mikegarrison Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, zolotiyeruki said: The California Coastal Commission has denied Space Force + SpaceX's application for 50 launches next year: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/10/california-reject-musk-spacex-00183371 It sounds like the commission didn't like a few things: --sonic booms --disturbance of wildlife --Musk's politics --SpaceX's labor practices You left out "Space Force asked for the exemption because of DoD needs, even for purely commercial, non-DoD launches". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuessingEveryDay Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 15 hours ago, darthgently said: I don’t know what the ou stuff is about, didn’t dig Eric Berger went to the University of Texas, Austin who have a major rivalry with Oklahoma. The rivalry's called the Red River Rivalry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 But let's be blunt here. Musk has spent the last 5 years or so deliberately publicly insulting the state of California. Decisions like that carry consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, zolotiyeruki said: The California Coastal Commission has denied Space Force + SpaceX's application for 50 launches next year: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/10/california-reject-musk-spacex-00183371 It sounds like the commission didn't like a few things: --sonic booms --disturbance of wildlife --Musk's politics --SpaceX's labor practices defund california? can we have your stuff? 6 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: But let's be blunt here. Musk has spent the last 5 years or so deliberately publicly insulting the state of California. Decisions like that carry consequences. yea but california is the poster child for ineffective bureaucracy. they are almost as bad as dc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 We're getting really close to rule 2.2b. We might already be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 43 minutes ago, Minmus Taster said: It's times like these that I feel glad to be a Canadian. still waiting for you guys to send the first moose to space. also what is the isp of maple syrup/lox? you can use pancake batter in your deluge system, or french toast if you set up in quebec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 8 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: But let's be blunt here. Musk has spent the last 5 years or so deliberately publicly insulting the state of California. Decisions like that carry consequences. This should carry no consequences at all. Insulting "dear leader" (or the bureaucracy) is not a crime in a free society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 38 minutes ago, tater said: This should carry no consequences at all. Insulting "dear leader" (or the bureaucracy) is not a crime in a free society. I my mind any defense of Elon or his entourage involving the idea of "exercising free speech" are immediately discountable. He's free to speak his mind but you can't pie someone in the face and expect them to eat it. 40 minutes ago, Nuke said: still waiting for you guys to send the first moose to space. also what is the isp of maple syrup/lox? you can use pancake batter in your deluge system, or french toast if you set up in quebec. Were waiting on you guys to get a few fast food places up there, can't spend all that time in zero-G without a double-double Edited October 12 by Minmus Taster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 https://starshipthegame.spacex.com/ LOL 11 minutes ago, Minmus Taster said: He's free to speak his mind but you can't pie someone in the face and expect them to eat it. You can and should "pie the government in the face" and expect equal treatment under the law. That's kind of the point of our system of government. If someone's statement towards the government results in unequal treatment under the law—the government is abusing power. Protesters, for example, should not be targeted by the state because they protest the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 26 minutes ago, Minmus Taster said: I my mind any defense of Elon or his entourage involving the idea of "exercising free speech" are immediately discountable. He's free to speak his mind but you can't pie someone in the face and expect them to eat it. Were waiting on you guys to get a few fast food places up there, can't spend all that time in zero-G without double-double still working on the zero-g deep fryer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, tater said: You can and should "pie the government in the face" and expect equal treatment under the law. That's kind of the point of our system of government. If someone's statement towards the government results in unequal treatment under the law—the government is abusing power. Protesters, for example, should not be targeted by the state because they protest the state. Companies are made up of people. Government agencies are made up of people. Legislatures are made up of people. These are realities that most adults understand. USSF and SpaceX were asking for a favor. They were asking for additional launch slots. An exemption to rules that limit how many launches can be made per year. Nothing in the law requires that they be allowed this exemption. There is already a history of USSF promising environmental mitigation that they then don't do. And in this case, USSF was asking for a DoD exemption so that SpaceX could launch commercial launches ... which already seems pretty questionable. Bottom line, though, is don't publicly insult someone and then ask them for a favor. That's just not too smart. If SpaceX or USSF thinks the Coastal Commission