[1.12.x] [Planet Pack] Outer Planets Expansion (OPX)

[QuadrilateralsAreCool]

On 2/20/2025 at 6:22 PM, sirakov said:

I am using SSM. with the Mun's farther orbit, I assume it takes same delta v it would normally take to reach minmus to reach? Landing on the Mun would be the same delta v as stock?

It takes nearly as much, the Mun's SOI is larger so it technically takes a little less, and Mun's gravity was unchanged so it should be the same.

[QuadrilateralsAreCool]

On 2/21/2025 at 6:14 PM, cereanserino said:

I decided to go through the configs, and I noticed that a few of the moons refer to a file directory in UrlumPlus. It's some kind of texture; maybe for an orbit icon? I'm not sure. Whatever it is, I removed the reference to that in those configs, and the game booted without incident. I haven't yet found any major bugs in the game with that line of code removed, but then again, I'm not even sure what it was for or how to check.

Whether that line is important to the function of the mod or not, that still means that JoolPlus is dependent on UrlumPlus to function in its current configuration. It looks like this is true in both CKAN and SpaceDock, and I can't seem to find any mention of that dependency anywhere. Is this intentional? Am I having some kind of installation error?

Urlum Plus isn't supposed to be a dependency, they're all supposed to be independent. The icons exist in Jool Plus and I created a pull request on its Github to use these instead.

[Stargaze_000]

What does the Jool+ mean?? 

[Richmountain112]

On 7/6/2024 at 10:34 AM, Nikolai said:

I'm in one hundred percent agreement.  I don't think you could make me more interested in your efforts if you tried.  Once again, thank you so much!

When I first landed on Thatmo, I entered into a Retrograde orbit so that getting into orbit was easier.

[Nikolai]

On 3/2/2025 at 5:40 PM, Stargaze_000 said:

What does the Jool+ mean?? 

I'm guessing it means "The Jool system that you're used to in stock, plus more".

[The Minmus Derp]

  

On 2/6/2025 at 8:07 AM, Richmountain112 said:

Sounds cool (already installed it) but why do Tylo, Laythe, and Vall need shrinking? Could Jool have its mass increased instead?

And also the title screen replaced Kerbin with Sarnus for some reason, but Sarnus is my favorite planet (and likely most visited) in KSP. Is it intentional?

Is there also an option to revert the textures back to the default?

1. Tylo is over fifty times more massive than its counterpart, as is Laythe. Vall is less egregious, but all three of them are preposterously oversized for any realistic star system, which is why they always destabilize immediately in Principia. Making Jool larger to match would make it one of the larger known brown dwarfs.

2. Yep. MMB.cfg in SarnusPlus does so. If you want to change that, edit that file.

3. There is not.

On 2/8/2025 at 8:15 AM, Stratickus said:

My bad, I just read the FAQ.. I'm assuming some other kind soul is updating the CKAN meta data.

Cheers,

Whoever's doing that has my infinite gratitude, as I do not know how to do so.

On 2/17/2025 at 9:09 PM, Richmountain112 said:

For those of you who say the stock system is devoid of stuff, I think the OPM expansion adds too many planets, asteroids, moons, and dwarf planets.

Also, there is an error with the replacement Jool upon loading the entire thing.

You can turn off the pseudobodies if you so desire.

If you want the error to be fixed, you'll have to tell me what it is.

On 2/20/2025 at 5:22 PM, sirakov said:

I am using SSM. with the Mun's farther orbit, I assume it takes same delta v it would normally take to reach minmus to reach? Landing on the Mun would be the same delta v as stock?

Its orbit is nearly identical to minmus, so I would assume that it requires the same deltaV as minmus, if not a little bit less due to its higher gravity. The size and mass remain unchanged.

 

On 2/21/2025 at 5:14 PM, cereanserino said:

Hey, all. I've spent the last few weeks troubleshooting a problem I've been having, and I think I might have found a pretty major oversight in the configs, so I'm wondering what y'all think.

In a pack I'm using, I have JoolPlus installed, but none of the other OPX components. Whenever I tried to boot the game in this configuration, it would crash and never load, despite the fact that as the documentation is set up right now, I can't seem to find anything that says it shouldn't work.

