[1.4][1.7.7] GravityTurn continued - Automated Efficient Launches

[AndyMt]

@ildifa I remember that pull request, thanks a lot. When someday I find time to work on GT again I'll for sure integrate it.

[Galland1998]

Anyone have any good insight into how the improved guess works?  I ask because I am trying to figure out the ideal settings for some of my boosters that I am building.  I have one booster that works ok if I use on seting but GT's improved guess mod insists on a setting that results in catastrophic failure every time.

[JAFO]

6 minutes ago, Galland1998 said:

Anyone have any good insight into how the improved guess works?  I ask because I am trying to figure out the ideal settings for some of my boosters that I am building.  I have one booster that works ok if I use on seting but GT's improved guess mod insists on a setting that results in catastrophic failure every time.

When I have the rare craft that has that problem, I usually just guess, and tweak the settings by hand instead, until I figure out what's optimal.

[danielboro]

On 6/7/2019 at 7:18 AM, Galland1998 said:

Anyone have any good insight into how the improved guess works?  I ask because I am trying to figure out the ideal settings for some of my boosters that I am building.  I have one booster that works ok if I use on seting but GT's improved guess mod insists on a setting that results in catastrophic failure every time.

After the distraction of the ship revert and do a new guess. It will try a different guess

[Galland1998]

That is what I thought it would do as well.  Except it seems to be really hung up with some numbers that worked for another high TWR lifter that I was testing right before.  The one that is having trouble is a low TWR lifter.  The new guess only gives the trajectory that results in a destroyed lifter.  If I manually put in conservative values that work the next launch the the best guess button puts it right back to the values that don't work.   The whole thing is strange because the iterative process  was working great for the the first lifter and then it just went FUBAR when I switched to a different lifter. Could my issue have anything to do with the save button?  or maybe the GT mod thinks the new rocket is still the first rocket?  They are pretty similar with the exception of the TWR.

[JAFO]

1 hour ago, Galland1998 said:

the iterative process  was working great for the the first lifter and then it just went FUBAR when I switched to a different lifter. Could my issue have anything to do with the save button?  or maybe the GT mod thinks the new rocket is still the first rocket?  They are pretty similar with the exception of the TWR.

Are you re-using the name of the lifter, by any chance? GT stores a separate settings file for each uniquely named craft it flies. If your new rocket has a different name to the first rocket, GT's not being confused. That said, if you test a design in GT, then make changes to the design, and test in GT again, it can lead to problems. I usually append a sequentially increasing letter or number to the end of a name each time I make changes to a design, to be sure GT knows to start over..

Alternatively, as AndyMt said, you can:

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keep the alt-key pressed while pressing "previous best guess". This resets every parameter which is not locked to defaults. This also causes the stats window to show more stuff (for debugging), so don't be surprised.

You could also delete the file GT saves its settings in.. effectively starting over. You can find them in:  GameData\GravityTurn\Plugins\PluginData\GravityTurn\ and delete the gt_launchdb_SHIPNAME_Kerbin.cfg file with the name of the ship in question.

Edited June 8, 2019 by JAFO

[Galland1998]

Thanks for the info... When in doubt delete! 

[madindehead]

I'm guessing that when taking the name for future launch improvements is uses the craft name at launch? I'm asking because I use Project Manager which uses a project tag and a number or letter to rename the craft at launch. I'm running some tourism missions right now which use the same rocket design but every launch it has a different name. I'm guessing the only way to get the benefit of Gravity Turn learning about launches is to not use Project Manager for all of my missions? 

 

 

 

[Beetlecat]

8 hours ago, madindehead said:

I'm guessing that when taking the name for future launch improvements is uses the craft name at launch? I'm asking because I use Project Manager which uses a project tag and a number or letter to rename the craft at launch. I'm running some tourism missions right now which use the same rocket design but every launch it has a different name. I'm guessing the only way to get the benefit of Gravity Turn learning about launches is to not use Project Manager for all of my missions? 

 

 

 

Yup-- sorry to say, you're essentially "tricking" Gravity Turn into thinking they're new rockets each time

An alternative would be to simulate launches using KRASH or some such to let GT automatically tweak values without incrementing actual ship name/design numbers, or even migrate craft over to a sandbox game and just launch/revert a few times to get a nice GT launch profile (and then move the GT Profile file back to your save by hand -- the files are all named for each individual rocket)

I justify "game-like" things like this because it simulates me actually knowing/doing math to calculate an actually efficient launch profile, without flinging rockets into orbit first to realize what I'm doing wrong.

 

[madindehead]

10 hours ago, Beetlecat said:

Yup-- sorry to say, you're essentially "tricking" Gravity Turn into thinking they're new rockets each time

An alternative would be to simulate launches using KRASH or some such to let GT automatically tweak values without incrementing actual ship name/design numbers, or even migrate craft over to a sandbox game and just launch/revert a few times to get a nice GT launch profile (and then move the GT Profile file back to your save by hand -- the files are all named for each individual rocket)

I justify "game-like" things like this because it simulates me actually knowing/doing math to calculate an actually efficient launch profile, without flinging rockets into orbit first to realize what I'm doing wrong.

