Jump to content

New space traveller here!

yete1

By yete1
in Welcome Aboard

 Share

Recommended Posts

yete1

yete1

Posted
Posted

Hello fellow forum readers,

I have been a fan since .14 but now I am running .17, and It seems to me that I may have hit the brick wall in space. I used to be able to create great rockst that could get into orbits relativley smooth. Now I have my sights on Minmus, but every rocket design of mine collides with itself in the gravity turn, runs out of fuel, or just dosn't have the right TWR. ;.;

I guess I have a real engineering problem on my hands now huh, lol.

This is my first time on the forums and from what I can tell, you guys are very supportive, inteligent and able to help people with problems such as mine. Any hints and tips, or heck, a full design would even be great towards my efforts to landing on that small, distant, teal orb I call Minmus.:D

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hillstache

Hillstache

Posted
Posted

Welcome!

My advice would be to watch the G forces as your fuel runs out in your stages. Somewhere around 3-5 G's depending your rockets can start to thrust through the fuel tanks. I throttle to keep the G's at about 2.

My main heavy lifter has some crazy TWR variations, at various parts of my orbital burn it has anywhere from .8 to 6 TWR. So I'm not very consistent there either!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mustwinfull

mustwinfull

Posted
Posted

Welcome to the forums, yete1.

I don't know what is wrong with your spacecraft as I haven't tried to get to Minmus yet, maybe a picture taken in game could help us more to identify the problem.

I would suggest taking a look at some of the Minmus capable craft and take some ideas from them as that can help.

Have fun playing KSP and go blow up some rockets! :sticktongue:

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Vanamonde

Vanamonde

Posted
Posted

There have been little changes from previous versions as well as big ones, so even the familiar parts may not be doing what you're used to them doing in previous versions. For example, a 3-man pod is now REALLY big and heavy, compared to previous versions. Have you tried starting with something small and working your way up?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
sal_vager

sal_vager

Posted
Posted

Hi yete1, welcome to the community :)

You want a rocket? Well I can share mine, it's designed for hand flying and lacks RCS so you'll need to do a correction burn half way to Minmus, but it can get you there.

Copy the following into a text file, and name it Desert Star.craft

ship = Desert Star

version = 0.17.0

type = VAB

PART

{

part = mk1pod_4294850784

pos = 0.04488802,14.88617,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 0

dstg = 0

sidx = 0

sqor = -1

attm = 0

link = parachuteSingle_4294850716

link = stackDecoupler_4294850672

attN = bottom, stackDecoupler_4294850672

attN = top, parachuteSingle_4294850716

}

PART

{

part = parachuteSingle_4294850716

pos = 0.04488802,15.54362,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 0

dstg = 0

sidx = 1

sqor = -1

attm = 0

attN = bottom, mk1pod_4294850784

}

PART

{

part = stackDecoupler_4294850672

pos = 0.04488802,14.37814,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 1

dstg = 1

sidx = 0

sqor = -1

attm = 0

link = fuelTankSmall_4294850634

link = ladder1_4294850176

attN = bottom, fuelTankSmall_4294850634

attN = top, mk1pod_4294850784

}

PART

{

part = fuelTankSmall_4294850634

pos = 0.04488802,13.45587,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 0