I decided to go through the configs, and I noticed that a few of the moons refer to a file directory in UrlumPlus. It's some kind of texture; maybe for an orbit icon? I'm not sure. Whatever it is, I removed the reference to that in those configs, and the game booted without incident. I haven't yet found any major bugs in the game with that line of code removed, but then again, I'm not even sure what it was for or how to check.

Whether that line is important to the function of the mod or not, that still means that JoolPlus is dependent on UrlumPlus to function in its current configuration. It looks like this is true in both CKAN and SpaceDock, and I can't seem to find any mention of that dependency anywhere. Is this intentional? Am I having some kind of installation error?

That is odd, I'll have to fix that for the next release ASAP. In the meantime, you could probably edit that line to say JoolPlus instead of UrlumPlus, the file is the same. I finished one of my AP classes last week, so I may have time to return to full time development in the near future.

On 2/21/2025 at 10:15 PM, QuadrilateralsAreCool said:

I noticed OPX SSM Github is down, is there a problem?

I changed its name to StockRevamp and privated it for development when I thought I'd have time to actually finish StockRevamp and have it supersede SSM. The Spacedock has all the same content as the releases on the github.

On 3/2/2025 at 4:40 PM, Stargaze_000 said:

What does the Jool+ mean?? 

We added stuff to Jool. It's better now.

On 2/22/2025 at 8:09 PM, QuadrilateralsAreCool said:

Urlum Plus isn't supposed to be a dependency, they're all supposed to be independent. The icons exist in Jool Plus and I created a pull request on its Github to use these instead.

Thank you very much!

Edited March 12 by The Minmus Derp
factual error

[The Minmus Derp]

Apologies for doubleposting, but NeidonPlus finally got its Gryspar biome map, and the JoolPlus filepath issue has been fixed.

v0.7.2 and 0.5.3 of NeidonPlus and JoolPlus respectively are now available.

[Richmountain112]

If TiltEm ever gets updated to 1.12.5, will UrlumPlus make use of it and tilt Urlum (and its moons) like how Uranus is actually tilted?

Some of the moons added by UrlumPlus orbit in the opposite direction of the default moons.

[The Minmus Derp]

11 minutes ago, Richmountain112 said:

If TiltEm ever gets updated to 1.12.5, will UrlumPlus make use of it and tilt Urlum (and its moons) like how Uranus is actually tilted?

Some of the moons added by UrlumPlus orbit in the opposite direction of the default moons.

If it does, then sure, I'll get around to it. But I seriously doubt that it will, to be honest.

All of the moons except Lyxis orbit clockwise, in fact. Do everything backwards and have fun!

[Richmountain112]

28 minutes ago, The Minmus Derp said:

All of the moons except Lyxis orbit clockwise, in fact. Do everything backwards and have fun!

Err, supposed to orbit clockwise. For some reason, Wal and Tal orbit counterclockwise instead. Granted, I sent an N1-L3 complex there and landed the LK on it before installing this mod. The discarded lander also orbits counterclockwise but I don't remember if I orbited Wal clockwise or Counterclockwise when I flew it.

Edited March 12 by Richmountain112

[The Minmus Derp]

39 minutes ago, Richmountain112 said:

Err, supposed to orbit clockwise. For some reason, Wal and Tal orbit counterclockwise instead. Granted, I sent an N1-L3 complex there and landed the LK on it before installing this mod. The discarded lander also orbits counterclockwise but I don't remember if I orbited Wal clockwise or Counterclockwise when I flew it.

I just checked the files, and Wal definitely orbits the right way unless the entire file got broken by a cosmic ray burst sometime between the last successful update and now. 181º inclination.

[Richmountain112]

 

3 hours ago, The Minmus Derp said:

I just checked the files, and Wal definitely orbits the right way unless the entire file got broken by a cosmic ray burst sometime between the last successful update and now. 181º inclination.

Thanks for confirmation.

[Iapetus7342]

Nice new update! (even if minor)

Sorry if this comes off as pestering, but will there be Vcloud support? I'm worried that the OPM-VC configs won't work with OPX

[The Minmus Derp]

On 3/13/2025 at 11:38 AM, Iapetus7342 said:

Nice new update! (even if minor)

Sorry if this comes off as pestering, but will there be Vcloud support? I'm worried that the OPM-VC configs won't work with OPX

I cannot afford volumetric clouds and blackrack is unlikely to ever end his """"testing period"""" and actually release the thing, but I'm not sure why anything OPX adds would make the existing configs not work. 

