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  On 10/20/2018 at 5:03 PM, Laie said:

Has anyone ever mentioned that stock "airliner" wings are too damn small? Certainly in relation to a Mk3 fuselage?

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That's the best I can do on a single pair of wings. Carries a meager 50 bombs.

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I agree, so I usually resort to using the space shuttle rudders spammed along the sides because of the insane amount of lift.

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Finally got my first entry sorted out. I'm starting off with a light bomber. This one carries only 20 bombs, but it goes pretty darn fast!

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It managed to do the mission in a mere 13 minutes and 43 seconds (I'm sure someone will do better at some point, but for now, gimme that fastest bomber award!)

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Cruising speed at 3km is roughly 1350 m/s, though the bomber won't usually cruise at that altitude because of the insane fuel drain

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And yes, it does carry an SSTO, not under the wing but on top of the hull.

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It can nuke the VAB quite easily.

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And it can generate 10+ G's at low altitude

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And eventually its service ceiling is definitely above 12km and it ticks the requirements for "gentle giant" as well.

Just doing the maths real quick gives me a final score of 468.38

 

Oh, and the thing goes by the uninteresting name of "CL-A2"

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  On 10/21/2018 at 10:51 AM, panzerknoef said:

Finally got my first entry sorted out. I'm starting off with a light bomber. This one carries only 20 bombs, but it goes pretty darn fast!

YZQHeUg.jpg

It managed to do the mission in a mere 13 minutes and 43 seconds (I'm sure someone will do better at some point, but for now, gimme that fastest bomber award!)

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Cruising speed at 3km is roughly 1350 m/s, though the bomber won't usually cruise at that altitude because of the insane fuel drain

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And yes, it does carry an SSTO, not under the wing but on top of the hull.

glmBI2x.jpg

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It can nuke the VAB quite easily.

RQjzV6m.jpg

And it can generate 10+ G's at low altitude

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And eventually its service ceiling is definitely above 12km and it ticks the requirements for "gentle giant" as well.

Just doing the maths real quick gives me a final score of 468.38

 

Oh, and the thing goes by the uninteresting name of "CL-A2"

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Pretty wing shape! You are now in second place behind my "Benchmark". I don't think trying to surpass it is good for a PC, however.

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  On 10/21/2018 at 4:38 PM, Kernel Kraken said:

Pretty wing shape! You are now in second place behind my "Benchmark". I don't think trying to surpass it is good for a PC, however.

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First of all, challenge accepted! Even if it means reaching a few spf! 

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  On 10/21/2018 at 7:08 PM, Laie said:

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My latest, the moment after it slithered to a halt. Let's all it KISS-2 or something. I haven't done any serious trials, so no score, but I want that F back.

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I'll do everything to get my F back if you do take it! 

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  On 10/22/2018 at 1:10 PM, qzgy said:

I guess I just have to beat both of you to keep you from fighting over the F :D

Also - send help my PC doesn't like running 800 odd parts in the air.

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Why do you do this to yourself for challenges. Why.

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  On 10/22/2018 at 11:41 AM, Kebab Kerman said:

Are mod propeller engines allowed? I pretty much can't make anything look good without propeller engines. Jet engines just don't look right on bombers to me anymore.

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I'd bet they are if they don't run on EC, because everyone should have to deal with the nightmare that is fuel efficiency. One of the scoreboards is for modded entries that use more than the allowed mods, so it would still qualify.

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  On 10/22/2018 at 2:42 PM, Kernel Kraken said:

-snipity snip snip snip-

I'd bet they are if they don't run on EC, because everyone should have to deal with the nightmare that is fuel efficiency. One of the scoreboards is for modded entries that use more than the allowed mods, so it would still qualify.

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Definitely. Electric engines in general have high to infinite effeciency, but are underpowered. For what I'm planning, I would need about... Maybe 100.

For EC bombers to be relevent here, they would have to have just enough EC production to have good range, but need to land to recharge. LF prop engines are best, though, as they are more powerful and can get to higher speeds.

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  On 10/22/2018 at 2:42 PM, Kernel Kraken said:

Why do you do this to yourself for challenges. Why.

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Well because.

Also, I haven't done any trials because, it's a small plane, built for speed. It has considerable cargo capacity, can smash the VAB and deploy a spaceplane, but ultimately, the biggest bomber wins. This vessel can't possibly compete in that field, why bother? Your too lazy to do the maths, and I'm too lazy to even determine the number when I know full well that they're all for naught.

It can do a bomb run and return in 12:13, that's the only metric I care about.

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  On 10/22/2018 at 5:02 PM, Laie said:

Well because.

