Amy did KSP!

[GoSlash27]

I personally don't care about the plagiarism. She took the opportunity to use KSP to educate us about an early moment in America's space program. I never knew about "Blossom rockets" or the Albert flights before.

I always find Amy's space history videos fascinating.

Best,

-Slashy

[Alshain]

Because she made the video, and it's a huge punch in her credibility's face to be outed on 4 plagiarized articles/blogs of hers. Reading into the link's comments and on other sites, there are many many more articles that she plagiarized. Yet she doesn't respond properly or even apologize, she just keeps doing it and removes posts/articles when she gets busted.

Time passes and her peers and fans may forget. But anyone who is someone in that field is looking down on her. Fake it till you make it right? Not always... Things have a tendency to come back to haunt people just when things are getting good for them.

But what does it have to do with the video?

[xtoro]

I personally don't care about the plagiarism. She took the opportunity to use KSP to educate us about an early moment in America's space program. I never knew about "Blossom rockets" or the Albert flights before.

I always find Amy's space history videos fascinating.

Best,

-Slashy

I agree, and I am subscribed to her channel, but I rarely ever click on anything unless it's something very recent in the news that I haven't read somewhere else yet,

But what does it have to do with the video?

I know you were initially asking Johnny Wishbone that question but I will answer again. It has to do because Amy made the video. If it was just Joe Shmoe, then cool, whatever. If it was Scott Manley, likely awesome. But it was Amy who made it, and she has a reputation.

It's like the Chinese company GooPhone (yes it's real) for example coming out with a high-end smartphone with awesome specs that rival the top companies in the field. Would I buy it? No. Why? Because they're known for making clones of phones such as the Samsung S5 using sub-par parts, and the phones are known for physically breaking easily within months and just plain bricking themselves. The reason I wouldn't buy it isn't because I dislike the Samsung S5, it's because of who makes the product in question (GooPhone).

Amy makes a product in the form of videos, articles and blogs, but she has a history of making "clones" if you will. But in her case, she didn't even have to put forth as much effort to clone her product, all she needed was a keyboard. This video, is one of her products. New and original content or not, she's still no better than GooPhone. Even if they did start making their own original lines of smartphones, their reputation is already tarnished. Luckily for Amy, in the world of constant twitter feeds and youtube videos, things like this get lost for some.

Edited September 22, 2015 by xtoro

[Alshain]

I agree, and I am subscribed to her channel, but I rarely ever click on anything unless it's something very recent in the news that I haven't read somewhere else yet,

I know you were initially asking Johnny Wishbone that question but I will answer again. It has to do because Amy made the video. If it was just Joe Shmoe, then cool, whatever. If it was Scott Manley, likely awesome. But it was Amy who made it, and she has a reputation.

It's like the Chinese company GooPhone (yes it's real) for example coming out with a high-end smartphone with awesome specs that rival the top companies in the field. Would I buy it? No. Why? Because they're known for making clones of phones such as the Samsung S5 using sub-par parts, and the phones are known for physically breaking easily within months and just plain bricking themselves. The reason I wouldn't buy it isn't because I dislike the Samsung S5, it's because of who makes the product in question (GooPhone).

Amy makes a product, but she has a history of making "clones" if you will. But in her case, she didn't even have to put forth as much effort to clone her product, all she needed was a keyboard. This video, is one of her products. New and original content or not, she's still no better than GooPhone.

Ok, fine, but it was also two years ago and she seemed to want to settle the issue. Are you saying her video is plagiarized? I don't think that is even possible. Or are you saying making a mistake condemns you forever?

At the risk of repeating myself for a 3rd time, what does it have to do with the video?

[Slam_Jones]

Ok, fine, but it was also two years ago and she seemed to want to settle the issue. Are you saying her video is plagiarized? I don't think that is even possible. Or are you saying making a mistake condemns you forever?

At the risk of repeating myself for a 3rd time, what does it have to do with the video?