 

That's what I thought. I think doing something like KRASH or a sandbox game might work yeah. I'm OK with doing that - like you say it's a justifiable thing. I'm simulating like you would if you had a real rocket program! Can I move and modify the GT launch files whilst the game is running?

[Beetlecat]

13 hours ago, madindehead said:

That's what I thought. I think doing something like KRASH or a sandbox game might work yeah. I'm OK with doing that - like you say it's a justifiable thing. I'm simulating like you would if you had a real rocket program! Can I move and modify the GT launch files whilst the game is running?

For sure you can move the files around. Just like craft files -- though I can't 100% remember where they are stored.

[madindehead]

12 hours ago, Beetlecat said:

For sure you can move the files around. Just like craft files -- though I can't 100% remember where they are stored.

I found where they are: KSP_Directory\GameData\GravityTurn\Plugins\PluginData\GravityTurn. 

One final question: Before reverting the launch/ending my simulation does the rocket need to reach the apoapsis or does it only need to have completed the burn for the correct apoapsis? 

[WarriorSabe]

Does this automatically adjust to other planet's atmospheres? So if I for example launch from Eve or some stock-scale modded planet, will it still give me a good turn?

[Stryks]

I had the game corrupt on me just recently, which I fixed by removing and re-installing my mods.  Even managed to continue the same save.

But since I reinstalled GravityTurn, it doesn't automatically circularise anymore.  Up until a few days ago, it would hit 70k and then plot a manoeuvre, warp to it, then auto-throttle to circularize.

Is it just me, or does this mod not do this anymore?

[AVaughan]

Gravity turn never did that.  However if you had Mechjeb installed, it would ask MJ to plot and execute a circularization burn.

[RedDragon91GoW]

Any of you noticed problem with 1.7.3? Can I install it in this version without breaking something?
Anyway, thanks for the mod!

[MaxxQ]

I'm using it in 1.7.3 just fine.  Go for it!

[Stryks]

Awesome ... Mechjeb loaded and all is good.

And yep, can confirm it's causing no issues in 1.7.3 for me.  

Awesome job devs.  Many thanks for making a great game that much greater.  

[Dizor]

This mod is perfect for ascending from Kerbin, and useless for Eve sea level. Anyway thank you @AndyMt!

Will use MechJeb's ascending autopilot for Eve for the time being. (KSP 1.7.3)

[danielboro]

7 hours ago, Dizor said:

This mod is perfect for ascending from Kerbin, and useless for Eve sea level. Anyway thank you @AndyMt!

Will use MechJeb's ascending autopilot for Eve for the time being. (KSP 1.7.3)

Unless you change the parameters it's only good for kerbin. 

If you want to use it on a different planet you need to adjust the numbers, can't use the default. 

I don't think it has auto guess for that case

[Dizor]

3 hours ago, danielboro said:

Unless you change the parameters it's only good for kerbin. 

If you want to use it on a different planet you need to adjust the numbers, can't use the default. 

I don't think it has auto guess for that case

No. I thought so too. And I wasted more than 1 hour changing parameters and trying to ascend. Nothing helped.

[danielboro]

17 minutes ago, Dizor said:

No. I thought so too. And I wasted more than 1 hour changing parameters and trying to ascend. Nothing helped.

Alas I never landed on Eve, and off kerbin only on Mun did I use gt to go to orbit

[Dizor]

1 hour ago, danielboro said:

Alas I never landed on Eve, and off kerbin only on Mun did I use gt to go to orbit

Okay here is my save. Player profile name is 'default'. You can load 'quicksave' or 'On Eve' saved game and try to ascend. And make sure you have TweakScale mod installed!

This is ascending with MechJeb's autopilot for reference (same craft) : https://youtu.be/AbyhI9kEnVs?t=544

 

[danielboro]

11 hours ago, Dizor said:

Okay here is my save. Player profile name is 'default'. You can load 'quicksave' or 'On Eve' saved game and try to ascend. And make sure you have TweakScale mod installed!

This is ascending with MechJeb's autopilot for reference (same craft) : https://youtu.be/AbyhI9kEnVs?t=544

 

@AndyMt

I have a problem.  wen trying to lift off eve the rocket wont fallow prograde

after getting to "start m/s" it points to 80 and never fallow prograde

i had to use MJ to fallow prograde

any idea way?

[danielboro]

 

On 9/1/2019 at 1:38 PM, Dizor said:

Okay here is my save. Player profile name is 'default'. You can load 'quicksave' or 'On Eve' saved game and try to ascend. And make sure you have TweakScale mod installed!

This is ascending with MechJeb's autopilot for reference (same craft) : https://youtu.be/AbyhI9kEnVs?t=544

 

i think i know way
2 options

1- ship was still surface prograde but hud was orbit prograde

2- hitting "start m/s"  then losing speed and then getting back to "start m/s"  did something bad

 

i think 1 is more probably

"start m/s" =365

start time =80

end time =20

needs refinement but it works

edit:
setting turn angel to 15
dV left is 675

edit 2:
setting turn angel to 18
dV left is 781

goal reacet better then MJ

Edited September 5, 2019 by danielboro