Would you prefer a Dres SSTO or an Eve return mission?

[Pecan]

1 minute ago, JacobJHC said:

My videos do not misuse any terminology.

Let's take my Ike SSTO for example,

I have built a craft that can go from the surface of Ike to Ike orbit using only 1 stage, however I also delivered it to Ike's surface by using fuel from that same stage meaning it could qualify for several different terms such as Ike SSTO or Kerbin SSTO.

"Delivered it to Ike's surface by using fuel from that same stage" leaves room for a) First of all I'd assume that meant from LKO to Ike surface with a single stage, after jettisoning stuff once you'd reached LKO in the first place, b) jettisoning stuff once you'd re-reached Ike orbit either time or c) not coming back at all.  None of those restatements are very interesting, per my original post in this thread - a Dres trip is trivial compared to an Eve return.  You didn't claim any return or reusable component so that's moot but without that a Kerbin SSTO is a vehicle that's "complicated just for the point of it", much more so for something that goes beyond LKO.

Per my reply to Firemetal; please don't think I'm trying to get at you except for the use of terms.  If you want to make it a "Single Stage To Dres And Back" I have no problem with it.  If you want to make it a Kerbin SSTO that melts in the sunlight after reaching orbit I have no problem with it.  If you want to make it a spaceplane ... well that's fine too.  Just don't say "SSTO" when you mean something else.

[RocketSquid]

1 hour ago, Pecan said:

Per my reply to Firemetal; please don't think I'm trying to get at you except for the use of terms.  If you want to make it a "Single Stage To Dres And Back" I have no problem with it.  If you want to make it a Kerbin SSTO that melts in the sunlight after reaching orbit I have no problem with it.  If you want to make it a spaceplane ... well that's fine too.  Just don't say "SSTO" when you mean something else.

SSTO does not specify which orbit it's to...

[Vanamonde]

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[Pecan]

13 hours ago, RocketSquid said:

SSTO does not specify which orbit it's to...

Exactly.
So when someone mentions SSTO <celestial body> why should people not assume they are talking about a Single Stage between the surface and Orbit of <that body>.  A "Dres SSTO" means nothhing more than a vehicle that can go from the surface To Orbit of Dres in a Single Stage.  "SSTO" doesn't even say anything about being reusable or being able to complete a round-trip.  You would not expect from the designation that the vehicle would, in fact, be designed for travel to Kerbin (or anywhere else) or to be a spaceplane (the mission being all in vacuum).  As per my original post; all my Dres landers are SSTOs, with the additional features of being reusable and capable of a round-trip (down and back up).  To describe them as "SSTO"s is not enough - how much more does a reusable vehicle designed to launch from Kerbin and complete a Dres round-trip deserve a better name than "SSTO".  Such a design would be complicated and inefficient just for the sake of it but, in any case, still makes no mention of 'spaceplane'.

My whole point here is that saying such a vehicle is Single Stage To Orbit says nothing useful but several misleading things about its design.  "Reusable Single Stage Kerbin Surface To Dres Surface And Back" does it (without mentioning spaceplane) but is rather a mouthful.  Thing is, "Reusable" implies "Single Stage" and "And Back", while the opposite implication is falacious (making a pedant like me shake his stick).  How does "RSS K-D" suit everyone (Reusable Surface-Surface, Kerbin-Dres)?  Add 'spaceplane' if you feel the need.

[RocketSquid]

1 hour ago, Pecan said:

My whole point here is that saying such a vehicle is Single Stage To Orbit says nothing useful but several misleading things about its design.  "Reusable Single Stage Kerbin Surface To Dres Surface And Back" does it (without mentioning spaceplane) but is rather a mouthful.  Thing is, "Reusable" implies "Single Stage" and "And Back", while the opposite implication is falacious (making a pedant like me shake his stick).  How does "RSS K-D" suit everyone (Reusable Surface-Surface, Kerbin-Dres)?  Add 'spaceplane' if you feel the need.

That is by far a smarter nomenclature. Also it sound cooler, so there's that.

[Firemetal]

21 hours ago, Pecan said:

Exactly.
So when someone mentions SSTO <celestial body> why should people not assume they are talking about a Single Stage between the surface and Orbit of <that body>.  A "Dres SSTO" means nothhing more than a vehicle that can go from the surface To Orbit of Dres in a Single Stage.  "SSTO" doesn't even say anything about being reusable or being able to complete a round-trip.  You would not expect from the designation that the vehicle would, in fact, be designed for travel to Kerbin (or anywhere else) or to be a spaceplane (the mission being all in vacuum).  As per my original post; all my Dres landers are SSTOs, with the additional features of being reusable and capable of a round-trip (down and back up).  To describe them as "SSTO"s is not enough - how much more does a reusable vehicle designed to launch from Kerbin and complete a Dres round-trip deserve a better name than "SSTO".  Such a design would be complicated and inefficient just for the sake of it but, in any case, still makes no mention of 'spaceplane'.

My whole point here is that saying such a vehicle is Single Stage To Orbit says nothing useful but several misleading things about its design.  "Reusable Single Stage Kerbin Surface To Dres Surface And Back" does it (without mentioning spaceplane) but is rather a mouthful.  Thing is, "Reusable" implies "Single Stage" and "And Back", while the opposite implication is falacious (making a pedant like me shake his stick).  How does "RSS K-D" suit everyone (Reusable Surface-Surface, Kerbin-Dres)?  Add 'spaceplane' if you feel the need.

How about SSTO to Dres and back? When you talk about an SSTO, people assume you mean a spaceplane especially if it is an interplanetary SSTO. To my knowledge, no one has ever landed on another planet with a VSSTO.