Well, in a lot of fields, blatant plagiarism can ruin your career. I'm guessing that's not a coincidence. Should Youtubers be an exception?

[GoSlash27]

But what does it have to do with the video?

^ Seriously. She's not a rocket scientist and never claimed to be. She's just an entertaining space buff who makes fun educational videos. AFAIK she never claimed to have done all the legwork herself.

A lot of people on this forum "plagiarize" techniques that *I* pioneered and everything that I have ever done in KSP is based on the work of others who I almost never properly credit. This is the accepted price of making tutorials or videos.

They recognize their own handiwork in others' creations just as I recognize mine. And we don't sit around complaining about "proper attribution". The idea is to further understanding and progress, not seek recognition.

This all sounds asinine to me.

Best,

-Slashy

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I agree, and I am subscribed to her channel, but I rarely ever click on anything unless it's something very recent in the news that I haven't read somewhere else yet

xtoro,

Well, that's where we differ I suppose.

I don't subscribe to her channel, but I watch her space history videos and I enjoy them. If somebody else did a "I'm going to tell you about the Albert flights while recreating one in KSP" video, I'm not aware of it and I bet it wasn't as good as hers.

Best,

-Slashy

[SciMan]

She didn't really play it, she just used it to show an example. Other than her using it as a tool, the video subject was 99% Albert Monkeys and 1% KSP. I thumbs downed it bcs monkeys don't interest me

As a KSP player, I'd assume there's at least ONE monkey you're interested in.

(check the SQUAD logo again if you didn't get the joke)

[Alshain]

Well, in a lot of fields, blatant plagiarism can ruin your career. I'm guessing that's not a coincidence. Should Youtubers be an exception?

Despite monetization, I don't think I'd count "YouTuber" as a career field.

[SpacedCowboy]

Slashy, you are so right on here. Don't understand the negativity being expressed. Why should something being informative and educational be frowned on? Don't get it.

[CloudlessEchoes]

^ Seriously. She's not a rocket scientist and never claimed to be. She's just an entertaining space buff who makes fun educational videos. AFAIK she never claimed to have done all the legwork herself.

A lot of people on this forum "plagiarize" techniques that *I* pioneered and everything that I have ever done in KSP is based on the work of others who I almost never properly credit. This is the accepted price of making tutorials or videos.

They recognize their own handiwork in others' creations just as I recognize mine. And we don't sit around complaining about "proper attribution". The idea is to further understanding and progress, not seek recognition.

This all sounds asinine to me.

Best,

-Slashy

It wasn't an issue with a youtube video, she plagiarized an entire journalistic research article from a Smithsonian publication, and submitted it to several online publications. It's not "asinine", it's a serious journalistic problem. The publications pulled the article when it was reported to them (they aren't exactly the type of sites I would hold high in journalistic integrity however). No apology or acknowledgement was ever given. I and many others won't support someone with that lack of ethics. YMMV. And lots of people make a living off of youtube, it's quite lucrative.

Edited September 22, 2015 by CloudlessEchoes

[The_Rocketeer]

If you guys get so antsy about plagiarism, how do you feel about identity theft?

That's right, I AM AMY!

[GoSlash27]

Cloudless Echoes,

Launching a rocket in KSP and talking about an old obscure research progran isn't "journalism", so nope... still don't care. It will matter to me if I'm ever running a publication and she submits an article.

The_Rocketeer,

You can't be. She said she was no good at KSP.

Best,

-Slashy

[Johnny Wishbone]

So, the topic of this thread is "Amy did KSP!" not "here's a video about rhesus monkeys and their impact on America's early manned space program; also demonstrated by playing a computer game called KSP." Therefore, Amy is the subject of this discussion, and not necessarily the content of the posted video. Prior to my post, there were several posts regarding Amy herself: who is she, comments on her physical attractiveness, and also her background and credentials. None of those comments had anything directly to do with the content of the video either, but apparently were considered valid comments to this thread. Since her background and credentials were being discussed, I made a post about her history of ripping off other people's work without credit, and provided a link as proof of the facts. Apparently this ruffled some feathers. I don't know why; it is just as relevant as the rest of the comments about her and it is equally relevant to the overall topic itself (ie: Amy).

