Why is Life Support missing on the KSP2 Roadmap?

[t_v]

38 minutes ago, Pthigrivi said:

Another key is building in a buffer like built-in snacks for all crew modules or a grace-period so players don't have to worry about it until they start building stations and thinking about crewed interplanetary missions. 

If anything, the opposite should happen for non-punitive life support. If losing life support means you lose capabilities that you had at the beginning of the game/mission, then that feels punitive. But if you never had LS before and then it unlocks new capabilities or productivity , then it is a bonus. This could be used to naturally gate activities until after going outside Kerbin SOI, like requiring snacks to work in labs (and making sure that players can’t get both LS and labs while in Kerbin SOI), or just deliver bonuses. In the end the impact of LS is the same: you get less from your missions without it, but going without LS to begin with frames it differently. 

[Truebadour]

17 hours ago, Vl3d said:

May I remind you that all kerbals die if you forget one part - the heat shield.

Like building a rocket with not enough fuel, forgiving solar panels or a heatshield is a design flaw on the vessel most basic functions.

I understand the rest of your points and as a player with thousands of hours behind me I'll be happy either way if the devs decide to implement life support or not. I even play like you just described, by using big ships with a small number of kerbals to "simulate" a living space. However I still think it would be a risky move for a game that wants to attract new players.

In the end it's just a matter of personal opinion and where we draw the line of how many fuel we want: rocket fuel, monoprop fuel, electric fuel, snack fuel, oxygen fuel, living space fuel. I just think it would be a missed opportunity to just have LS as another type of expandable resource that can end a 3 hours mission. Again, from a beginner's perspective.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Truebadour

[Abel Military Services]

21 hours ago, Vl3d said:

Try Simplex Kerbalism, it's the best.

Yep, I tried, but the complex science experiment system is too hard for me. 

[Vl3d]

5 minutes ago, Abel Military Services said:

Yep, I tried, but the complex science experiment system is too hard for me. 

Experiments are automated in Kerbalism, it's actually easier than stock. You just need to enable them and allow enough time for them to complete.

[Abel Military Services]

Just now, Vl3d said:

Experiments are automated in Kerbalism, it's actually easier than stock. You just need to enable them and allow enough time for them to complete.

Oh thanks. 

[stoffcam]

When I first installed Kerbalism mod, its when game went from fun to immersive.  I like to plan for food, water, oxygen, nitrogen, radiation, sanity and age. I understand this is not for all players, but make it an option.

[Kalessin1]

In my opinion a LS should be implemented in game even in later development state. But to make everyone happy, at beginning of game you should be able to choose LS like difficult level for example:

1) Beginner - no LS

2) Medium - base LS like snacks, few extra parts like storage for snacks and maybe some agricultural part for replenishment

3) Advanced - advanced LS including oxygen, water etc, resource conversion to LS, many parts for LS and LS conversion. Maybe some hibernation pods for interstellar.

And in this way everyone are happy. It would be as same as choosing Career, Science, Sandbox mod.

[tstein]

Iw oudl simply make, no life support? then no science ..  kerbals united on strike!

[Vl3d]

 

[adamfrog]

Think thats cargo bays tbh

[GoldForest]

1 hour ago, Vl3d said:

 

That's the "Cargo" symbol. The fact the crate has a cross symbol means nothing. 

Until we get confirmation of life support, best to assume it's not in the game. 

[Pthigrivi]

I personally wouldn’t expect it before colonies at the soonest and probably more like when resources and ISRU are introduced. 

[adamfrog]

If you want to grasp at any straws, what about the pic of the space station? Some of the modules reminded me of some life support mods I think

[RocketBoy1641]

Personally, I hope to get to a point that there is food, drinking water, O2, pressuization (ie Nitrogen from Kerbalism), temperature control (heating/cooling), and radiation shielding all as life support concerns.  But, whether that is better done by studio or mods is a great debate.  If the studio does it, I hope that it will be able to be adjusted for difficulty levels including 'no ls required'.  That said, getting craft places with life support is a glorious challenge.

[DimaPT]

I feel like it would make a lot of sense for life support to come with colonies, because of the resource management. There's fuel factories and maybe there will be oxygen factories or something of the sort.