acted outside the law, they are of course free to file suit against them in court. Edited October 12 by mikegarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 10 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Bottom line, though, is don't publicly insult someone and then ask them for a favor. That's just not too smart. No one should have to ask the government for a favor. IMO it (such decision making) should be codified in a way that anyone can calculate what the outcome would be given identical data—even if the reality is humans being humans as you state. Also, I doubt there were any insults given towards the lower-level people actually making these decisions, it was to those people's BOSS, also an employee of the public. If the boss then tells underlings to not do a thing they would normally have just done—that's a petulant abuse of power. So multiple things can be true at once—bad choices on the one hand, and abuse of power to retaliate on the other, all for something that should have just gone through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Launch license for flight 5 has been issued! https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID173891218620231102140506.0001%3FmodalOpened%3Dtrue%3FmodalOpened%3Dtrue?modalOpened=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) Nice loading screen. Can you catch the booster? https://starshipthegame.spacex.com/ Edited October 12 by darthgently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 6 minutes ago, darthgently said: Nice loading screen. Can you catch the booster? https://starshipthegame.spacex.com/ I can catch easily, I suck at whatever I'm supposed to do to get score, though, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 49 minutes ago, tater said: all for something that should have just gone through. Except why should it have "just gone through"? Should SpaceX be allowed to do anything they want to just because they want to do it? Can you find any law or rule that says this *exemption* (and I highlight that word) should have been granted to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Turns out the "California Commission" crap is non-binding, so meaningless. If it was—then it would be a 1st Amendment issue. Just now, mikegarrison said: Except why should it have "just gone through"? Should SpaceX be allowed to do anything they want to just because they want to do it? Can you find any law or rule that says this *exemption* (and I highlight that word) should have been granted to them? No, they should follow the law (as they do). Note that I just posted ahead of this response that the commission in question renders non-binding opinions. It;s just people of a political bent doing their own political speech. If it actually had force of law—it would be illegal for them to cite posts by someone as a reason to seek to deny a license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 53 minutes ago, tater said: If the boss then tells underlings to not do a thing they would normally have just done—that's a petulant abuse of power. This is the crux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, darthgently said: This is the crux Yeah, turns out a tempest in a teapot, although since the commission specifically cited Musk's posts (personal, political opinions), any action taken would be flatly illegal. On the underlying notion that it's dumb to PO people that you might have to work with—sure, we all know this is true. It's equally dumb for people in government to actually publicly state that they have made a decision based on the target's politics, not on some real substance. Even should they pivot to substance in the future, when it goes to court, they will have showed in advance they were politically motivated. So everyone can be dumb! Yipee! Edited October 12 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 2 hours ago, tater said: Yeah, turns out a tempest in a teapot, although since the commission specifically cited Musk's posts (personal, political opinions), any action taken would be flatly illegal. On the underlying notion that it's dumb to PO people that you might have to work with—sure, we all know this is true. It's equally dumb for people in government to actually publicly state that they have made a decision based on the target's politics, not on some real substance. Even should they pivot to substance in the future, when it goes to court, they will have showed in advance they were politically motivated. So everyone can be dumb! Yipee! also: ‘Tis official. Not happening tho, don’t bother setting your alarms. Why? Because I could actually watch. So, scrub to Monday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 My vibes say catastrophic failure for this one. Not sure of the flavor. Logically I think it will succeed, they've got the new heat shield upgrades to prevent flap melting and they've either got 0.5m or 0.5cm accuracy on the booster for the catch, both of which are good enough. But IDK. I've got a bad feeling. Does not pass the vibe check. Hopefully I'm wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: My vibes say catastrophic failure for this one. My money says aborts & goes into the drink. Edited October 12 by CatastrophicFailure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GuessingEveryDay Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 5 hours ago, darthgently said: Nice loading screen. Can you catch the booster? https://starshipthegame.spacex.com/ They added a custom screen for when you crash on top of Starhopper Personally my favorite is mechazilla.io Edited October 12 by GuessingEveryDay Link didn't link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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