree with a standpoint of secret observation. We're bad enough against members of our own species that don't fit with the 'norm'

I still hold that they'd have better ways of researching us than tagging though

Actually almost everyone is fine with those even when they are 'different'. Its just a tiny minority that happen to be very loud that cause problems.

Even so if I were an outside observer I'd prefer to remain unknown. Its like studying something in captivity compared to studying it in the wild. Much more accurate knowledge can be gain from seeing how it behaves in its own habitat.

[Sidereus]

Based on my research, I believe that they MAY be working on a biological weapon, a super virus that they are immune to but we are not.

If any alien species wanted to wipe us out, all they'd have to do is toss a decently-sized asteroid our way. If they wanted to make sure we couldn't do anything about it, they'd accelerate it to a significant fraction of c; it wouldn't have to be much. 0.1% would do it. Something like that would be easy for an interstellar-capable species.

Another possibility is hitting our atmosphere with a significant quantity of dust grains moving at c-fractional speeds, which may actually be far easier. Autoclave, anybody?

[LABHOUSE]

I would love it.... I would ask them about their technology and if some of the world leaders are really aliens, I would ask them if there were other alien species, and I would share religion and personal veiws with them. I would also ask them if the euro I saw was them or the government, or some dude with a 2+ metre drone. Lastly, I would ask for proof of the abduction, so I would not be called crazy or put into a round room with padded walls.

[Aethon]

What to do if you ever encounter alien beings or their craft.

http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/AppA.htm

http://listverse.com/2012/03/10/10-tips-for-meeting-aliens/

Edited February 27, 2015 by Aethon

[Sirrobert]

That's quite an interesting list.

[rtxoff]

Who tells you that you weren't already abducted? Aliens capable of this would have special memory ereasing techniques. You wouldn't even remember it.

Another possibility, maybe you are still on their ship connected to a VR pod living a simulated life.

Also a possibility, pink unicorns flying outside.

Space is not big enough to contain human stupidity.

[Sirrobert]

Who tells you that you weren't already abducted? Aliens capable of this would have special memory ereasing techniques. You wouldn't even remember it.

Another possibility, maybe you are still on their ship connected to a VR pod living a simulated life.

Also a possibility, pink unicorns flying outside.

Space is not big enough to contain human stupidity.

I'd really requiest they give me a little more exciting life if they'd hook me up to the Matrix

Edited February 28, 2015 by Vanamonde

[magnemoe]

I've tried to think about Earth from an outsider's point of view a few times, and I'd have trouble thinking that an advanced civilization would arrive at any other conclusion than, "Remain unseen."

Most of us here are exceptional. We wouldn't make knee-jerk reactions. But if you look at humanity's history as a whole, and how we typically treat anything as "different" that we are, I wouldn't blame any extraterrestrial race for wanting to remain "anonymous," hiding behind a cloak of myths and delusions. People are prone to go into panic mode at the drop of a hat. There's no denying that. So while the golden goose, "we are not alone" announcement sounds awesome in theory, in practice, it would probably be a political disaster.

Of course, that's not to say that a government or two might not know that something is going on. This bit of news which showed up on numerous sources, I found to be particularly... odd.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/john-podesta-regrets-no-ufo-disclosure_n_6699646.html

Main reason to remain unseen would be that to show themselves would change future development on earth.

Breaking contact later would reduce the effect but it would still have major impact as, we would know that it exist other civilizations and that interstellar travel is possible at an minimum.

Just observing alien technology would give lots of clues on that is possible.

The most unique part about earth is our technological level, any random intelligent species would statistically be stone age or very advanced. Low chance of year 3000 BC to 1800, 10% of that for being in the 1800-2300 span.

And yes this is also an argument against "some hidden agency know more" theory, if someone had decent proofs that ufo's exited it would shape technological development.

More probably: the ufo register contains lots of radar echoes during the cold war, this again points to capabilities and operations who are secret.

[lajoswinkler]

This is a meaningless question. Abduction means that you don't want to be taken away. If you want, it's not abduction anymore.

[Bill Phil]

No. I would rather talk to them on Earth, on my terms.

[magnemoe]

This is a meaningless question. Abduction means that you don't want to be taken away. If you want, it's not abduction anymore.

Technically not correct. Abduction is without consent if you like the end result or not is irrelevant, in fact the overwhelming majority of abductions in the west is one parent abduct their kids away from the other parent mostly because they think the kids will be better off with them.

