darthgently Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 9 hours ago, tater said: It's not just "go for it," it's the question: What is required to learn what they need to learn to continue? I didn't paraphrase well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 hours ago, darthgently said: I didn't paraphrase well. You post was fine, I was just trying to suggest that they are maybe a little more methodical than they are often given credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, tater said: You post was fine, I was just trying to suggest that they are maybe a little more methodical than they are often given credit for. I think people confuse a different than familiar method as being less methodical rather than merely being less canonical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pthigrivi Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) Yeah I think so long as they're reasonably confident they aren't going to bore a hole in the earth testing as many systems as they can on another launch attempt makes the most sense. Im sure lots of systems aren't there yet so it gets to the point where doing it all at once for real is the most efficient path. Edited August 29, 2023 by Pthigrivi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Big issue is that the vehicle is too large to move, so anyplace where vehicle testing is to occur essentially has to be next to the factory. Starbase is tiny. drawing really broad property lines on the map makes it a couple hundred acres, and the testing area 20-40 of those acres. Stennis is in the middle of 125,000 acres of "acoustic buffer zone." They could have fit all of the Apollo program on Merit Island (KSC), but that would have failed at the goal of putting the program in as many districts as possible. So we have the spread out centers we have. So even if the goal was to build a billion dollar test rig at Stennis, they'd have to build the vehicle there just for the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBase Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 So any idea how long FAA will need to evaluate the mishap report ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I'd give odds of 4:1 that the FAA approval comes through just when SpaceX need it to, like it has every time so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 38 minutes ago, RCgothic said: I'd give odds of 4:1 that the FAA approval comes through just when SpaceX need it to, like it has every time so far. Funny how that works. It’s Almost like they’re actually colleagues or something… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kspbutitscursed Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 S25 is getting its paint job atm ireckon launch 15th of september Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pthigrivi Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 16 hours ago, RCgothic said: I'd give odds of 4:1 that the FAA approval comes through just when SpaceX need it to, like it has every time so far. Yeah SpaceX is just too critical to the US space program and goals. I expect them to get a pretty long leash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Pthigrivi said: Yeah SpaceX is just too critical to the US space program and goals. I expect them to get a pretty long leash. It would be nicer if the DOJ wouldn't be sent after SpaceX for not hiring foreign refugees (which would conflict with ITAR), but yeah, SpaceX is critical. Depends on the mood of the moment at the other end of the leash(es) I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, darthgently said: It would be nicer if the DOJ wouldn't be sent after SpaceX for not hiring foreign refugees (which would conflict with ITAR), but yeah, SpaceX is critical. Depends on the mood of the moment at the other end of the leash(es) I suppose Hiring permanent residents (including refugees) does not conflict with ITAR. You can be a "US Person" for ITAR and EAR legal purposes without being a US citizen. You just need to have permanent resident status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) Not much new here, but some great shots of where they keep the latge number of recovered fairings. Edited August 30, 2023 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/spacexs-vp-of-launch-shares-the-companys-special-algorithm-for-innovation/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikegarrison said: Hiring permanent residents (including refugees) does not conflict with ITAR. You can be a "US Person" for ITAR and EAR legal purposes without being a US citizen. You just need to have permanent resident status. SpaceX will hire them if they are permanent residents and are otherwise qualified Strangely, it is DOJ that requires US citizenship https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1695484357333631134?t=9OdqtW8Blaz317UHquy5-Q&s=19 Edited August 30, 2023 by darthgently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, mikegarrison said: Hiring permanent residents (including refugees) does not conflict with ITAR. You can be a "US Person" for ITAR and EAR legal purposes without being a US citizen. You just need to have permanent resident status. Do companies have any liability for violations? Not hiring violations, technology transfer violations. Ie: Say they hire a barista (one of the example jobs at Starbase) and employees are having lunch, and talking about rocket stuff. Obviously if any employee was to sell information to a state actor that's an ITAR violation, regardless of citizenship status, then SpaceX gets fined? Lack of diligence in hiring reliable people? Or are employees at a company facility not allowed to talk about work (maybe SpaceX needs to invent the Cone of Silence (when the kids were little I totally would have bought one )? Assuming they do any sort of background check on people, is such a check possible at the same level for someone whose history is mostly outside the US and hence unavailable? Is it more expensive to hire such a person (checks, etc, presumably carry some cost)? Also, does this mean literally no "US Persons" in this refugee category have ever applied for and been denied from any other defense contractor, or is the DOJ going against all defense contractors all the time for this, or does LockMart, etc, simply hire them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, tater said: Also, does this mean literally no "US Persons" in this refugee category have ever applied for and been denied from any other defense contractor, or is the DOJ going against all defense contractors all the time for this, or does LockMart, etc, simply hire them? They have. Aerojet is the most recent to be sued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 16 hours ago, kspbutitscursed said: S25 is getting its paint job atm ireckon launch 15th of september Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StrandedonEarth Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 A September 8 full-stack launch would make a nice birthday present for me… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Tomorrow morning: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kspbutitscursed Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 excitement guarenteed soo what do you think will happen on flight 2 i reckon that they will make it to staging an then they will hotstage sucessfully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 hours ago, tater said: Do companies have any liability for violations? Yes. EAR and ITAR laws carry heavy penalties for violations. Both fines and prison time are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Yes. EAR and ITAR laws carry heavy penalties for violations. Both fines and prison time are possible. Wouldn't this create incentives for the employer to be extra careful? Seems like someone coming from not the US or EU would lack a paper trail to properly vet them. Even stuff as simple as criminal records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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