sqor = 2

attm = 0

link = liquidEngine3_4294850606

link = landingLeg1_4294850538

link = landingLeg1_4294850490

link = landingLeg1_4294850442

link = telescopicLadder_4294850394

link = ladder1_4294850134

attN = top, stackDecoupler_4294850672

attN = bottom, liquidEngine3_4294850606

}

PART

{

part = liquidEngine3_4294850606

pos = 0.04488802,12.63,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 1

sqor = 2

attm = 0

link = stackDecoupler_4294850092

attN = top, fuelTankSmall_4294850634

attN = bottom, stackDecoupler_4294850092

}

PART

{

part = landingLeg1_4294850538

pos = -0.6148008,12.99816,-0.3800731

rot = 5.831503E-10,0.258819,-4.429486E-09,-0.9659259

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 2

sqor = 2

attm = 1

sym = landingLeg1_4294850442

sym = landingLeg1_4294850490

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294850634

}

PART

{

part = landingLeg1_4294850490

pos = 0.04488813,12.99816,0.7625412

rot = -3.544472E-09,-0.7071069,-2.719766E-09,-0.7071068

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 3

sqor = 2

attm = 1

sym = landingLeg1_4294850442

sym = landingLeg1_4294850538

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294850634

}

PART

{

part = landingLeg1_4294850442

pos = 0.7045767,12.99816,-0.3800733

rot = 4.127622E-09,0.9659259,-1.70972E-09,-0.2588191

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 4

sqor = 2

attm = 1

sym = landingLeg1_4294850538

sym = landingLeg1_4294850490

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294850634

}

PART

{

part = telescopicLadder_4294850394

pos = 0.04488796,13.62023,-0.6205575

rot = 1.015035E-08,0.7071068,-1.322818E-08,-0.7071069

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 5

sqor = 2

attm = 1

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294850634

MODULE

{

name = RetractableLadder

isEnabled = True

StateName = Retracted

ladderAnimationRootName = TelusBay

ladderColliderName = ladderCollider

ladderRetractAnimationName = Retract

externalActivationRange = 5

}

}

PART

{

part = ladder1_4294850176

pos = 0.04488796,14.37411,-0.6463233

rot = 0,0.7071068,0,-0.7071069

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 7

sqor = 2

attm = 1

srfN = srfAttach, stackDecoupler_4294850672

}

PART

{

part = ladder1_4294850134

pos = 0.04488796,13.93548,-0.6235158

rot = 1.015035E-08,0.7071068,-1.322818E-08,-0.7071069

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 2

sidx = 8

sqor = 2

attm = 1

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294850634

}

PART

{

part = stackDecoupler_4294850092

pos = 0.04488802,12.0542,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 2

dstg = 3

sidx = 6

sqor = 2

attm = 0

link = fuelTank_4294850054

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294850054

attN = top, liquidEngine3_4294850606

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294850054

pos = 0.04488802,10.72149,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 3

dstg = 4

sidx = 1

sqor = 4

attm = 0

link = liquidEngine3_4294850026

attN = top, stackDecoupler_4294850092

attN = bottom, liquidEngine3_4294850026

}

PART

{

part = liquidEngine3_4294850026

pos = 0.04488802,9.538373,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 3

dstg = 4

sidx = 2

sqor = 4

attm = 0

link = stackDecoupler_4294849958

attN = top, fuelTank_4294850054

attN = bottom, stackDecoupler_4294849958

}

PART

{

part = stackDecoupler_4294849958

pos = 0.04488802,8.962571,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 3

dstg = 5

sidx = 0

sqor = 4

attm = 0

link = fuelTank_4294849920

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294849920

attN = top, liquidEngine3_4294850026

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294849920

pos = 0.04488802,7.629866,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 4

dstg = 6

sidx = 2

sqor = 6

attm = 0

link = fuelTank_4294846530

link = radialDecoupler_4294842144

link = radialDecoupler_4294842308

attN = top, stackDecoupler_4294849958

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294846530

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294846530

pos = 0.04488802,5.751677,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 4

dstg = 6

sidx = 3

sqor = 6

attm = 0

link = fuelTank_4294846124

attN = top, fuelTank_4294849920

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294846124

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294846124

pos = 0.04488802,3.873487,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 4

dstg = 6

sidx = 4

sqor = 6

attm = 0

link = fuelTankSmall_4294845656

attN = top, fuelTank_4294846530

attN = bottom, fuelTankSmall_4294845656

}

PART

{

part = fuelTankSmall_4294845656

pos = 0.04488802,2.405738,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 4

dstg = 6

sidx = 5

sqor = 6

attm = 0

link = liquidEngine_4294845132

attN = top, fuelTank_4294846124

attN = bottom, liquidEngine_4294845132

}

PART

{

part = liquidEngine_4294845132

pos = 0.04488802,0.9486609,0.0007982254

rot = 0,0,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 6

sidx = 1

sqor = 8

attm = 0

attN = top, fuelTankSmall_4294845656

}

PART

{

part = radialDecoupler_4294842144

pos = -0.5743868,7.72847,0.0007982426

rot = 0,-4.371139E-08,0,-1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 4

dstg = 7

sidx = 1

sqor = 6

attm = 1

link = fuelTank_4294841326

sym = radialDecoupler_4294842308

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTank_4294849920

}

PART

{

part = radialDecoupler_4294842308

pos = 0.6641628,7.72847,0.0007982623

rot = 0,1,0,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 4

dstg = 7

sidx = 0

sqor = 6

attm = 1

link = fuelTank_4294843614

sym = radialDecoupler_4294842144

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTank_4294849920

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294841326

pos = -1.606896,7.598332,0.0007983087

rot = 0,-4.371139E-08,0,-1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 5

sqor = 8

attm = 1

link = fuelTank_4294841294

sym = fuelTank_4294843614

srfN = srfAttach, radialDecoupler_4294842144

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294841294

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294841294

pos = -1.606896,5.720143,0.0007983087

rot = 0,-4.371139E-08,0,-1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 4

sqor = 8

attm = 0

link = fuelTank_4294841262

sym = fuelTank_4294843582

attN = top, fuelTank_4294841326

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294841262

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294841262

pos = -1.606896,3.841954,0.0007983087

rot = 0,-4.371139E-08,0,-1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 3

sqor = 8

attm = 0

link = fuelTankSmall_4294841230

sym = fuelTank_4294843550

attN = top, fuelTank_4294841294

attN = bottom, fuelTankSmall_4294841230

}

PART

{

part = fuelTankSmall_4294841230

pos = -1.606896,2.374205,0.0007983087

rot = 0,-4.371139E-08,0,-1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 2

