KSP Interstellar Extended Continued Development Thread

raxo2222 · June 26, 2016

55 minutes ago, FreeThinker said:

Version 1.9 for Kerbal Space Program 1.1.3

Released on 2016-06-26

Compiled against KSP 1.1.3

Replaced ORS Surface and Ocean resource gathering by Stock resource gathering system

Molten Salt Reactor can now breed tritium using Lithium6

Added harvesting of Alumina, Borate, Hydrates, Monazite, SolarWind, Uraninite. SaltWater, Silicates and Water to Stock Resource Drill

Added ability to scan Alumina, Borate, Hydrates, Monazite, SolarWind, Uraninite. SaltWater, Silicates and Water with Orbital Scanner and

Surface Scanner (disabled when SCANstat is installed)

IRSU Refiniery now also accepts Electric Charge for imput

Added HeavyWater Electrolysis to IRSU Refinery

Added Borate Processing to IRSU Refinery

Added Silicates Processing to IRSU Refinery

Added SolarWind Processing to IRSU Refinery

Added SaltWater Processing to IRSU Refinery

Are there MFT/ISRU integrated ore tank for these?

And what I can find in solarwind? All isotopes of H/He/Lithium?

EDIT:

Cant get 1.9 version - ckan and curse have outdated version

Now there is, website was bit slow.

Edited June 26, 2016 by raxo2222

FreeThinker · June 26, 2016

2 hours ago, raxo2222 said:

And what I can find in solarwind? All isotopes of H/He/Lithium?

The resource Solar Wind contains everything found in Solar Wind, which includes Helium3 but only as a small fraction; Solar Wind mostly consists of Hydrogen and Helium which are useful as well for any Interstellar Engine

I initially called the resource Regolith, but this might be confusing as it once was used as a generic resource found everywhere. Therefore I call it by its Origin, the Solar Wind which emitted by the Sun

SolarWind van only be found on atmpspherelss moon and planets. Best location for SolarWind are polar craters and Closer to the sun , like Gily and Moho which also contains in interesting pit into the crust. To Bad that the real world equivant of Moho , Mercury does have a very weak atmosphere, it would have made Helium3 mining very useful :-(

SolarWind harvesting is currently done with a stock drill which seems unproductive, but in the near future I hope to replace it by a Harvester that looks something like this

Edited June 26, 2016 by FreeThinker

FreeThinker · June 26, 2016

1 hour ago, raxo2222 said:

Are there MFT/ISRU integrated ore tank for these?

Not yet, perhaps you can create them for me, when I will add them in the next patch.

Note the harvest Drill contains a small reservoir of every raw resource it can harvest, meaning if you have a IRSU refinery on the same vessel, you can convert them directly into basic resource

Edited June 26, 2016 by FreeThinker

raxo2222 · June 26, 2016

3 hours ago, FreeThinker said:

Not yet, perhaps you can create them for me, when I will add them in the next patch.

Note the harvest Drill contains a small reservoir of every raw resource it can harvest, meaning if you have a IRSU refinery on the same vessel, you can convert them directly into basic resource

Here are MFT configs.

// Modular Fuel Tanks Config by Trolllception

   @TANK_DEFINITION[Default,Fuselage,Balloon,Structural]
        {
                TANK
                {
                        name = ArgonGas
                        mass = 0.000625
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 56.0
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = HTP
                        amount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = KryptonGas
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = NeonGas
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Hydrazine
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdHydrogen
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdAmmonia
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdNitrogen
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdCO
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdOxygen
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdMethane
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdCO2
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Lithium
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdDeuterium
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = .7
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdTritium
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = .8
                        note = (Shielded)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdHelium
                        mass = 0.000625
                        utilization = 56
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        fillable = false
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = EnrichedUranium
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = .8
                        note = (Shielded)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = ThF4
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = .8
                        note = (Shielded)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = UraniumNitride
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = .1
                        note = (Shielded)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdHelium
                        mass = 0.000454
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        loss_rate = 1.667794e-8
                        utilization = 7
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Actinides
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = DepletedFuel
                        mass = 0.00009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        fillable = false
                        utilization = .8
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Water
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdHe3
                        mass = 0.000625
                        utilization = 19
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        loss_rate = 1.667794e-7
                        note = (refrigated)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Boron
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Ore
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Aluminium
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Alumina
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Hexaborane
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                }
               TANK
                {
                        name = SaltWater
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                }
               TANK
                {
                        name = HeavyWater
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 5.41
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Uraninite
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Hydrates
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Lithium6
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Monazite
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Silicates
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = Borate
                        mass = 0.0009
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
               TANK
                {
                        name = SolarWind
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        utilization = 2.205
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
        }

