DareDrop Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 So it's been about 2 1/2 years since I last played KSP 1. When KSP 2 came out I started playing that, but found it wasn't ready for me, but that got me interested in going back I'm doing KSP1 again. I'm about 1/2 to 2/3 through the tech tree and I'm at the point where I want to start doing some space construction. So far just little stuff, practicing and developing the techniques necessary. So I've run into a problem, I've got my engineer on EVA, I've got my construction window open, and I'm ready to move a part from the storage container over to my Kerbal and as soon as I do that everything blows up. I lose total control over my engineer, he freezes and goes drifting and tumbling off into space. So I tried this at least half a dozen times or more, I've quit the program and restarted it, shut the computer down and restarted it, opened a new save and a older save. Tried it at a space station and then with a spaceship free in orbit. What seems odd is that the space station or the spaceship seems pretty stable in orbit but the engineer almost appears as if he's going in a retro direction keeping pace with rotation of the planet. It's almost like he was planet side and everything else is in space. So I know that there have been issues with things in the past, but I've never experienced it. Is this something new or is it a conflict or a bug with mods? Other than that everything seems to be Operating okay. Mod list ASET Consolidated Agency (ASETAgency v2.0.2) ASET Consolidated Props Pack (ASETProps v2.0.7) Breaking Ground (BreakingGround-DLC 1.7.1) Camera Focus Changer (CameraFocusChanger 1:1.1.0.2) ClickThrough Blocker (ClickThroughBlocker 1:2.1.10.21) Community Category Kit (CommunityCategoryKit v112.0.1) Easy Vessel Switch (EVS) (EasyVesselSwitch 2.3) Filter Extensions - Plugin (FilterExtensions 3.2.9) Fuel Tank Expansion Rebuilt (MunarIndustriesFTX 0.9.7.1) Harmony 2 (Harmony2 2.2.1.0) Interstellar Fuel Switch Core (InterstellarFuelSwitch-Core 3.30.0) Kerbal Attachment System (KAS 1.12) Kerbal Engineer Redux (KerbalEngineerRedux 1.1.9.0) Kerbal Inventory System (KIS 1.29) KSP Community Fixes (KSPCommunityFixes 1.34.1) KSP Recall (KSP-Recall v0.4.0.1) Making History (MakingHistory-DLC 1.12.1) MechJeb 2 (MechJeb2 2.14.3.0) Minimum Ambient Lighting Updated (MinAmbLightUpd 1.2.6.2) Module Manager (ModuleManager 4.2.3) Procedural Parts (ProceduralParts v2.5.8.0) Procedural Parts - Hazard Tanks Textures (HazardTanksTextures 1.0) Procedural Parts - Ven's Revamp Style Textures (VensStylePPTextures 1.1) RasterPropMonitor Core (RasterPropMonitor-Core 1:v0.31.13.4) SpaceTux Library (SpaceTuxLibrary 0.0.8.5) Surface Mounted Lights (surfacelights 1.19) The Janitor's Closet (JanitorsCloset 0.3.8) Toolbar (Toolbar 1:1.8.1.1) Toolbar Controller (ToolbarController 1:0.1.9.11) Tracking Station Evolved (TrackingStationEvolved 7.0) TweakScale - Rescale Everything! (TweakScale v2.4.7.4) TweakScale Redistributable (TweakScale-Redist v2.4.7.4) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kspbutitscursed Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Could you send me the KSP.log please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDrop Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 Quote Could you send me the KSP.log please Sorry never sent one before, where do I send It? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDrop Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 Quote Could you send me the KSP.log please Does this work for you? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/9nu3wm2ngmasott4u57uv/h?rlkey=4bd37qp3uguppktnmnzn091sk&dl=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDrop Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 Anyone have any thoughts on this or comments, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDrop Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 So much for this, he asked for my log and never got back to me, any way what's one to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadJohn Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/2/2024 at 9:38 PM, DareDrop said: So much for this, he asked for my log and never got back to me, any way what's one to do? It's only a few days. Users can get busy outside the forums. KSP mods are not officially supported and just about everyone here is a volunteer. I'm not an expert in diagnosing log files but I'll share my experience with EVA Construction bugs. I haven't had any disasters for a while, but in one old playthrough pre-1.12 I used to get them often. I never isolated the cause but I do have some workarounds that might help you. Or, unfortunately, might just end up taking time testing things that don't help. P.S. After writing all this, I'm not sure whether your are talking about KIS construction mode or stock EVA Construction. Most of what I wrote is about stock construction. Try