[KSP 1.3.1] Overdrive 1.1.0 - Smoke On The Water (Revamp KSP UI) - 2017-10-28

[Elkram]

You sure got sense of humor.

[Ser]

2 hours ago, RealGecko said:

And about Overdrive - it makes KSP UI rock! Pretty clear IMO

It's clear that it adds some drive to the game, definitely a new part  I think "UI Overdrive" would be clearer.

[symmeclept]

I think the Overdrive name is fine, but the description can use some tweaking. Especially if you plan to make it a KSP UI theme engine. You get your point across in the right way and the rest won't matter. 

One other thing: Not that there's anything bad about a Les Paul, it's an iconic(proper iconic) rock guitar. I just think a Warlock or something would be better. But I'm more metal than rock these days  

[RealGecko]

I owned baby similar to this a long time ago

But I had to sell it, life is so unfair

[Ser]

Kinda offtopic here, but I can't agree with you guys. "Metal" and "sound" are quite opposite. The instruments to make Sound, sweet and pleasant as it should be, are Les Paul and Stratocaster (if not speaking of semi-hollow stuff). All the rest are just different variants of a chainsaw

[Quodios Kerman]

What a nice job! KSP really RRRRRRRRRRRRROCKS!

Maybe you can add optional transparency control(0~100%) to your "To-do" list.

[RealGecko]

14 hours ago, RealGecko said:

14 hours ago, stryth said:

How about an opacity slider, so we can control how see-through the windows are?

Maybe. Need to look into materials.

 

[Nansuchao]

4 hours ago, RealGecko said:

 

I'm with you, with my ESP and a 7 chords Ibanez. METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ser]

Chainsaw sounds brutal 

[RealGecko]

2 minutes ago, Ser said:

Chainsaw sounds brutal 

[symmeclept]

2 hours ago, Ser said:

Chainsaw sounds brutal 

Look into a band called Jackyl. Not exactly brutal, but relevant.  

@RealGecko I had an Epi with a Floyd at one time. I play bass now, but I had to sell my Warwick. Unfair is an understatement.

[SCESW]

All I really want is to be able to click on a menu and not have it click the planet/ship/waypoint/etc behind the menu (especially windows like the ScanSat Big Map).  If your UI mod stops click-throughs... I'm sold.   :-)

[RealGecko]

2 hours ago, SCESW said:

All I really want is to be able to click on a menu and not have it click the planet/ship/waypoint/etc behind the menu (especially windows like the ScanSat Big Map).  If your UI mod stops click-throughs... I'm sold.   :-)

Unfortunately it is not possible within Overdrive. Input locking system is the most frustrating part of KSP API I must admit. Every mod developer must implement this "Prevent clickthrough" feature by himself. Some developers know how to do this, some not. For example my Flight Plan mod currently uses pretty brutal input locking - it will lock everything except targeting, so you won't even be to pause the game until cursor is over it's UI. Meanwhile the rest of my mods still remain those pesky "click everywhere" things

So if you see some mod that prevents "clickthrough", go and thank it's developer in person

[klgraham1013]

Click through still a problem in a 2016 game.

I know.  We're supposed to blame it on Unity.

[westamastaflash]

So this overrides the existing IMGUI and just reskins them? Any non-IMGUI mods won't be affected, correct?

[RealGecko]

2 minutes ago, westamastaflash said:

So this overrides the existing IMGUI and just reskins them? Any non-IMGUI mods won't be affected, correct?

Yep, every mod defining it's own style won't be affected. Examples: KAC, ARP, CAPCOM, Contract Window+.

[westamastaflash]

Just now, RealGecko said:

Yep, every mod defining it's own style won't be affected. Examples: KAC, ARP, CAPCOM, Contract Window+.

I meant any mod that uses the Unity 5 UI system instead of the IMGUI... but after looking @ the code it appears this is just IMGUI.

[RealGecko]

Just now, westamastaflash said:

I meant any mod that uses the Unity 5 UI system instead of the IMGUI... but after looking @ the code it appears this is just IMGUI.

Unity provides concept of Skins. That mean that you can create Skin and apply it while calling GUILayout functions. KSP by itself ships two skins: it's own - most mods rely on and Unity Smoke Skin, some mods rely on.

The problem is that there's not really much info on how styles work and there's no much flexibility to my liking. That's why I created Unity 5 UI Framework, that's not the best piece of software out there, but does the job I want.

The idea came to me when I decided to fix blurry font rendering in Kartographer. And I saw a mess, I scanned source codes of various KSP mods and saw that every developer really struggles to bring in some nice look into KSP. So if you see some mod with unique UI, that means that developer put some decent amount of time in it

[westamastaflash]

11 minutes ago, RealGecko said:

Unity provides concept of Skins. That mean that you can create Skin and apply it while calling GUILayout functions. KSP by itself ships two skins: it's own - most mods rely on and Unity Smoke Skin, some mods rely on.

The problem is that there's not really much info on how styles work and there's no much flexibility to my liking. That's why I created Unity 5 UI Framework, that's not the best piece of software out there, but does the job I want.

The idea came to me when I decided to fix blurry font rendering in Kartographer. And I saw a mess, I scanned source codes of various KSP mods and saw that every developer really struggles to bring in some nice look into KSP. So if you see some mod with unique UI, that means that developer put some decent amount of time in it

I don't think I was clear. There are two UI systems in Unity. IMGUI, which uses the GUILayout functions, and the new Unity 4.6 UI that uses the Canvas object and is not an immediate mode GUI, but instead a retained mode GUI. If you're messing with OnGUI() and GUILayout, it is all using the immediate mode GUI. Most of the internals of KSP are switching to the 4.6 UI. See @DMagic's basic orbit modlet for an example using the new UI. OnGUI is full of problems with garbage collection which can cause the game to really get bogged down.

 

[RealGecko]

1 hour ago, westamastaflash said:

OnGUI is full of problems with garbage collection which can cause the game to really get bogged down.

Thanks for info, man. I'll look into it, may be really helpful.

[DMagic]

There are definitions for the skins used by the new UI, they can be found in the UISkinManager class, they are basically the same as how the old GUISkins were defined. The only problem is that how they are applied to actual UI elements is entirely dependent on how those UI's are setup. Mods may or may not use that skin (such as Contracts Window +, which has all of its UI elements defined in Unity), or they may be applied before the skin can be changed.

[BrutalRIP]

really love the unified ui this mod provides but there is one or two little issues im having one being when using scansat its impossible to change the large maps to a different planet

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unfortunately i rely on scansat for resource scanning for mks so have to remove overdrive and hope for a fix

also tagging @DMagic just in case

Edited December 5, 2016 by BrutalRIP
to add a tag

[DMagic]

@BrutalRIP That's sort of the inherent danger in a mod like this, there is no good way to handle mods that don't stick to the default GUI skin.

In any event, SCANsat will be changed over to the new UI sometime soon, so it won't be affected by this mod.

[RealGecko]

4 hours ago, BrutalRIP said:

when using scansat its impossible to change the large maps to a different planet

Hmmmm, something similar was in another mod, Celestial Body Science Editor as far as I can remember. Will check that.

3 hours ago, DMagic said:

In any event, SCANsat will be changed over to the new UI sometime soon, so it won't be affected by this mod.

Are you planning to switch to Unity 4.6 UI? I presume it does not have trouble with clickthroughs and all other things. Intriguing why mod developers still stick with OnGUI() and GUILayout...

[metl]

Love the UI overhaul man. It is super sleek and just makes the interface look so much better. Thanks for something I didn't realize I needed so badly!