Sirad Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Corw said: NASA wouldn't let *you* design the rocket to start with, so your point is a bit moot. This is so funny :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stibbons Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Sirad said: Never, ever put your own line of 'how you are doing something' upon others and force anyone to do as you did. This is not objective. I agree. Now stop trying to tell us how unplayable the game is without your preferred mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirad Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, stibbons said: I agree. Now stop trying to tell us how unplayable the game is without your preferred mods. Please show me the line where i wrote somewhere that the Game is 'unplayable' without 'my (or any) preferred mods'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stibbons Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Sirad said: Please show me the line where i wrote somewhere that the Game is 'unplayable' without 'my (or any) preferred mods'. *yawn* On 05/04/2018 at 4:44 PM, Sirad said: Well. i bet that guy who says 'im doing it stock without any mods' is the one who can do this even without using timewarp once. And without using a monitor for display... Without dv-readout its hard and without spreadsheets for your transfer windows its a mathematic tedious autistic nonsense to calculate your DV window. 23 hours ago, Sirad said: So besides that, if the key to this game is overdesigning any rocket by factor 5 and fly straight to moho, then i must have missed something in this game. If there is proper physics calculated (besides the 3 body problem, it is) why is there no proper Stock tool to use it ? Its Possible, mechjeb (and other tools) show. 21 hours ago, Sirad said: .'we're being pushed a broken product. ' This may not be absolutely correct, i would rather prefer 'we're been pushed a half done and rushed product' That may fit better. But since i have no insight what kind of code is done in what continent around our world on possibly cheapest rates, nor have i enough insight if other actually half done stuff (...) will be done maybe someday.... 11 hours ago, Sirad said: Thats the Point. I learned how to do orbital maneouvering and docking watching how mechjeb is doing it. So for me the game started easy and i had a learning curve. Now i know hot do dock, how to transfer and how to land. Even by eyeballing if i must, but i dont wanna. Tedious nonsense. There are quite plenty enough things left over in this game where a player can fail comically without the tedious nonsense to eyeball something like assembling a station around Earth in full size RSS. I would do if the NASA too would eyeball their rendezvous maneouvers. but---- A few posts ago some were mentioned..., radar altimeter only in iva, orbit info only in map mode, precice burns possible while its impossible to detect how much DV the rocket has. I guess (well there are quite a lot of posts here where 'guessing' is enhanced into a 'science') that this was not intentionally planned. It was left out because i 'guess' the wide river of Early acess money was flowing elsewhere.... 9 hours ago, Sirad said: No need to force others thru tedious trial and error stuff. this is a game at all and no exercice in 'masochistic behaviour' If i want to be masochistic i try dark soul with bare hands. I can eyeball NOW if i overdesign the rocket but thats no sucess but this is my opinion.... Quote Waiting for a working KSP Your entire contribution to this thread has been about how terrible it is that KSP doesn't include tools that you think are necessary, while roundly denouncing everybody pointing out that it's not only possible but not that hard to get by without them. But sure, argue semantics if you must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirad Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, stibbons said: Your entire contribution to this thread has been about how terrible it is that KSP doesn't include tools that you think are necessary, while roundly denouncing everybody pointing out that it's not only possible but not that hard to get by without them. But sure, argue semantics if you must. Well, you already posted the points you were pulling out. I did not see any Point that claims 'Mods made Stock' Looks like a randomly picked list. Quickly Rushed and Buggy (dejavu) not usable for this half assed insinuation. - The game has actually many Bugs. Stated Fact. Even the Church of KSK had to agree. - The release got rushed out buggy. Well. I just corrected that statemend another user wrote about that the game is 'Pushed broken.' KSP it's not Broken. its IMHO actually half-assed done and Buggy. So instead pulling this nonsense out against me you should be happy about someone dont let this stand uncorrected. You didnt. You think its broken ? - i made a joke about that one guy who said its all so damn easy. he replied. i replied and the tiny dispute was settled. Some have humor, some not. I have. even now. - i mentioned that it is possible to design far more efficient rockets if you use Tools/Mods. This is what i get my fun out of it. ...Lots of Posts, you widely missed the Point. Bad Example. - i explained how i learned to master this game until that level to be able to eyeball things too. Did i mentioned it has to be done that way ? - Waiting for a working KSP. Well im not the only one. and this will stand here until Bug #5235 gets fixed. Gosh, You really make me laugh. While i still se not the slightest hint that i was forcing or stating 'Mods' has to be made stock i feel insulted, oh I really feel insulted. i dont feel insulted because someone insinuated me that i was pushing into the 'mods made stock' sheme, no... I feel insulted because it was done so sloppy and with no proper love for the needed details. You must know, it is a sign of disrespect i absolutely love Details. I deserve to get my written word turned into utter lies and nonsense, a proper, stylish and well outthought way.... Besides that and all the Bugs this game currently has, an objective look to the way this game is actually heading and the way it MAY possibly go, leads to the insight that we, alltogether here and everyone who already bought the Game wont buy it a second time to support tce Cause of T2 (and a fraction of Squad) Maybe a lot here will pretend to do but at least---- So the Only way this game will live on is: New Customers. After all the Years i suggest that any Nerd in this Planetary system (and i proudly count myself to that group of dedicated Players) already own that game. Most of us even get the DLC's for free. So What kind of Future Customers this game is lurking at to wash in additional cash ? The un-nerdy-average-gamer. (oh what a blasphemic sentence) So we have a Game with no seriuos ingame help where a few additional graphics that could be F1-ed ingame would help the average gamer. Half assed features like the 'Radar Altimeter' could enter the Game fully, not hidden somewhere in IVA view, the a-1000-times mentioned DV Readout could enter the game too. There is Plenty of stuff that could enter the game to open it for a wider audience. Not for the sake of 'Mods made Stock' but for the sake of getting the Cash or get dropped. The decisions what to do are upon T2 at least. What does the average gamer do, who intentionally or accidentally Buys that game. He starts it. If he is a Nerd, he continues because he loves spaceflight and is willing to swim from dover to calais because of reasons. If he is a Typical gamer he tries to understand how it works and if he reaches no sucess in a specific amount of Time he drops it and writes a [snip] review. Or refund it. (oh what a blasphemic view) But this is how it goes. So we all know. whatever amount of money were earned selling this game long time ago is lost. any future Development only will happen if this game will open for a wider auditorium. And future customers entering. And i tell you a secret: We are not the average Gamer/Whale/Whatever kind of customer T2 is looking at. The development of the game has to, should go on for a long time because plenty Users are waiting for New features/new parts. Fact: No new customers no new content. T2 is no charity foundation. Im here because i like this game. Most of the Times... I expected more. Edited April 6, 2018 by Vanamonde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanamonde Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Some people feel the current version is too buggy and are angry about it. Some people are angry that those people are angry. None of this will fix the bugs, and since the thread has progressed from a bit of reasonable venting to attacking each other over how angry to be and what to be angry about it, it's time to move on to other discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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