   @TANK_DEFINITION[Xenon]
        {
                TANK
                {
                        name = ArgonGas
                        //mass = 0.000625
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdHelium
                        //mass = 0.000625
                        utilization = 2
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        fillable = false
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = HTP
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = KryptonGas
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
                TANK
                {
                        name = NeonGas
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        note = (pressurized)
                }
        }

   @TANK_DEFINITION[ServiceModule]
        {
                TANK
                {
                        name = LqdMethane
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                        note = (Refrigerated)
                }
        }

   @TANK_DEFINITION[RCS]
        {
                TANK
                {
                        name = Hydrazine
                        amount = 0.0
                        maxAmount = 0.0
                }
        }

THIS IS CRUDE IMPLEMENTATION.

Someone with better knowledge of mass ratios/MFT needs to adjust all mass ratios of resources here.

I just copied waters config for salt/heavy water and alumina config for all new ores.

Consider this as beta and in need of better adjustment. Most of these mass ratios doesn't match with IFS mass ratios.

Solar wind have half of hydrogen mass ratio, as this is going to be emergency gas storage.

I think there needs to be 6 classes of IFS tanks:

Edit: Moved to IFS.

Edited June 26, 2016 by raxo2222

FreeThinker · June 26, 2016

Note there is a big problem with Stock Ore. The problem is stock ISRU allowes you to create Hypergolic fuels (=MMH/N2O2) and Monopropellant (=Hydrazine) from it. All of these fuels require Nitrogen. The Problem is that Nitrogen is very rare on the Moon even in Mantle Rock and is very scare in Moon Regolith or Any mineral found on the moon. In short, In my view Ore is overpower and unrealistic as it effectively allow you to ignore searching for any realistic resources for fuel like Hydrogen from Solar Wind, frozen Water on the Polar Craters or Aluminum for most Moon Rock. In short, It's very unlikely we will be able to Cook up significant amount LiquidFuel / Oxidiser on the moon using only local resources.

Edited June 26, 2016 by FreeThinker

Liquid5n0w · June 26, 2016

I'm not seeing KSPI with my CKAN, I don't know if I messed something up, I've tried with a fresh download of CKAN on an empty fresh download from steam of the latest version of the game.

Also I only see 180 compatible mods right now, can anyone else confirm if that is the case?

raxo2222 · June 26, 2016

1 hour ago, FreeThinker said:

Note there is a big problem with Stock Ore. The problem is stock ISRU allowes you to create Hypergolic fuels (=MMH/N2O2) and Monopropellant (=Hydrazine) from it. All of these fuels require Nitrogen. The Problem is that Nitrogen is very rare on the Moon even in Mantle Rock and is very scare in Moon Regolith or Any mineral found on the moon. In short, In my view Ore is overpower and unrealistic as it effectively allow you to ignore searching for any realistic resources for fuel like Hydrogen from Solar Wind, frozen Water on the Polar Craters or Aluminum for most Moon Rock. In short, It's very unlikely we will be able to Cook up significant amount LiquidFuel / Oxidiser on the moon using only local resources.

So how to override creation of liquid fuel/oxidizer/monopropellant from ore without interfering with other mods?

FreeThinker · June 26, 2016

11 minutes ago, raxo2222 said:

So how to override creation of liquid fuel/oxidizer/monopropellant from ore without interfering with other mods?

Not sure, one idea it to still allow it, but at much lower inefficiencies, Another idea is to make Ore only available on Nitrogen Rich planets, moons and asteroids, which would exclude the Mun, Moho, but Minimus might have once have had an atmosphere and therefore contain Nitrogen

spacetackle · June 27, 2016

Hi,

Firstly fantastic mod!

