Poll: Should KSP be rolled back to 1.0.5 until 1.1.x bugs are fixed?

[Temeter]

EDIT: Nvm, you already made a better poll!

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I can play RO without crashing every big launch and lotsa mods+high textures, no force in the world is gonna bring me back to 105. As for stock games, I'd still stay with 110, its sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better in terms of performance and memory. Crashes can be annoying, but my RSS install works surprisingly stable right now. Wheels weren't that much of an issue, not even for early jets.

 

Also, I don't like the poll either. It's a bunch of options that include combinations of explanations and sentiments that are to specific. Comments are a better place for subjective impressions, a poll can only measure very basic sentiments.

Also, asking for an optional 1.0.5 is kinda besides the point, because its a neutral option every could live with. More a question of the most basic tolerance, not really an intersting choice.

I think a neutral poll would be like this:

a) I don't want to play either; I'm waiting for fixes

b) I prefer 1.0.5, a rollback would be fine to me

c) I prefer 1.0.5, but do not agree to a rollback

d) 1.1.2 has issues bothering me, but they are just acceptable

e) 1.1.2 issues are very minor to me, outweighed by its improvements

f) I do not have problems with 1.1.2.

Edited June 1, 2016 by Temeter

[Geschosskopf]

1 hour ago, The_Rocketeer said:

@Geschosskopf you're dead right about discussions. I didn't want a discussion, I wanted data. But people like you, for various reasons, wanted to talk about and criticise my poll. Naturally the only polite thing to do was to discuss it with them.

I'm perplexed.  You asked for opinions in poll format on a topic that you yourself admit is patently impossible without resorting to mob violence, then you turn around and question those who question your motives?  What good does any of this serve?  None that I can see.  If you're one of the few unfortunates having stability issues, then I recommend you do some soul-searching of your system and root out whatever is causing your atypical problems.  OTOH, if all is working well for you, then unless you're offering free tech support to those with stability issues, you're doing the exact opposite of offering help.,

[m4v]

5 hours ago, Geschosskopf said:

I'm perplexed.  You asked for opinions in poll format on a topic that you yourself admit is patently impossible without resorting to mob violence, then you turn around and question those who question your motives?  What good does any of this serve?  None that I can see.  If you're one of the few unfortunates having stability issues, then I recommend you do some soul-searching of your system and root out whatever is causing your atypical problems.  OTOH, if all is working well for you, then unless you're offering free tech support to those with stability issues, you're doing the exact opposite of offering help.,

@The_Rocketeer already made a better poll, so there's no need to continue with this dead horse. And you're quite wrong about the nature of the issues that people are running into. Did you take a look at the bug tracker? is not a few unfortunates nor is nobody's system's fault. I would tell you my personal experience but I have the feeling you'll brush it off as another unfortunate of the few that needs to check his sytem, right?

[The_Rocketeer]

9 hours ago, Geschosskopf said:

I'm perplexed.  You asked for opinions in poll format on a topic that you yourself admit is patently impossible without resorting to mob violence, then you turn around and question those who question your motives?  What good does any of this serve?  None that I can see.  If you're one of the few unfortunates having stability issues, then I recommend you do some soul-searching of your system and root out whatever is causing your atypical problems.  OTOH, if all is working well for you, then unless you're offering free tech support to those with stability issues, you're doing the exact opposite of offering help.,

@Geschosskopf, I am equally perplexed as to why a handful of people seem so confused about what polls do or how they work. I thought my motives in creating a poll were obvious - polls are tools to collect information, ergo I want to see information. Nothing more. Therefore, if I question those who question my motives, it is because I think they are bringing something into this thread with them that alters their view of what I have put here, and I am intrigued as to why that happens. If you can explain it and justify your position, that would help me out enormously. If you can't I think a retraction on your part might be the proper thing, but I won't hold it against you if you just quietly slip away somewhere else.

Further:

1. I don't think I have in fact said a rollback was 'patently impossible', and nor have I suggested anything to do with mobs at all. I certainly don't think mob violence would achieve anything at all in this respect. You still seem to be under the impression that I'm trying to encourage something here. Can you explain in simple steps how you think producing a poll and waiting for answers would achieve this?

2. I'm not a public-service user, I'm an individual with an individual interest in the outcomes of this and other polls. Why should my poll need to serve a 'good'?

3. You in fact don't have to read, open or answer my poll - you can just walk on by. On the other hand, I welcome responses of all kinds, as long as they're open minded about the experiences of others.

4. I'm not 'one of the unfortunates' - my game is tolerably stable. However, your assertion that the 'unfortunates' are 'few' is false. See my post above.

5. You're still making a case for individual system problems for which there is no evidence. I'm not interested in further insubstantiated nonsense. Provide evidence or accept you're wrong.

6. In the sense that the opposite of offering help is -literally- not offering help, yes that's absolutely right. By posting this poll: I am not offering help; I am enquiring about preferences. It's not my job to offer help, but from time to time/when the mood takes me I do in fact look in on the Gameplay and Technical Support forum and offer advice where I can. I think that's the proper place for help, and that this is the proper place for polls.

Edited June 1, 2016 by The_Rocketeer

[Dunbaratu]

On 5/31/2016 at 9:39 PM, Geschosskopf said:

when the relatively small number of folks with stability problems inescapably points to the conclusion that it's something on their end, not Squad's.

Utterly false reasoning there.  Bugs can exist that are entirely the game's fault and not the players, and yet they still only trigger under some activities that not all players are doing.  If you don't know yet which activities trigger the bug and which don't, you cannot make the claim that the bug is the player's fault, or the fault of a particular mod even.   It's entirely possible for a totally stock bug to still not trigger for all players because not all of them have done whatever the unknown secret thing is that makes it happen.  I've never once experienced this orbit decay that other players are talking about.  I've got a career with RT satellite networks up and they stay put where I left them.  That doesn't mean I should assume the other players who do report it must have caused the problem themselves.  It could be that because nobody knows for sure which actions trigger the problem and which don't, that I've just been lucky enough not to have done any of them yet.

[Andem]

On 6/1/2016 at 0:27 AM, Geschosskopf said:

If you're one of the few unfortunates having stability issues, then I recommend you do some soul-searching of your system and root out whatever is causing your atypical problems.

What? "You did it wrong. Go away until you get it right" isn't helpful to anyone, especially when "it's a system issue" has been ruled out in most cases. For all of those Linux users, does that mean that they should take the initiative and get a new OS rather than SQAUD actually fix a glaring issue? I wouldn't call the problems "Atypical" either, considering that the ones without issues appear to be a minority. A system issue isn't an excuse for a problem that has the same symptoms on various systems, that only acts up at random times.

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Edited June 2, 2016 by Andem

[problemecium]

This poll consists entirely of leading questions. Kod forbid one person on this forum actually considers 1.1+ a solid upgrade.

[The_Rocketeer]

@parameciumkid God help me I'm not going thru all this again.

READ THE THREAD.

[problemecium]

Oh okay. Sorry. I try to not be one of those idiots that comments without reading the thread, but not reading the thread is so much easier than actually reading it xP MLIA

[Spaceception]

I don't want it to be rolled back, 1.1.2 is the only version that I can hope will work on my weak laptop.

Maybe a separate link to install 1.0.5 for those who are having problems, but don't roll it back for everyone.

[The_Rocketeer]

Requesting a mod to close this thread now.

[DuoDex]

Locked by request.

[Andem]

Locked?

[Red Iron Crown]

Locked!