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I never heard of her prior to this video and frankly don't care if she's genuine or Fakey McFakerstein from Faketown with her fakepants on. I watched the posted video, Googled her name, and found the article about her repeated plagairism. I posted that link because it was information about her that is just as valid to the topic at hand as all the previous comments about her. If someone feels the need to white knight this girl, go ahead. She's still not going to sleep with you and the fact remains that she blatantly ripped off other people's work without permission or providing due credit.

Edited September 22, 2015 by Johnny Wishbone

[mythic_fci]

SmartS. You know, Jedediah is a BadS, I'm a SmartS

Stop discriminating! You know I'm a DumbS and an S in general...

[wossname]

Well, that was pretty boring and lame.

But 8:35 made it totally worth it...

Simulation flight?

Edited September 22, 2015 by wossname

[Sirad]

The space race was pretty openly perceived as being about whether "our Nazis" were better than "their Nazis".

Well. The superior work of German Rocket Scientists should be awarded, regardless of the Political System that was established that times.

Dunno why this nonsense ....-Jabber continues today, maybe the Americans/Russians are trying to establish the myth they would have been capable of flying into space without the help of Germans, by changing the Term 'German Scientists' into the more impersonal '....' sheme ?

I'm Proud to live in that Country, where Rockets first entered Space!

[Johnny Wishbone]

Well. The superior work of German Rocket Scientists should be awarded, regardless of the Political System that was established that times.

Dunno why this nonsense ....-Jabber continues today, maybe the Americans/Russians are trying to establish the myth they would have been capable of flying into space without the help of Germans, by changing the Term 'German Scientists' into the more impersonal '....' sheme ?

I don't know about that. The influence and contributions to the American space program by German scientists has always been well established and recognized, at least in the version of history that I learned. I can't say what revisionist history is being spewed out to the kids today, though.

I'm Proud to live in that Country, where Rockets first entered Space!

As you should be. It's too bad your government wasn't able to continue in the post-war era. A three way "race" would have pushed all countries involved to achieve even more than they already have.

[The_Rocketeer]

The_Rocketeer,

You can't be. She said she was no good at KSP.

Well, now you're just fishing for rep Slashy. Don't worry it totally worked!

[Plume & Akakak]

Given the direction this thread has gone, I think we could invoke Igor and Grichka Bogdanov.

[GoSlash27]

Johnny Wishbone,

I'm not worked up about it, I just don't care.

Had Scott Manley committed international wire fraud, I wouldn't particularly care about that either. The videos are still just as entertaining and informative.

Best,

-Slashy

[Laie]

Dunno why this nonsense ....-Jabber continues today, maybe the Americans/Russians are trying to establish the myth they would have been capable of flying into space without the help of Germans,

Myth? You almost make it sound as if rockets would never have happened without german contribution. By 1930, "everybody" knew that rockets are possible and how they would work in principle. It was one of those inventions whose time was ripe. All it took was someone willing to underwrite the R&D costs.

What the germans brought to the table was a large scale design that worked in practice, together with a lot of hands-on experience. Important? Certainly. Indispensable? No way.

Going off on an alt-history tangent, I'm not sure if the US(SR) would have been as willing to fund rocket development in the 50s if there had been no proof that it can be done. Or, for that matter, if there had been no nukes: all the early launchers were first and foremost ICBMs, after all. One can certainly doubt if orbit-capable rockets would have been developed in the absence of a military payload. Looking at it from that angle, even Klaus Fuchs bears some responsibility for the space race happening when it did. (oh boy, yet another german...)

