Space Shuttle Pack for ksp 1.0.4 dev thread

Jeast · May 29, 2015

Realy? Hmm thats weird. Tested it again and past 55m/s it goes nose down at my system. Cannot get it of the ground again either. Can it be other mods are causing this?

TheRag · May 29, 2015

Is your physics cfg set to 1.0.2? My is set to 1.0, could that be a problem? Let me go test that now.

EDIT:

Yep, that was the problem.

Edited May 29, 2015 by TheRag

iDisOrder · May 29, 2015

This here is my new, self contained ore refinery:

Which one of you big, strong, 5exy modders is gonna build me a shuttle to get this to the MÃƒÂ¼n?

(lol... move ur asses guys! )

Edit: ssexy was censored but asses wasn't, go figure

Edited May 29, 2015 by iDisOrder

TheRag · May 29, 2015

Building shuttles takes time, modeling, aerodynamics, manuevering, etc. Please be patient, Mike has the entire weekend, and no doubt he will publish something.

Mike-NZ · May 30, 2015

Im away from home for a few hours but will be posting something in a lil bit after that. Should we try with no reaction control in tje shuttle? Also will impliment real fuels so the generators wony use up oms fuel. Also will try jeasts fix and offer suggestions

- - - Updated - - -

The thing with landing gear, having the landing gear button overrides the one way animation and still retracts it. Will try something new

Jeast · May 30, 2015

Is your physics cfg set to 1.0.2? My is set to 1.0, could that be a problem? Let me go test that now.
EDIT:
Yep, that was the problem.

Can you confirm the landing goes well, so stall speed around 55m/s and no taking of once touchdown?

Another landing with the aero fix. Time to upgrade the cockpit, started working on this already. Will post some pics soon!

Edited May 30, 2015 by Jeast

iDisOrder · May 30, 2015

Building shuttles takes time, modeling, aerodynamics, manuevering, etc. Please be patient, Mike has the entire weekend, and no doubt he will publish something.

awww, they know I'm just breaking their horns.

I don't care how long it takes, I'll be here waiting for this beast!

MrMeeb · May 30, 2015

It's making great progress, and the aerodynamic improvements courtesy of Jeast have really tested my piloting skills...

As a little nitpick, I think the node location for attachment of the ET is slightly off..there's a gap between the shuttle and both contact points.

Admittedly unclear on the lower point, but I'm fairly sure there is one

Keep up the great work!

TheRag · May 30, 2015

Landing goes very well, very hard, but the realistic hard. Stall hits at about 55m/s from the testing, and no taking off once landed.

MrMeeb · May 30, 2015

Landing goes very well, very hard, but the realistic hard. Stall hits at about 55m/s from the testing, and no taking off once landed.

Strange...I'm finding the whole thing very floaty. I have installed the latest aerodynamic fixes by Jeast and it appears to fly like a butterfly. This is stock aerodynamics we're using right?

Drj3199 · May 30, 2015

I am having a problem where the SSME's are not showing up in the staging menus. Does anyone know how to fix this?

TheRag · May 30, 2015

What is your physics config set to? I'd set it 1.0.2 since it has sizable increase in drag. If the physics config is set to 1.0 then it will be floaty.

MrMeeb · May 30, 2015

Well I'm running KSP 1.0.2 I believe so shouldn't it be 1.0.2 anyway? My Physics config:

dragMultiplier = 8.0
dragCubeMultiplier = 0.1
angularDragMultiplier = 2
liftMultiplier = 0.055
liftDragMultiplier = 0.025
bodyLiftMultiplier = 10.7
aeroFXStartThermalFX = 2
aeroFXFullThermalFX = 3.5
aeroFXExponent = 3
thermalMaxIntegrationWarp = 100
spaceTemperature = 4
solarLuminosityAtHome = 1360
solarInsolationAtHome = 0.15
convectionDensityExponent = 1
convectionVelocityExponent = 3
convectionFactorSplashed = 300
fullConvectionAreaMin = 0.2
fullToCrossSectionLerpStart = 0.8
fullToCrossSectionLerpEnd = 1.5
machConvectionStart = 2
machConvectionEnd = 4
machConvectionExponent = 3
partEmissivityExponent = 4
radiationFactor = 1
convectionFactor = 40
newtonianConvectionFactorBase = 2
newtonianConvectionFactorTotal = 3
NewtonianVelocityExponent = 1.5
conductionFactor = 10
internalHeatProductionFactor = 0.03
aerodynamicHeatProductionFactor = 1
standardSpecificHeatCapacity = 800
DRAG_TIP
{
	key = 0 1 0 0
	key = 25 1 0 0
}
DRAG_SURFACE
{
	key = 0 0.02 0 0
	key = 0.85 0.02 0 0
	key = 0.9 0.0152439 -0.07942077 -0.07942077
	key = 1.1 0.0025 -0.005279571 -0.001936768
	key = 2 0.002083333 -2.314833E-05 -2.314833E-05
	key = 5 0.003333333 -0.000180556 -0.000180556
	key = 25 0.001428571 -7.14286E-05 0
}
DRAG_TAIL
{
	key = 0 1 0 0
	key = 0.85 1 0 0
	key = 1.1 0.25 -0.02215106 -0.02487721
	key = 1.4 0.2287166 -0.01326022 -0.001389867
	key = 2 0.275 0.03981932 0.03981932
	key = 5 0.3333333 -0.003474526 -0.02333333
	key = 25 0.1428571 -0.004285714 0
}
DRAG_MULTIPLIER
{
	key = 0 0.5 0 0
	key = 0.85 0.5 0 0
	key = 1.1 2 0 -0.6
	key = 2 1.2 -0.5444444 -0.5444444
	key = 5 0.6 0 0
	key = 10 0.8 0.06700063 0.06700063
	key = 14 0.93 0.006815632 0.006815632
	key = 25 1 0 0
}
LIFTING_SURFACE_CURVES
{
	LIFTING_SURFACE
	{
		name = Default
		lift
		{
			key = 0 0 0 1.965926
			key = 0.258819 0.5114774 1.990092 1.905806
			key = 0.5 0.9026583 0.7074468 -0.7074468
			key = 0.7071068 0.5926583 -2.087948 -1.990095
			key = 1 0 -2.014386 -2.014386
		}
		liftMach
		{
			key = 0 1 0 0
			key = 0.3 0.5 -1.671345 -0.8273422
			key = 1 0.125 -0.0005291355 -0.02625772
			key = 5 0.0625 0 0
			key = 25 0.05 0 0
		}
		drag
		{
			key = 0 0.01 0 0
			key = 0.3420201 0.1 0.1750731 0.1750731
			key = 0.5 0.4 4.557837 4.557837
			key = 0.7071068 2.828427 4 4
			key = 1 4 4 0
		}
		dragMach
		{
			key = 0 0.25 0 -0.8463008
			key = 0.15 0.125 0 0
			key = 0.9 0.375 0.7227947 0.7227947
			key = 1.1 1 0 0
			key = 1.4 0.65 -1.29191 -1.29191
			key = 1.6 0.5 -0.4376471 -0.4376471
			key = 2 0.42 -0.1475873 -0.1475873
			key = 5 0.275 0 0
			key = 25 0.4 0.0006807274 0
		}
	}
	LIFTING_SURFACE
	{
		name = BodyLift
		lift
		{
			key = 0 0 0 1.975376
			key = 0.309017 0.5877852 1.565065 1.565065
			key = 0.5877852 0.9510565 0.735902 0.735902
			key = 0.7071068 1 0 0
			key = 0.8910065 0.809017 -2.70827 -2.70827
			key = 1 0 -11.06124 0
		}
		liftMach
		{
			key = 0.3 0.167 0 0
			key = 0.8 0.167 0 -0.3904104
			key = 1 0.125 -0.0005291355 -0.02625772
			key = 5 0.0625 0 0
			key = 25 0.05 0 0
		}
		drag
		{
			key = 0 0 0 0
		}
		dragMach
		{
			key = 0 0 0 0
		}
	}
	LIFTING_SURFACE
	{
		name = SpeedBrake
		lift
		{
			key = 0 0 0 0
		}
		liftMach
		{
			key = 0 0 0 0
		}
		drag
		{
			key = 0 0.01 0 0
			key = 0.3420201 0.1 0.1750731 0.1750731
			key = 0.5 0.4 4.557837 4.557837
			key = 0.7071068 2.828427 4 4
			key = 1 4 4 0
		}
		dragMach
		{
			key = 0 0.25 0 -0.8463008
			key = 0.15 0.125 0 0
			key = 0.9 0.375 0.7227947 0.7227947
			key = 1.1 1 0 0
			key = 1.4 0.65 -1.29191 -1.29191
			key = 1.6 0.5 -0.4376471 -0.4376471
			key = 2 0.42 -0.1475873 -0.1475873
			key = 5 0.275 0 0
			key = 25 0.4 0.0006807274 0
		}
	}
}

Is that right?