[Iapetus7342]

25 minutes ago, The Minmus Derp said:

...I'm not sure why anything OPX adds would make the existing configs not work. 

Mostly the (wild) rescaling. OPX makes Sarnus larger than our earth!

[Mr. Kerbin]

1 hour ago, Iapetus7342 said:

Mostly the (wild) rescaling. OPX makes Sarnus larger than our earth!

Have you tried?

(size doesn’t quite matter here)

[Iapetus7342]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Kerbin said:

Have you tried?

(size doesn’t quite matter here)

I'll try OPX Jool and Urlum+ just in case

Straight up doesn't work

Edited March 14 by Iapetus7342

[arbsoup]

On the other hand, EVE-Redux + Astronomer's Visual Pack seem to still work on the outer planets with OPX (at least giving them clouds and aurorae from space on my rescaled install, though the aesthetics don't match what's intended in OPX). So I don't know if you installed OPMVC wrong or anything, but Redux should probably be an acceptable path forwards for this mod, I'd think — it seems robust enough to OPX's changes.

Edited March 14 by arbsoup

[Quinby Kerman]

On 7/29/2024 at 10:27 PM, theogameren said:

An Iapetus Analog is in the To Do list of sarnusplus. the name of the iapetus analog is Redda.

I think if Iapetus is added it should be called Ioptus.

[Richmountain112]

I honestly don't like how this mod changes Jool and Sarnus themselves (the added moons are fine though, except for Jool's minor outer moons which would probably be better off as a CustomAsteroids config). 

Edited March 15 by Richmountain112

[Stargaze_000]

Is there parallax continued support for all of the pack+?

Is there also for planetshine and other visual mods such as volumetrics?

[Mr. Kerbin]

On 3/13/2025 at 9:38 AM, Iapetus7342 said:

but will there be Vcloud support

 

1 minute ago, Stargaze_000 said:

volumetrics?

So not yet.

Also I assume they use a Mac via past info so no for Parallax (they also likely can’t afford it as they can’t afford VC)

 

[Stargaze_000]

Just now, Mr. Kerbin said:

 

So not yet.

Also I assume they use a Mac via past info so no for Parallax (they also likely can’t afford it as they can’t afford VC)

 

Thank you so much! 

On 3/14/2025 at 12:18 PM, The Minmus Derp said:

I cannot afford volumetric clouds and blackrack is unlikely to ever end his """"testing period"""" and actually release the thing, but I'm not sure why anything OPX adds would make the existing configs not work. 

How does the VC and normal EVE configs work?

[The Minmus Derp]

19 hours ago, Richmountain112 said:

I honestly don't like how this mod changes Jool and Sarnus themselves (the added moons are fine though, except for Jool's minor outer moons which would probably be better off as a CustomAsteroids config). 

Are you referring to the texture changes or Sarnus' resizing? I could add a toggle for the texture changes in the next update to those packs, but I felt that the original OPM textures from a decade and a half ago simply weren't up to par anymore.

As for the minor outer moons in the Jool System, good thing there's a toggle for that in the settings already. You can turn them off!

19 hours ago, Quinby Kerman said:

I think if Iapetus is added it should be called Ioptus.

We cut the Iapetus analog since that position has really always been filled by Wal. Also since when do kerbalized names just change one letter?

[Richmountain112]

16 minutes ago, The Minmus Derp said:

Are you referring to the texture changes or Sarnus' resizing? I could add a toggle for the texture changes in the next update to those packs, but I felt that the original OPM textures from a decade and a half ago simply weren't up to par anymore.

As for the minor outer moons in the Jool System, good thing there's a toggle for that in the settings already. You can turn them off!

We cut the Iapetus analog since that position has really always been filled by Wal. Also since when do kerbalized names just change one letter?

Texture changes. The resizing I don't really mind (wasn't even aware of it), but Sarnus and Jool feel less like Saturn and Jupiter respectively with the new textures. 

Less importantly, Urlum also looks more like Thatmo but I kinda find it more silly than annoying.

And thanks for telling me I can turn off the minor outer moons

Also, Iapetus orbits Saturn while Wal orbits Urlum.

Edited March 16 by Richmountain112