Can I avoid using toolbar or are there mods within KSP-IE that don't support stock toolbar?

Thanks!

Edited June 27, 2016 by spacetackle

raxo2222 · June 27, 2016

8 hours ago, FreeThinker said:

Not sure, one idea it to still allow it, but at much lower inefficiencies, Another idea is to make Ore only available on Nitrogen Rich planets, moons and asteroids, which would exclude the Mun, Moho, but Minimus might have once have had an atmosphere and therefore contain Nitrogen

What about RSS?

FreeThinker · June 27, 2016

2 hours ago, raxo2222 said:

What about RSS?

I heard they did something with resources, but I have no idea what.

raxo2222 · June 27, 2016

Looks like resource tank clean up suggestion has to be here after all:

I think there needs to be 6 classes of IFS tanks:

Ore - all non-radioactive stuff, that you extract from ground. Salt/Heavy water counts here too.

Fission materials - these radioactive materials and their products/ores containing them

Solid fuels/propellants - normally solid substances, that aren't ore

Liquid fuels/propellants - liquid substances, can contain most of liquefied gasses

Pressurized gas fuels/propellants - noble gasses fall in here

Heavy duty cryogenic tanks (for these substances with very low boiling points, for example <50 kelvin) - because Helium 3 is special snowflake. You could allow all H/He isotopes to be here.

So in the end I want to see 6 procedural IFS tanks (you can set their dimensions as you want, but resources are limited to their class),

Antimatter is even more special snowflake - it must have is own part.

Also Hydrates should be converted into H₂O and CH₄but it can contain CO₂

And ore is stock resource, that is converted to liquidfuel/oxidizer/monoproperlant.

I'll write here names shown by Advanced Resource Panel - its same names as in configs.

General Purpose Liquid Resource Tank (best mass ratio - 1:8 - 1:10, no special requirements for them) can contain:

LiquidFuel, Oxidizer, MonoPropellant, LqdHydrogen, LqdHelium, LqdNitrogen, LqdOxygen, LqdCO2, LqdCO, Water, HTP, LqdMethane, LqdAmmonia, Hydrazine.

It also can contain combinations of fuel/oxidizer: LiquidFuel/Oxidizer, Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen.

It could contain SaltWater/HeavyWater, but these resources doesn't seem to be used as fusion fuel/propellant, but on other hand doesn't fit in ore tank.

Pressurized Gas Tank (Low mass ratio, like 1:3 - 1:5, as resources are in gaseous state):

NeonGas, ArgonGas, KryptonGas, XenonGas, SolarWind

SolarWind is collection of resources, just like SaltWater or Ore - you get multiple resources from processing them.

Ore Tank (Low mass ratio like 1:1 - 1:4, but being denser than GPLRT or PGT in same total volume):

Ore, Hydrates, Alumina, Borate, Silicates

You have to process them for further use.

Solid Resource Tank (Low mass ratio of 1:1 - 1:4, and high tank density, as solids needs to be powdered):

Lithium, Lithium6, Aluminium, Boron

These can be used as fusion fuel or propellant.

Radioactive Resource Tank (Lowest mass ratio of 1:1 - 1:3, and densest of all tanks, as its need to be shielded):

Monazite, Uraninite, EnrichedUranium, UraniumNitride, UF4, ThF4, DepletedFuel, Actinides

Tread carefully with these.

Heavy Duty Cryonics Tank (moderate mass ratio of 1:4 - 1:8, can contain He3, and have reduced loss rate when unpowered)

LqdHydrogen, LqdDeuterium, LqdTritium, LqdHelium, LqdHe3, Hexaborane

They also can have resource combinations set for fusion modes - tailored for D-T, D-He³, H-B¹¹, D-Li⁶ , H-Li⁷ and H-Li⁶ fusion modes.

Ratios shouldn't change across engines and reactors.

Antimatter Tank - because it is too volatile and needs magnetic trap.

Energy usage should go into MW territory, when holding 1 kg of antimatter.

