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CRS-2 Contenders- Who do you think will get the contract?

fredinno

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WHO WILL WIN?  

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  1. 1. WHO WILL WIN?

    • SNC Dream Chaser
      12
    • SpaceX Dragon
      99
    • OrbitalATK Cygnus
      26
    • Boeing CST-100 Starliner
      38
    • Lockheed Martin Jupiter-Exoliner Space Tug (FOR TECHNOLOGY DEMONSTRATION, NOT FULL CRS CONTRACT)
      4

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Kryten

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Well, for a start space co-operation as the Chinese are trying to go for is not remotely comparable to purchasing rides from a commercial american entity; they want to share the costs to get a more ambitious programme, not spend money to replicate capability they already have. Same applies for most other agencies. For another thing, there is no way Bigelow would make any kind of deal with China. This is a man who genuinely thinks China is going to claim the moon, and that this would be, and this is a direct quote, 'something the United States would not recover from for hundreds of years'. This isn't just a minor detail, he gives this is a big reason he funds space activites.

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For the CRS-2 contract: Atlas V, from Florida.

(I am going to assume the offer has contingencies for replacing the Atlas V with a different vehicle, like the Vulcan, should it get retired before the end of the contract period.)

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20 minutes ago, Delta_8930 said:

What LV is the dream chaser going to ride on?

In promotional stuff they mention both Atlas V or Ariane V, or anything with a 5m fairing. 

EDIT: the gadget-fan in me is so happy about Dream Chaser actually becoming a thing.

EDIT2: also, the 2016 test flight is supposed to be Atlas V

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38 minutes ago, Nibb31 said:

I'm not a fan of putting wings and landing gear on a capsule

I'd be with you if it was starving capsules of funding, like certain other vehicles, but this way I'm happy to see some variety, both for aesthetic reasons, and because a bit of redundancy and alternative design can be healthy.

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There's a 1.0.5 fixed version, but...  not really UPDATED.  It can survive launch and reentry in the new heat and aero model, but delta-v is still way out of whack, and i think the control surfaces have too much command authority...  It DEFINITELY needs a balance pass.

I haven't felt overwhelming demand from the community to keep working on it, but if folks are interested I'll gladly take another look...  or even better, feel free to tweak and submit .cfg files to me and I'll include them in future versions!  At this point I'll probably wait for 1.1 before doing anything much with it, just to see if anything relevant changes.

Also - due to what I consider a failure of vision...  the company that makes the real life shuttle we're discussing in this thread does NOT want a version of their craft in KSP where tomorrow's aerospace engineers and decision-makers might develop an affinity for their product...  they asked Kerbal Stuff to remove the mod when it was named after their shuttle and utilized their logo and livery colors... so...  if you discuss my mod, please DON'T bring up any similarities it might have to the winged reusable craft that was one of the winners of CRS-2.  For our purposes, it's a totally separate game asset that derives inspiration from several sources, and doesn't attempt to accurately portray any particular real world items that may be patented or trademarked!

My mod includes a...  not OVERLY detailed, but passable version of the Atlas 402 configuration, with Centaur-D IIA for the second stage.  It's got the total stack.   I didn't waste THOUSANDS of tri's on the launcher, as it gets discarded so early in the mission and I wanted to focus on the shuttle!  I'd be happy to talk to anyone making a ULA launcher pack about coordinating for better launchers.  My shuttle is scaled to mate to any 2.5m launcher, actually BUTTTTTTT  KSP simplifies Aero to a great degree -  "COL in front of COM or BOOM."  In the real world, engine gimballing and excellent flight computers make it possible to launch something like a winged shuttle on top of a fin-free launch stack...  but in the game this requires some 'liberty' with the launcher.  My Atlas Engine has a hacky amount of drag and aero profile, and a LOT of gimbal range to allow it to compensate for a launch stack that isn't statically stable.  So, any other launcher you put this thing on top of is going to need some real thought put into this aspect.  Those wings are a lot of lift to be that high up on a rocket!

Anyway - the 1.0.5 version is here in the new thread:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/126208-dreamer-v13-vertical-launch-horizontal-recovery-space-plane-updated-for-105/

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fredinno

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6 hours ago, Streetwind said:

For the CRS-2 contract: Atlas V, from Florida.

(I am going to assume the offer has contingencies for replacing the Atlas V with a different vehicle, like the Vulcan, should it get retired before the end of the contract period.)

Spoiler: Atlas V will continue flying through 2019- CST-100 would need to be recertified for Vulcan, and Vulcan is probably delayed a few years now that ULA has breathing room for its engine usage.

6 hours ago, ModZero said:

In promotional stuff they mention both Atlas V or Ariane V, or anything with a 5m fairing. 

EDIT: the gadget-fan in me is so happy about Dream Chaser actually becoming a thing.

EDIT2: also, the 2016 test flight is supposed to be Atlas V

Atlas V. Ariane V is European, so fat chance it will get any launches from Dream Chaser.

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fredinno

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Why in the world is NASA paying for 3 payload suppliers? Does it need TRIPLE redundancy? (I know that both suppliers failed last year, them Progress, but ISS generally has enough supplies to last months.) I also doubt Dream Chaser will see too many flights, its payload capacity is pretty big.

 

Seems like a waste, though SNC is probably on its own funneling up money to develop the Dream Chaser, unlike SpaceX and OrbitalATK, at least from what I understand, which reduces the chances of Dream Chaser making the timeframe for its launch, but also saves NASA quite a bit.

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fredinno

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2 hours ago, SuperFastJellyfish said:

Well, the whole point of this project is to pump up private aerospace.  I see no problem with having more hats in the ring.   :)

Makes it more difficult to get Congressional funding, though SNC likely has more influence than SpaceX in THAT ring....

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Dr.K Kerbal

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I love Space x and my cousin works at Space x. I just have one question. When I download the spaceX Heavy lifters pack, none of the parts are there and there are supposed to be parts like 2.5 metre boosters and 75 metre fuel tanks and engines. I am starting to think that this is a problem I do when downloading like me not installing properly. Maybe the file does not completely install but I would like to ask you because when I looked up SpaceX, most of the comments had your profile picture in them. Yes. That is a fact.

So I would like to know why.

Dr. K Kerbal

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