TheRag · May 30, 2015

Well I'm running KSP 1.0.2 I believe so shouldn't it be 1.0.2 anyway? My Physics config:

dragMultiplier = 8.0
dragCubeMultiplier = 0.1
angularDragMultiplier = 2
liftMultiplier = 0.055
liftDragMultiplier = 0.025
bodyLiftMultiplier = 10.7
aeroFXStartThermalFX = 2
aeroFXFullThermalFX = 3.5
aeroFXExponent = 3
thermalMaxIntegrationWarp = 100
spaceTemperature = 4
solarLuminosityAtHome = 1360
solarInsolationAtHome = 0.15
convectionDensityExponent = 1
convectionVelocityExponent = 3
convectionFactorSplashed = 300
fullConvectionAreaMin = 0.2
fullToCrossSectionLerpStart = 0.8
fullToCrossSectionLerpEnd = 1.5
machConvectionStart = 2
machConvectionEnd = 4
machConvectionExponent = 3
partEmissivityExponent = 4
radiationFactor = 1
convectionFactor = 40
newtonianConvectionFactorBase = 2
newtonianConvectionFactorTotal = 3
NewtonianVelocityExponent = 1.5
conductionFactor = 10
internalHeatProductionFactor = 0.03
aerodynamicHeatProductionFactor = 1
standardSpecificHeatCapacity = 800
DRAG_TIP
{
    key = 0 1 0 0
    key = 25 1 0 0
}
DRAG_SURFACE
{
    key = 0 0.02 0 0
    key = 0.85 0.02 0 0
    key = 0.9 0.0152439 -0.07942077 -0.07942077
    key = 1.1 0.0025 -0.005279571 -0.001936768
    key = 2 0.002083333 -2.314833E-05 -2.314833E-05
    key = 5 0.003333333 -0.000180556 -0.000180556
    key = 25 0.001428571 -7.14286E-05 0
}
DRAG_TAIL
{
    key = 0 1 0 0
    key = 0.85 1 0 0
    key = 1.1 0.25 -0.02215106 -0.02487721
    key = 1.4 0.2287166 -0.01326022 -0.001389867
    key = 2 0.275 0.03981932 0.03981932
    key = 5 0.3333333 -0.003474526 -0.02333333
    key = 25 0.1428571 -0.004285714 0
}
DRAG_MULTIPLIER
{
    key = 0 0.5 0 0
    key = 0.85 0.5 0 0
    key = 1.1 2 0 -0.6
    key = 2 1.2 -0.5444444 -0.5444444
    key = 5 0.6 0 0
    key = 10 0.8 0.06700063 0.06700063
    key = 14 0.93 0.006815632 0.006815632
    key = 25 1 0 0
}
LIFTING_SURFACE_CURVES
{
    LIFTING_SURFACE
    {
        name = Default
        lift
        {
            key = 0 0 0 1.965926
            key = 0.258819 0.5114774 1.990092 1.905806
            key = 0.5 0.9026583 0.7074468 -0.7074468
            key = 0.7071068 0.5926583 -2.087948 -1.990095
            key = 1 0 -2.014386 -2.014386
        }
        liftMach
        {
            key = 0 1 0 0
            key = 0.3 0.5 -1.671345 -0.8273422
            key = 1 0.125 -0.0005291355 -0.02625772
            key = 5 0.0625 0 0
            key = 25 0.05 0 0
        }
        drag
        {
            key = 0 0.01 0 0
            key = 0.3420201 0.1 0.1750731 0.1750731
            key = 0.5 0.4 4.557837 4.557837
            key = 0.7071068 2.828427 4 4
            key = 1 4 4 0
        }
        dragMach
        {
            key = 0 0.25 0 -0.8463008
            key = 0.15 0.125 0 0
            key = 0.9 0.375 0.7227947 0.7227947
            key = 1.1 1 0 0
            key = 1.4 0.65 -1.29191 -1.29191
            key = 1.6 0.5 -0.4376471 -0.4376471
            key = 2 0.42 -0.1475873 -0.1475873
            key = 5 0.275 0 0
            key = 25 0.4 0.0006807274 0
        }
    }
    LIFTING_SURFACE
    {
        name = BodyLift
        lift
        {
            key = 0 0 0 1.975376
            key = 0.309017 0.5877852 1.565065 1.565065
            key = 0.5877852 0.9510565 0.735902 0.735902
            key = 0.7071068 1 0 0
            key = 0.8910065 0.809017 -2.70827 -2.70827
            key = 1 0 -11.06124 0
        }
        liftMach
        {
            key = 0.3 0.167 0 0
            key = 0.8 0.167 0 -0.3904104
            key = 1 0.125 -0.0005291355 -0.02625772
            key = 5 0.0625 0 0
            key = 25 0.05 0 0
        }
        drag
        {
            key = 0 0 0 0
        }
        dragMach
        {
            key = 0 0 0 0
        }
    }
    LIFTING_SURFACE
    {
        name = SpeedBrake
        lift
        {
            key = 0 0 0 0
        }
        liftMach
        {
            key = 0 0 0 0
        }
        drag
        {
            key = 0 0.01 0 0
            key = 0.3420201 0.1 0.1750731 0.1750731
            key = 0.5 0.4 4.557837 4.557837
            key = 0.7071068 2.828427 4 4
            key = 1 4 4 0
        }
        dragMach
        {
            key = 0 0.25 0 -0.8463008
            key = 0.15 0.125 0 0
            key = 0.9 0.375 0.7227947 0.7227947
            key = 1.1 1 0 0
            key = 1.4 0.65 -1.29191 -1.29191
            key = 1.6 0.5 -0.4376471 -0.4376471
            key = 2 0.42 -0.1475873 -0.1475873
            key = 5 0.275 0 0
            key = 25 0.4 0.0006807274 0
        }
    }
}