[RainDreamer]

Xenobiology...it is scary stuff. Better not risk it. Even in the best case scenario that they procreate the same ways as human...you might get alien STD.

Not to mention xeno cultures. Alien rituals and religions that may put you in horrible, horrible situations afterward...

Edited February 28, 2015 by Vanamonde

[Randazzo]

It would really depend on their intentions.

Am I to be a rat who runs a maze and is rewarded for succeeding?

Or

Am I the rat who is exposed to a pathogen to document the effects?

Let's face it, if there are ET's out there taking people, it's not for some transcendental hippie make love not war nonsense.

[vger]

Then they burst out the facehuggers.

Xenobiology...it is scary stuff. Better not risk it. Even in the best case scenario that they procreate the same ways as human...you might get alien STD.

District 9. Yeah, let's just not go there.

And a few people should maybe read a bit of H.G. Wells.

[magnemoe]

Now wrap this around, how would you do it, you are in orbit around an planet with 1950-2020 technology in a stealthed starship.

You have some dead bodies from an remote accident or warzone but want some live aliens to examine, they have to be returned unharmed without much disruption.

The most ethical would be to snatch some who was in mortal danger and about to die, however this can be hard to find or dangerous as you might have to enter an storm or active warzone.

Easiest would be someone alone in an remote area, having them wake up drunk or drugged might be an benefit.

[Sᴄɪɴᴛɪʟʟᴀᴛᴏʀ]

We humans don't have a great history of treating creatures we consider lesser than ourselves when it comes to scientific experimentation.

I don't believe putting your faith in a species that would likely consider us a lesser being is a particularly good idea if you don't want your organs to be dissected on a stainless steel tray.

[Sirrobert]

Now wrap this around, how would you do it, you are in orbit around an planet with 1950-2020 technology in a stealthed starship.

You have some dead bodies from an remote accident or warzone but want some live aliens to examine, they have to be returned unharmed without much disruption.

The most ethical would be to snatch some who was in mortal danger and about to die, however this can be hard to find or dangerous as you might have to enter an storm or active warzone.

Easiest would be someone alone in an remote area, having them wake up drunk or drugged might be an benefit.

That depends on the mission.

Exploration and just stumbled upon the planet?

Already known and researching?

Debating weither or not to make first contact?

Or more nefarious goals?

Asuming it has already been determined who the dominant/inteligent species is (1950+ equivilant, that's going to be a very easy thing to figure out)

As a scientists, the first thing I would probably do is tap into the race's knowledge banks. I have no doubt the concept of an internet would exists in all equivilant civilizations.

With access to full translations between all respective languages, it should be relatively easy for my species language experts to translate them.

In the mean time, remotely study behavoir, substance, ect. Once language has been translated, asuming the species has scientists themselves, study everything they know.

All of this can be done without direct interaction. Even if there is no internet equivilant yet, knowledge is always written down somewhere.

[Cydonian Monk]

Provided it wasn't some "Fire in the Sky" "bodies melting and decomposing away inside pods" type of "oh my God what did I just watch" abduction that would cause nightmares for the next 20 years, uhm, sure. Maybe. It'd be more interesting than my daily grind.

I'm assuming I'd never remember it. Alien-grade pharmaceuticals have gotta be "good stuff." You don't fly halfway across the galaxy to kidnap people if you can't make them forget about you.

[Vanamonde]

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[Beowolf]

Several posts have been edited or removed from this thread. Please avoid references to "adult content" (2.2.c) on the forum, people.

LOL, seriously that's the mods' objection to a UFO abductions thread in the Science Labs forum?

[lajoswinkler]

Technically not correct. Abduction is without consent if you like the end result or not is irrelevant, in fact the overwhelming majority of abductions in the west is one parent abduct their kids away from the other parent mostly because they think the kids will be better off with them.

We're not talking about minors (legal issue, consent, etc.) so abduction is something done to a person against their will.

[Sirrobert]

We're not talking about minors (legal issue, consent, etc.) so abduction is something done to a person against their will.

I think his point was more that, after it has been against your will, you might find out that the aliens actually wanted to make you filthy rich. And they just didn't know how to ask.

That's techniqually an adbuction, but would make you very happy.

Against your wil is not the same as 'do not want'. Techniqually, it could just mean you never got the chance to say yes

[WinkAllKerb'']

In case it's already done without reasons and for somes not too sum's while doing so, what's next left after abduction ? that's something that could bug you if you ask seriously yourself. ; )

[Ethanadams]

If it's jeb yes if it's predator nooooo way