Also, I haven't done any trials because, it's a small plane, built for speed. It has considerable cargo capacity, can smash the VAB and deploy a spaceplane, but ultimately, the biggest bomber wins. This vessel can't possibly compete in that field, why bother? Your too lazy to do the maths, and I'm too lazy to even determin the number when I know full well that they're all for naught.

It can do a bomb run and return in 12:13, that's the only metric I care about.

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The OP actually says that there would be different scoring for different plane sizes... As long as those categories aren't implemented it's indeed all about adding more bombs and very little beyond that... 

Also, 10:43

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  On 10/22/2018 at 6:23 PM, panzerknoef said:

The OP actually says that there would be different scoring for different plane sizes... As long as those categories aren't implemented it's indeed all about adding more bombs and very little beyond that... 

Also, 10:43

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Oh yeah, forgot to do the different scoreboards! I am not good at rebooting.

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  On 10/22/2018 at 6:23 PM, panzerknoef said:

Also, 10:43

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So we're approaching the margins? Color me impressed. Nevertheless, here's 10:24.

 

There can be no talk of aiming for a particular target, but I try to make a point of seeing (and hearing) my bombs impact the ground. Still, I was out of physics range before the last ones came down... I guess it's obvious that there's still room for improvement, but I won't get to do any better for the next couple of days and want to claim my F as long as I still can. So, 10:24 is what I have for now.

It's the "Bummer", carries 18 bombs, probably cannot circumnavigate at any speed, but can carry a lot more mass than it does on this flight. As a best guess, it should be somewhere upwards of 400pts. Quick check, >1200m/s@3km, 144 for extra payload, a few odds and ends, doing my own maths... at least 400 points, possibly 430.

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  On 10/22/2018 at 7:19 PM, sturmhauke said:

You'll definitely need a mod leaderboard if you're allowing Tweakscale now. That makes it significantly easier to make large wings, and by extension large payloads.

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The mod leaderboard is for planes with mods not allowed. Tweakscale is just fun to break stuff with.

  On 10/22/2018 at 7:36 PM, Laie said:

So we're approaching the margins? Color me impressed. Nevertheless, here's 10:24.

 

There can be no talk of aiming for a particular target, but I try to make a point of seeing (and hearing) my bombs impact the ground. Still, I was out of physics range before the last ones came down... I guess it's obvious that there's still room for improvement, but 10:24 is what I have for now.

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Are you going to do the math, try for a better run, or do you want me to put it up?

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  On 10/22/2018 at 7:36 PM, Laie said:

So we're approaching the margins? Color me impressed. Nevertheless, here's 10:24.

 

There can be no talk of aiming for a particular target, but I try to make a point of seeing (and hearing) my bombs impact the ground. Still, I was out of physics range before the last ones came down... I guess it's obvious that there's still room for improvement, but 10:24 is what I have for now.

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Dropping the bombs like that does save a good minute or so of slowing down for a casual bomb run... It's an interesting technique, I'll probably use it on my next run! 

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Post collision! I just did a speed test (1200m/s at 3km, running on infinite propellant -full load- for for longer than the fuel would last without risk of burning up) and best-guessed the rest, updated my previous post. A good 400 points, I'd say. I probably won't get to to do anything better for the next two days, so this is what I got.

A propos of nothing, what makes for a good VAB-buster?

  On 10/22/2018 at 8:26 PM, panzerknoef said:

Dropping the bombs like that does save a good minute or so of slowing down for a casual bomb run... It's an interesting technique, I'll probably use it on my next run! 

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A looping would probably be better still, but that's beyond me. Our planes are already as fast as it gets; from now on any improvements must be skill alone -- that's why I wanted to post this while it's still fresh.

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  On 10/22/2018 at 8:31 PM, Laie said:

Post collision! I just did a speed test (1200m/s at 3km, running on infinite propellant -full load- for for longer than the fuel would last without risk of burning up) and best-guessed the rest, updated my previous post. A good 400 points, I'd say. I probably won't get to to do anything better for the next two days, so this is what I got.

A propos of nothing, what makes for a good VAB-buster?

A looping would probably be better still, but that's beyond me. Our planes are already as fast as it gets; from now on any improvements must be skill alone -- that's why I wanted to post this while it's still fresh.

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Yeah I'm already hitting the boundaries of overheating, it's gonna be balancing speed and survival on a knifes edge from now on! Don't even know if I'm gonna be able to beat you... I do think my plane can survive the G forces of a looping at +/- 1400m/s but we'll see... 

As for the vab killer, just strap some steal beams to the ore tanks and you should be fine 

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  On 10/22/2018 at 9:05 PM, panzerknoef said:

As for the vab killer, just strap some steal beams to the ore tanks and you should be fine 

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I made this other bomber a while back. It's not eligible for this challenge since the payload is wing-mounted, but you can get a look at my heavy rockets if you need an alternate payload design.

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