using the other one and see if it works better. First, make a full backup of your entire KSP folder so you can undo mod changes later. Always do a quicksave before attempting EVA Construction. My problems were partly or wholly due to phantom acceleration forces. One part would push against another part and make the vessel spin. Acceleration would continue until vessel failure. However, sometimes vessels would blow up immediately on attachment which was maybe a different issue, or maybe the acceleration was just so fast that parts instantly smashed into each other. Rather than attaching the part directly from storage, drop it on the ground or let it float in space first. Then attach it. IIRC pulling parts out of containers frequently caused problems. If surface attaching is causing a problem try to attach to a node. If node attachment is causing a problem try surface attachment. If the alternate attachment works then try a second attachment to your desired location. Vessels with offset and clipped parts seemed to trigger the problem more frequently. Try re-offsetting clipped parts. If the explosion happens while your engineer is on a ladder, try doing the construction while floating in space. If it happens while floating, try from a ladder. Cheat the vessel back to Kerbin or another surface before using EVA Construction (I use HyperEdit). Gravity, ground contact, etc. can stop phantom acceleration. Perform your part attachments then cheat back into space. I see you are using Kerbal Inventory System and Kerbal Attachment System. I still use KAS but abandoned KIS. Test installing Kerbal Joint Reinforcement - Next. I use that fork in all my builds. Parts that are a little too close to a Kerbal might clip and trigger acceleration. Check for science experiments and other parts near hatches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDrop Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 Quote It's only a few days. Users can get busy outside the forums. KSP mods are not officially supported and just about everyone here is a volunteer. I understand that and I wasn't expecting an answer right away, But it would have been really nice if you just told me that he got my log file. Quote My problems were partly or wholly due to phantom acceleration forces. One part would push against another part and make the vessel spin. Acceleration would continue until vessel failure. However, sometimes vessels would blow up immediately on attachment which was maybe a different issue, or maybe the acceleration was just so fast that parts instantly smashed into each other. My issue here was that it blew up just when I was transferring the part from the spaceship cargo compartment to the kerbals cargo compartment. Never even got to the kerbol, and it never even got into space. It would be interesting to see what would happen if I tried the same thing outside Kerban's sphere of influence. It was tested on the ground on the space strip, but I understand that's no replacement for actually doing it space. Quote Cheat the vessel back to Kerbin or another surface before using EVA Construction (I use HyperEdit). Gravity, ground contact, etc. can stop phantom acceleration. Perform your part attachments then cheat back into space. It's been my experience that using HyperEdit just introduces a whole other order of problems that can crop up. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it. It gives me a whole new host of things to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDrop Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 (edited) So I've been playing around with this to see if I can figure out what the heck is going on. Has launched a new rocket, took it to the Mun and it seemed fine, other than the EVA controls seem to be slightly odd. Have yet to investigate that to see what's going on. A launched a new rocket and took it in to orbit and docked at the Gateway and tried some more experiments. The EVA control issues seem to persist. So I tried some construction work, hit the construction button to open up my storage links on the left hand side of the page, When I mouse over to grab the scroll bar to move it up and down so I could see the right storage location in the window the Kerbol started moving around with the movement of the scroll bar. Somewhat more controlled than what I experience before, not not a lot. Has anybody seen anything like this before, at first I thought it was like a click-through problem but I've got to click through blocker installed? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/snsk1bg2mjhq5q8zsze5f/EVA-Test.jpg?rlkey=1ta5fl9w5g9u55ay7jag0s96v&dl=0 Edited March 7 by DareDrop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDrop Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 I guess this is a total loss, one for the trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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