Is that right?

Yes that is right...are you coming full on reentry or doing an abort test? The shuttle retains a lot of speed because it required cross range. The shuttle would always pass by the landing site to bleed off speed, then turn back, and land. What is your attempted landing speed?

cheech420now · May 31, 2015

We need to fix the downloads. They are way too confusing!

Jeast · May 31, 2015

Meeb, are your oms tanks completely empty when landing? The weight of the fuel will shift the CoM drasticly enough to change the flight characteristics a lot. I have found that you need a lot less lift te be able to land after an abort but that when you do a reentry with the same amount of lift in the parameter you go nose down from reentry to ground. I cannot understand how that can be and it is probably some kind of bug. I created the last configs only based on a complete reentry and you should not be able to float and stall at 55m/s. Real life the shuttle should even float better than this as the shuttle increased speed at a 15 degrees glideslope while in ksp you have to fly a 30 degree glideslope to stay at speed. But this is probably more related to drag and hopefully I can get this far with further tweaking.

If you still have this floating issue please let me know and give all the details so I can try to replicate it.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Jeast

MrMeeb · May 31, 2015

Yes that is right...are you coming full on reentry or doing an abort test? The shuttle retains a lot of speed because it required cross range. The shuttle would always pass by the landing site to bleed off speed, then turn back, and land. What is your attempted landing speed?

My attempted landing speed was around 80m/s, and I found that I could float it to about 20m/s

Meeb, are your oms tanks completely empty when landing? The weight of the fuel will shift the CoM drasticly enough to change the flight characteristics a lot. I have found that you need a lot less lift te be able to land after an abort but that when you do a reentry with the same amount of lift in the parameter you go nose down from reentry to ground. I cannot understand how that can be and it is probably some kind of bug. I created the last configs only based on a complete reentry and you should not be able to float and stall at 55m/s. Real life the shuttle should even float better than this as the shuttle increased speed at a 15 degrees glideslope while in ksp you have to fly a 30 degree glideslope to stay at speed. But this is probably more related to drag and hopefully I can get this far with further tweaking.
If you still have this floating issue please let me know and give all the details so I can try to replicate it.

I would dump all but about 100 units for maneuvering...surely that can't have such a drastic effect? I'll dump all of it and see what happens. Thanks

Jeast · May 31, 2015

100 should indeed not have too drastic of an effect. Did you use rcs during the flare?

We need more testers and details to replicate.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Jeast

Mike-NZ · May 31, 2015

Sorry for the lateness. Blender is messing me around. But i got the dump valve, drogue chute in tail. Control surfaces use power. Adjusted oms fuel and added an electricity generator (fuel cel) that consumes fuel.

I will put it up as a complete upload. Sorry wheels not ready yet...

But I have been testing the one piece orbiter and a new cabin that you can see through the windows into the cockpit.

Thanks jeast I will include your latest work and thanks to the testers also

iDisOrder · May 31, 2015

But I have been testing the one piece orbiter and a new cabin that you can see through the windows into the cockpit.

Tyren · May 31, 2015

Is the announced version up yet? I dumped FAR and will try again.

- - - Updated - - -

Doesnt look like, still package 5.

Mike-NZ · May 31, 2015

Not just yet guys sorry

TheRag · June 1, 2015

Take your time, there is no rush.

sp1989 · June 1, 2015

Take your time, there is no rush.

Agreed you have come so far so quickly, make sure everything is right and then release it when you are ready.

iDisOrder · June 1, 2015

How did I miss this video on the thread??

First off, that landing was amazing!

I dream of landing like that.

How did you set targeting the runway on the navball?

Is that as simple as clicking the runway and "set as target"?

(I've never been landing close enough to try is why I ask)

Secondly, I watched that video 3 times in full screen on a 52" screen.

It gave me goose bumps

EDIT: I vote to stick this video on page 1!

...at least until there's a completed version model

Edited June 1, 2015 by iDisOrder

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