=========================================================================================

7 hours ago, FreeThinker said:

@raxo2222

The 6 IFS tanks actualy already exisit but they are located in KSPI-E. Perhaps would be an idea to transfer them (and all resourc gathering related stuff) to IFS package. Technically it should be possible and would allow IFS to specialize more in universal resource storage and gathering

Note that I explicitly mention Universal Resource gathering as we need some way to make the resource harvester switchable, similary you can do now for a tank, you switch resource gathing mode. This should allow you to create Surface/Ocear/Atmosphere resource gatherrers that can switch to a multitude of minable resources. It would also be able to switch storage resources at the sam time, similar to how texture switches which resource content. This will also reduce resource cluting and make it a bit more intuitive

These fuels tanks are inconsistent! - some have certain resources settings and others doesn't.

There are 3 different inline AND radial cryostats, while one of each kind would suffice.

There are 3 different nuclear radial tanks - one could be changed into solid container, other into radioactive solid container and another into ore container - this way we could have solid radial tanks.

Inline solid/radioactive solid resource tank could be based on stock ore tank.

Also there is random water tank and liquid fuel tank.

Liquid fuel tank should be hidden from view and water tank could be used as universal storage tank for all resources in given class - it could hold all normal resources, or gaseous resources, or H/He isotopes, or normal solids, or ores, or radioactive resources.

I wasn't sure where to suggest tank clean up.

Now lets do sanity check for standard tanks:

These tanks should able to hold 14 different types of resources and 3 fuel/oxidizer combinations.

LiquidFuel, Oxidizer, MonoPropellant, LqdHydrogen, LqdHelium, LqdNitrogen, LqdOxygen, LqdCO2, LqdCO, Water, HTP, LqdMethane, LqdAmmonia, Hydrazine.

It also can contain combinations of fuel/oxidizer: LiquidFuel/Oxidizer, Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen.

Since all these tanks have X-Number in their names except adapter, I'll refer them by X.

X2: 13 resources. ( LqdHydrogen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water )

X8: 10 resources, 2 fuel/oxidizer settings. ( LqdHydrogen ; Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water; HTP )

X16: 10 resources, 2 fuel/oxidizer settings. ( LqdHydrogen ; Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water; HTP )

X24: 9 resources, 2 fuel/oxidizer settings. ( LqdHydrogen ; Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water ; huh?)

X48: 10 resources, 2 fuel/oxidizer settings. ( LqdHydrogen ; Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water; LiquidFuel)

Nose Tank: 10 resources. ( LqdHydrogen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water; HTP )

Adapter: 10 resources, 2 fuel/oxidizer settings. ( LqdHydrogen ; Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water; HTP )

X48 Wrapper: 13 resources. ( LqdHydrogen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water; HTP)

X96 Wrapper: 13 resources. ( LqdHydrogen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water ; HTP )

Radial Sphere: 10 resources. ( LqdHydrogen ; LqdOxygen ; LqdMethane ; LqdAmmonia ; Hydrazine ; LqdNitrogen; LqdCO2 ; LqdCO ; Water; HTP )

So only 9 resources are consistent in fuel tanks.

X48 has LiquidFuel instead of HTP, and X24 doesn't even have HTP setting.

3 fuel tanks have more settings:

X2: Lithium ; LqdDeuterium ; Hexaborane

X48 Wrapper: Lithium ; LqdDeuterium ; Hexaborane

X96 Wrapper: Lithium ; LqdDeuterium ; Hexaborane

To recap:

Missing resources: Oxidizer, MonoPropellant, LiquidFuel/Oxidizer setting, LqdHelium

Inconsistent resources: LiquidFuel (only in X48 inline), HTP (missing in X24 inline)

Lithium6/7 can be moved to solid tank, and hexaborane/deuterium/tritium can be moved to heavy duty cryonics.

Edited June 27, 2016 by raxo2222

Liquid5n0w · June 27, 2016

1 hour ago, raxo2222 said:

Looks like resource tank clean up suggestion has to be here after all:

snip

Woh, that looks like a lot of work. Reading it over I agree with all of it, but we might want to make some considerations for usability on the X tanks. If we can pick what it will contain from a list, having 17 options is fine, but if we have to cycle through the list with the next and previous buttons, we should try to limit the list to only useful things.

