Doconicus Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Oh, I'll ask, There has been some debate in the astrophysics community, that there may be some serious science to back that <gulp> Geocentrism is real. Meaning that the Earth is indeed the center of the universe. I would ask, how would or could someone create a Kerbin Centrism model to see what that would be like. Oh and flaming me is just a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majorjim! Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Please don't do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaarst Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Technically, the Earth is the centre of the observable universe. For proper geocentrism, I am going to have to ask for some sources, because this is hard to believe. A Kerbocentric model would probably look like the previous geocentric models: with the Sun orbiting somewhere between Duna and Dres, though the exact order of the planets would probably change. Gameplay-wise, that would mean that going interplanetary would just be like going to the Mun or Minmus, only a bit further. Edited December 2, 2015 by Gaarst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A35K Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Not trying to "flame you", but where is this "serious science"? As for creating it in KSP, hyper edit might work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jros83 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Could you give more detail about this talk about Geocentrism? We know that literally, the Earth is not in the galactic center (we wouldn't be alive if it were anyway), and as for the spread of the known universe I haven't heard anything about the Milky Way being "center." So what exactly are they talking about, if not referring to Geocentrism as a way of thinking? Asking for real, not flaming. As for Kerbin, and speaking physically and literally, there is no other solar system in the game, let alone another galaxy altogether, to measure by, and Kerbin being a planet is not in the center to begin with... Edited December 2, 2015 by jros83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majorjim! Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Just now, Gaarst said: Technically, the Earth is the centre of the observable universe. For proper geocentrism, I am going to have to ask for some sources, because this is hard to believe. A Kerbocentric model would probably look like the previous geocentric models: with the Sun orbiting somewhere between Duna and Dres, though the exact order of the planets would probably change. Gameplay-wise, that would mean that going interplanetary would just be like going to the Mun or Minmus, only a bit further. Every point you observe from is the 'center' of the observable universe. The Universe has no center. The initial expansion happened everywhere simultaneously. Edited December 2, 2015 by Majorjim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarin Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) I'm going to hazard a guess that the "debate" is that creation-science documentary from last year "The Principle" (the only thing I could find on the topic in recent history). It's the worst kind of bad science and handwavium, centered around human destiny and intentionally misrepresenting what dark matter and dark energy are. Also taking short clips from long interviews with actual astrophysicists and playing them out of order and out of context. Edited December 2, 2015 by Jarin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worir4 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Isn't the Kerbin already sort of the centre? The skybox looks like it although the true centre of the kerbal universe from a kerbals perspective is the Sun. I wonder if you could mod the sun to orbit kerbin, hmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaarst Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jarin said: I'm going to hazard a guess that the "debate" is that creation-science documentary from last year "The Principle" (the only thing I could find on the topic in recent history). It's the worst kind of bad science and handwavium, centered around human destiny and intentionally misrepresenting what dark matter and dark energy are. Also taking short clips from long interviews with actual astrophysicists and playing them out of order and out of context. 43 minutes ago, Doconicus said: serious science Creationism is not relevant here, and if it is then this post is going to be locked soon. Let's avoid the subject and stick to KSP then. Edited December 2, 2015 by Gaarst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I can easily see this topic getting out of hand, so I will throw my two cents into the ring. It is human nature to approach what we do not understand through the lens of what we do observe around us. It's the same with geocentrism. Even our space exploration and search for extraterrestrial intelligent life efforts are based on geocentric theories about what is out there. NASA's attempts to find "intelligent life" are based on finding planets in "habitable zones" defined as a temperature range that can support the existence of liquid water. This is because on Earth, nearly every form of life contains H2O in some form. Who's to say that all intelligent life must depend on water? What if there is a form of intelligent life that thrives on ammonia in the same manner as life on our planet requires and thrives on water? Who is to say that all intelligent life must be carbon-based? Once we get beyond of thinking of life as having a similar genetic makeup as we have and stick with what we know all living things must do (reproduce, feed to produce energy, respirate), then we develop a wider net in the search for intelligent life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastikator Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Every point in space is the center of the universe. The Earth on the other hand is most certainly not stationary in space, if we're at the center of the universe right now then a second later we're dozens of kilometers away from that point unlikely to ever return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magico13 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 57 minutes ago, Doconicus said: I would ask, how would or could someone create a Kerbin Centrism model to see what that would be like. I'm not a planetary modder, just a plugin developer, so take this with a grain of salt. I don't think you can reparent the Sun without issues. Though you can reparent Kerbin and there are mods that make the Sun orbit a black hole, so I might be wrong. I can't think of any time someone has made a mod where the center body can be landed on, let alone launched from, so I don't know if that's even possible to do. It does sound like it'd be really interesting though and if someone does it I'd like to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaSilisko Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 [citation needed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Well, if you're looking at it from a relativity standpoint, wherever you are is the center of the observable universe at any given moment. Everything that everyone else sees is relative to their position at the center of their observable universe. So in that way you could say that you are at the center of the universe. This is, however, regardless to the position of the Earth relative to you. So from an observational standpoint, you are at the center and everything else happens relative to you. If you look at it from a higher dimension, then everything in the universe is on the surface of a big expanding balloon of space, and there is no center. I suppose the scientists are referring to the effects of relativity on an observer mentioned above. As for a Kerbocentric universe, that would basically be like any geocentric model, but with Kerbin and the other KSP planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randazzo Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) This is a thread asking for a mod to be created. Fortunately it already exists, though doesn't look like it's been updated: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/123522-104-ktolemy-transforming-the-solar-system-to-avoid-the-spanish-inquisition-since-2015/#comment-2239024 Edited December 2, 2015 by Randazzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The above post links to a relevant mod if you'd like to try out Kerbocentrism. The rest of this topic is awfully flamebait-y, this is a topic better closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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