sqor = 8

attm = 0

link = liquidEngine_4294841198

link = strutConnector_4294840752

link = fuelLine_4294839774

sym = fuelTankSmall_4294843518

attN = top, fuelTank_4294841262

attN = bottom, liquidEngine_4294841198

}

PART

{

part = liquidEngine_4294841198

pos = -1.606896,0.9171276,0.0007983087

rot = 0,-4.371139E-08,0,-1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 0

sqor = 8

attm = 0

sym = liquidEngine_4294843486

attN = top, fuelTankSmall_4294841230

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294843614

pos = 1.696672,7.598332,0.0007982865

rot = 0,1,0,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 10

sqor = 8

attm = 1

link = fuelTank_4294843582

sym = fuelTank_4294841326

srfN = srfAttach, radialDecoupler_4294842308

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294843582

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294843582

pos = 1.696672,5.720143,0.0007982865

rot = 0,1,0,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 9

sqor = 8

attm = 0

link = fuelTank_4294843550

sym = fuelTank_4294841294

attN = top, fuelTank_4294843614

attN = bottom, fuelTank_4294843550

}

PART

{

part = fuelTank_4294843550

pos = 1.696672,3.841954,0.0007982865

rot = 0,1,0,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 8

sqor = 8

attm = 0

link = fuelTankSmall_4294843518

sym = fuelTank_4294841262

attN = top, fuelTank_4294843582

attN = bottom, fuelTankSmall_4294843518

}

PART

{

part = fuelTankSmall_4294843518

pos = 1.696672,2.374205,0.0007982865

rot = 0,1,0,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 7

sqor = 8

attm = 0

link = liquidEngine_4294843486

link = strutConnector_4294840470

link = fuelLine_4294839526

sym = fuelTankSmall_4294841230

attN = top, fuelTank_4294843550

attN = bottom, liquidEngine_4294843486

}

PART

{

part = liquidEngine_4294843486

pos = 1.696672,0.9171276,0.0007982865

rot = 0,1,0,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 6

sqor = 8

attm = 0

sym = liquidEngine_4294841198

attN = top, fuelTankSmall_4294843518

}

PART

{

part = strutConnector_4294840470

pos = 1.071957,2.149321,0.0007981947

rot = -5.747179E-10,-4.371139E-08,-8.7686E-09,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 12

sqor = 8

attm = 1

cData = tgt: fuelTankSmall_12; pos: -0.4123744,0.03315067,0.03846243; dir: -0.9925042,0.07978711,0.09257159

sym = strutConnector_4294840752

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294843518

}

PART

{

part = strutConnector_4294840752

pos = -0.9821807,2.149321,0.0007983459

rot = -8.7686E-09,1,5.747183E-10,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 11

sqor = 8

attm = 1

cData = tgt: fuelTankSmall_12; pos: -0.4123746,0.03315067,0.03846255; dir: -0.9925042,0.07978711,0.09257159

sym = strutConnector_4294840470

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294841230

}

PART

{

part = fuelLine_4294839526

pos = 1.074967,2.521092,0.0007981951

rot = 0,-4.371139E-08,0,1

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 14

sqor = 8

attm = 1

cData = tgt: fuelTankSmall_12; pos: -0.4155045,-0.03193569,0.03890851; dir: -0.9927416,-0.07630216,0.09296206; rot: -0.7010574,-0.09229553,-0.09229553,0.7010574

sym = fuelLine_4294839774

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294843518

}

PART

{

part = fuelLine_4294839774

pos = -0.9851912,2.521092,0.0007983457

rot = 0,1,0,0

attRot = 0,0,0,1

mir = 1,1,1

istg = 5

dstg = 8

sidx = 13

sqor = 8

attm = 1

cData = tgt: fuelTankSmall_12; pos: -0.4155045,-0.03193569,0.03890866; dir: -0.9927416,-0.07630216,0.09296206; rot: -0.7010574,-0.09229555,-0.09229555,0.7010574

sym = fuelLine_4294839526

srfN = srfAttach, fuelTankSmall_4294841230

}

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Qumefox

Qumefox

Posted
Posted (edited)

Three things.

1) End of mission readout is your friend.

It'll tell you what part the failure is starting at so you know where in your ship you need to strengthen/redesign.

2) Struts are your friend.

Seriously. Pretty much all designs will have improved stability/strength with well placed struts. Though keep in mind where you put them is a lot more critical than just adding more.. Bad strut placement just eats part count/cpu time with no real structural benefit.

3) Less is more.

Really.. The lighter your payload, the easier a lift stage will be to build, and you'll have an easier time getting it into orbit and to your goal. Unless your just screwing around trying to build the craziest stuff you can to see if it'll fly (which is fun too) generally you should try to use the absolute fewest parts you can get away with to accomplish your goal. Mass is your enemy. Fewer parts = less mass.

Also.. If your having problems with a ship, we can help you a lot more if you post .craft files.. or at minimum.. screenshots, of your ship.

Edited by Qumefox
Link to comment
Share on other sites
This thread is quite old. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...