LeuZ · June 27, 2016

Can you use The USI mods with Interstellar?

FreeThinker · June 27, 2016

23 minutes ago, LeuZ said:

Can you use The USI mods with Interstellar?

Yes you can

FreeThinker · June 27, 2016

1 hour ago, Liquid5n0w said:

If we can pick what it will contain from a list, having 17 options is fine, but if we have to cycle through the list with the next and previous buttons, we should try to limit the list to only useful things.

Note that despite the 2 cycle buttons are still visible (my mistake) the prefered method of selecting is the slider at the top which allows you quick access to a particualr resource, if you know where it is. Still it would be usefull if an pulldown menu option was avialble allowing you to select the sesource from a list

FreeThinker · June 27, 2016

3 hours ago, raxo2222 said:

Looks like resource tank clean up suggestion has to be here after all:

I think there needs to be 6 classes of IFS tanks:

Ore - all non-radioactive stuff, that you extract from ground. Salt/Heavy water counts here too.

Fission materials - these radioactive materials and their products/ores containing them

Solid fuels/propellants - normally solid substances, that aren't ore

Liquid fuels/propellants - liquid substances, can contain most of liquefied gasses

Pressurized gas fuels/propellants - noble gasses fall in here

Heavy duty cryogenic tanks (for these substances with very low boiling points, for example <50 kelvin) - because Helium 3 is special snowflake. You could allow all H/He isotopes to be here.

So in the end I want to see 6 procedural IFS tanks (you can set their dimensions as you want, but resources are limited to their class),

Antimatter is even more special snowflake - it must have is own part.

Also Hydrates should be converted into H₂O and CH₄but it can contain CO₂

And ore is stock resource, that is converted to liquidfuel/oxidizer/monoproperlant.

I'll write here names shown by Advanced Resource Panel - its same names as in configs.

General Purpose Liquid Resource Tank (best mass ratio - 1:8 - 1:10, no special requirements for them) can contain:

LiquidFuel, Oxidizer, MonoPropellant, LqdHydrogen, LqdHelium, LqdNitrogen, LqdOxygen, LqdCO2, LqdCO, Water, HTP, LqdMethane, LqdAmmonia, Hydrazine.

It also can contain combinations of fuel/oxidizer: LiquidFuel/Oxidizer, Lqd(Hydrogen/Methane)/Oxygen.

It could contain SaltWater/HeavyWater, but these resources doesn't seem to be used as fusion fuel/propellant, but on other hand doesn't fit in ore tank.

Pressurized Gas Tank (Low mass ratio, like 1:3 - 1:5, as resources are in gaseous state):

NeonGas, ArgonGas, KryptonGas, XenonGas, SolarWind

SolarWind is collection of resources, just like SaltWater or Ore - you get multiple resources from processing them.

Ore Tank (Low mass ratio like 1:1 - 1:4, but being denser than GPLRT or PGT in same total volume):

Ore, Hydrates, Alumina, Borate, Silicates

You have to process them for further use.

Solid Resource Tank (Low mass ratio of 1:1 - 1:4, and high tank density, as solids needs to be powdered):

Lithium, Lithium6, Aluminium, Boron

These can be used as fusion fuel or propellant.

Radioactive Resource Tank (Lowest mass ratio of 1:1 - 1:3, and densest of all tanks, as its need to be shielded):

Monazite, Uraninite, EnrichedUranium, UraniumNitride, UF4, ThF4, DepletedFuel, Actinides

Tread carefully with these.

Heavy Duty Cryonics Tank (moderate mass ratio of 1:4 - 1:8, can contain He3, and have reduced loss rate when unpowered)

LqdHydrogen, LqdDeuterium, LqdTritium, LqdHelium, LqdHe3, Hexaborane

They also can have resource combinations set for fusion modes - tailored for D-T, D-He³, H-B¹¹, D-Li⁶ , H-Li⁷ and H-Li⁶ fusion modes.

