KSP 1.0 save files hidden? My .craft missing

[Amishacker]

I started clean last month with 1.0, patched to KSP x86 v1.0.830 (in Win 7) and began one game of each type.

I played pure stock a bit and wanted to share some .craft files, but my creations were nowhere to be found.

The 'saves' folder I expected contains 'scenarios' and 'training', but my new saves are absent.

So much grumblecakes!

I searched the install. None of my .craft files (only stock craft) exist in the file system, and no .sfs files exist either.

I was far more comfortable testing things in sandbox and moving/sharing crafts so this contains exceedingly sad panda

New saves are hidden somewhere, but they aren't hidden files. I can't find mention of this concern on the forum here.

As an experiment, I moved a <savename> from KSP x86 .90.0.37 into the expected '<KSP_root>/saves' folder of 1.0.2

That save now shows up in-game under the 'resume game' options, and it loads/saves mostly normally (it's mildly modded and kraken-eaten)

I downloaded a .zip of the windows x86 1.0.2 install, and the hidden save behavior remains. All my new saves work but are hidden.

Are new saves stored in a database file instead of the file system now? Where are they hiding? Is my system alone in this behavior?

The workaround I have of creating the folder manually from an old install is my only way to 3D print or share my crafts now. Blerg.

Apologies for the grumblecakes.

Please help

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Oh, PS: I thought about posting this in support, but I found the tutorials on exporting .craft files here.

This seems like a feature rather than a bug introduced when going to release, but I'll be happy to move to support.

Edited June 4, 2015 by Amishacker

[TheXRuler]

Wellllll that's weird Oo do you still have your savefiles etc when launching directly from the KSP_win directory?

If not maybe you are looking at a clean install? I know this sounds dumb but it's hapened a few time to me with all the different versions with and without mods and with different sets of mods

[FancyMouse]

My guess is the game isn't run with admin privilege and then it puts your save somewhere else (your document folder or something)

[Vanamonde]

Windows does weird stuff with your saves if you put the game in 'program files,' and they can be hard to find. Move the game to its own folder and start a new save. It should be right where you expect it to be.

[Specialist290]

I've noticed you've got the game installed in your Program Files (x86) directory. Usually, if something's installed there, it'll save the data somewhere else on the computer, for reasons I've never been able to properly fathom. Usually, this is in somewhere like "C:\Users\[Profile Name]\AppData\Local\VirtualStore" which will have a duplicate Program Files (x86) folder that stores all the data you've saved to the computer.

As Vanamonde mentioned, if you want to keep everything in one place, you may want to relocate the game files somewhere outside of the Program Files (x86) folder.

[MarvinKitFox]

For now, just do a search of c: for "*.sfs"

This will show you where your savefile actually ended up.

To prevent this, put your KSP folder somewhere outside of "Program Files"(x86)", or edit the folder to give your current user unrestricted rights in the KSP and all subfolders.

(this may or may not *fix* your problem, likely KSP now remembers this new location and will save there regardless)

What happened is that KSP tried to save, was denied permission, and found some other place where it was allowed to create the savefiles.

[BlackHat]

One of the things I have used for years is a "C:Games" folder.

I install all games that give me an option in that folder. So in my case KSP is in "C:Games/KSP1.0.2"

[Amishacker]

Thank you for the many and various responses guys.

Basically, spot on. Windows being weird for permission reasons.

The zip version simply unzips - I always ran without admin permissions in a folder (Program Filesx86) where it lacked write access without admin permissions.

Result: Virtual folder - where stuff was hiding

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\KSP_win\saves\<savename>\<stuffstuff>

(One) Solution: Grant permissions, move save file from virtual folder to saves folder

Right click, properties, then:

KSP, though running at the time didn't mind at all, and neither the save I moved from .90 nor the save from virtual is bugged (yet).

It's saving where I want now. Huzzah and thankee.

ps: I have a 'games' folder too, but some games are weird about path changes, or were in days of yore. That folder is full of tabletop RPGs and old save files anyway.

Off-topic, but I do the 'system disk fast SSD secondary disk big archive' thing so anything executable usually goes defaulty-places.

I might poke around and see if KSP can be coerced into loading/saving on my 'archive' disk without performance loss.

Edited June 4, 2015 by Amishacker

[maltesh]

One of the things I have used for years is a "C:Games" folder.

I install all games that give me an option in that folder. So in my case KSP is in "C:Games/KSP1.0.2"

Personally, I put the download-and-unzip software in "C:\Program Files (Uninstalled)\"

Keeps the programs I can just delete outright separate from the ones that I should be hitting up "Add/Remove Programs" for.