[maceemiller]

This woman is a History buff, a Gamer, and not a clueless liberal blonde.

as a moderately sapiosexual human, I think I'm in love.

Amen to that sir!

[Johnny Wishbone]

Johnny Wishbone,

I'm not worked up about it, I just don't care.

Had Scott Manley committed international wire fraud, I wouldn't particularly care about that either. The videos are still just as entertaining and informative.

Best,

-Slashy

Ha! Neither would I.

My response wasn't aimed so much at you, but more at the OP's responses to my post and other people's responses:

Ok? What is your point? How does that matter to the video?

But what does it have to do with the video?

Ok, fine, but it was also two years ago and she seemed to want to settle the issue. Are you saying her video is plagiarized? I don't think that is even possible. Or are you saying making a mistake condemns you forever?

At the risk of repeating myself for a 3rd time, what does it have to do with the video?

[GDJ]

You what guys and gals? I'm going to opt out of this thread, plug in some of her video's and enjoy them for what they are:

Informative eye candy.

[Tourist]

I don't know about that. The influence and contributions to the American space program by German scientists has always been well established and recognized, at least in the version of history that I learned. I can't say what revisionist history is being spewed out to the kids today, though.

As you should be. It's too bad your government wasn't able to continue in the post-war era. A three way "race" would have pushed all countries involved to achieve even more than they already have.

Well. The superior work of German Rocket Scientists should be awarded, regardless of the Political System that was established that times.

Dunno why this nonsense ....-Jabber continues today, maybe the Americans/Russians are trying to establish the myth they would have been capable of flying into space without the help of Germans, by changing the Term 'German Scientists' into the more impersonal '....' sheme ?

I'm Proud to live in that Country, where Rockets first entered Space!

Myth? You almost make it sound as if rockets would never have happened without german contribution. By 1930, "everybody" knew that rockets are possible and how they would work in principle. It was one of those inventions whose time was ripe. All it took was someone willing to underwrite the R&D costs.

What the germans brought to the table was a large scale design that worked in practice, together with a lot of hands-on experience. Important? Certainly. Indispensable? No way.

Going off on an alt-history tangent, I'm not sure if the US(SR) would have been as willing to fund rocket development in the 50s if there had been no proof that it can be done. Or, for that matter, if there had been no nukes: all the early launchers were first and foremost ICBMs, after all. One can certainly doubt if orbit-capable rockets would have been developed in the absence of a military payload. Looking at it from that angle, even Klaus Fuchs bears some responsibility for the space race happening when it did. (oh boy, yet another german...)

Underlying the historical concern with the German scientists impact on the space program and attempts to find a visionary version which minimizes their importance, is a sense that their contribution is tainted by the despicable totalitarian regime in which they worked during the 30s and 40s.

I think its important to remember the German Scientists were already keenly involved in many respects in "amateur" rocketry before the regime in Germany came to power. The regime certainly saw the opportunity to create weapons from this interest and research and because of this advanced it from "amateur" to professional... but rocketry advancements cannot be entirety argued to because of the regimes endeavors. (There was also "amateur" rocketry happening in the US, USSR and many other countries around that time)

Also while the regime in Germany in the 30's and 40's was absolutely, undeniably and irredeemably reprehensible, we need to ask to what extent do its crimes tar everybody living under that regime at the time. Were not, to a greater and lesser extent, every freedom denied person living in Germany at the time also its victims (obviously to a much lesser extent than the victims it enslaved and murdered of course).

Sure the rocket scientists were probably members of the national socialist party... pretty much every non-minority German needed to be at the time. But to what extent are they actually National Socialist Party (the forum does not seem to like the common term for this group... there must be Godwin's law protections on the site) scientists? I haven't read much about the scientists political convictions, is their any suggestion they bought in to the regimes racist policies? Did they support the regime any further than involvement it its war efforts? How much should accident of birth determine whether you are a international "hero" or international "villain".

Edited September 23, 2015 by Tourist