Ratios shouldn't change across engines and reactors.

Antimatter Tank - because it is too volatile and needs magnetic trap.

Energy usage should go into MW territory, when holding 1 kg of antimatter.

Good suggestions, but what models to use? If not exsiting, What should they look like? Specificly the Solid and Radioactive tanks

Edited June 27, 2016 by FreeThinker

Liquid5n0w · June 27, 2016

53 minutes ago, FreeThinker said:

Note that despite the 2 cycle buttons are still visible (my mistake) the prefered method of selecting is the slider at the top which allows you quick access to a particualr resource, if you know where it is. Still it would be usefull if an pulldown menu option was avialble allowing you to select the sesource from a list

There must be another mod doing it in my install, but for things like procedural fuel tank I can click a button called show UI and pick from a list of different fuels, even partition one tank with lithium and hydrogen for example. I don't remember if it works on KSPI tanks, but I thought it was part of interstellar fuel switch. I guess I'm wrong, maybe it's modular fuel tanks?

Crashonaut · June 27, 2016

this is a nuclear waste storage tank, might be a good start

unactivated nuclear fuel requires minimal shielding (often in the for of U-238) depending on the fuel type. once it has been used then you need something like the above, or a container made of steel and some kind of radiation absorber, on earth concrete is used, but very impractical for space

this is a nuclear waste storage tank, might be a goods used, but very impractical for space

Edited June 27, 2016 by Crashonaut

Liquid5n0w · June 27, 2016

Oh and Interstellar Extending is not listed in CKAN anymore @FreeThinker. I have confirmed with a maintainer in CKAN that it's in the repository but is not showing up in the client. I think you should create an issue on their tracker and they can try to fix it for you.

EDIT: Here is the reason:

[09:35] <Blu3wolf> Liquid5n0w: KSP Interstellar Extended is still in CKAN, but is hidden (even from the All section) because blizzy's Toolbar hasnt been updated to 1.1.3 yet. If you have a KSP version of 1.1.2, and point CKAN to it, KSP Interstellar Extended will show up again.

Maybe you should remove all requirements from the listing and make them recommendations instead?

Edited June 27, 2016 by Liquid5n0w

FreeThinker · June 27, 2016

3 hours ago, Crashonaut said:

this is a nuclear waste storage tank, might be a good start

unactivated nuclear fuel requires minimal shielding (often in the for of U-238) depending on the fuel type. once it has been used then you need something like the above, or a container made of steel and some kind of radiation absorber, on earth concrete is used, but very impractical for space

this is a nuclear waste storage tank, might be a goods used, but very impractical for space

Nuclear waste is a seperate problem in space because what is holding you back to dump the nuclear waste overboard? One solution I can think of is to give it a high value, which you earn back if you recover the the waste back on Kerbin.

Edited June 27, 2016 by FreeThinker

Crashonaut · June 27, 2016

Good point @FreeThinker , just random ideas for nuclear containment. it wouldn't be a problem if the reactor is far from the inhabited part of the ship and there is some kind of radiation shield for the rest of the ship.

I would also think that refueling would be problematic since if you use steel it easily gets irradiated, i don't know about aluminum, but steel is preferred since it does a better job with radiation containment. and irradiated steel would wreak havoc on electronics

Edited June 27, 2016 by Crashonaut
added a few more thoughts

FreeThinker · June 27, 2016

Thanks for bringing this to my attention

Genomaniac · June 27, 2016

Hi,
Having some problems again with the most recent update and some ships with molten salt core reactors not loading. Very similar to the previous issues I reported before (and were fixed :-) )

raxo2222 · June 27, 2016

3 hours ago, FreeThinker said:

Good suggestions, but what models to use? If not exsiting, What should they look like? Specificly the Solid and Radioactive tanks

General tank: Same as before, but with sanity check.

Resources: LiquidFuel, Oxidizer, MonoPropellant, LqdHydrogen, LqdHelium, LqdNitrogen, LqdOxygen, LqdCO2, LqdCO, Water, HTP, LqdMethane, LqdAmmonia, Hydrazine, SaltWater, HeavyWater