Why One World Governments Are Hard... Even In Certain Scifi Series..

[Spacescifi]

Having read much of the New Krypton saga (a superman comic from years ago where 100,000 of his people returned and made their own planet in our solar system), one thing that struck me was how many advantages they had that we do not. Especially for a one world government system.

1. A single language. Without it, it makes governance more complex and difficult as well as separating people into groups you have less control over and vice a versa.

2. Superpowers mean they never tire and never have to sleep, which unfortunately the government abused and had the labor caste work 24/7 literally. Which caused them to get upset becauss they missed time with their families. Nearly caused an assassination and a civil war, which Superman skillfully negotiated a way out of both. Because his aunt was the leader about to get assassinated.

3. High technology and science understanding beyond our own. Like to a ridiculous level. Enough to use it to move planets around with... without using their superpowers but only scifi tech.

 

Yet they also had internal problems (not counting enemies on Earth seeking to wipe them out, which they eventually suceeded in more or less) such as:

1. Corruption: Some high ranking officials betrayed their own kind for a chance to live lives of luxury on Earth as a favor for helping Earth wipe out their own kind. Also a few were deceived into thinking they were helping save their people when they were really helping to destroy them. Sad, but not all high ranking Kryptonians were noble or even cared about them existing as a species or a civilization. Basically imagine Superman but selfish and in it to win it for himself at the expense of ALL his people. He would not do that, but some of his people would.

2. Public discontent: Upset a group of people large enough, especially the working class and you will have problems that your government may not survive. Such as a possible civil war.

3. Disease: Despite gaving great power there was a mysterious disease effecting only the labor caste. Superman and Zod (Superman still dislikes him but Zod became his boss on New Krypton) researched it and learned it was a conspiracy brought on by a doctor who has working for Earth enemies for the reward of living in luxury on Earth after both New Krypton and Superman were destroyed. Superman and law enforcement arrested him but it was too late, plans to destroy New Krypton were already set in motion, leading to a direct war between Earth and New Krypton.

So what is the point of me reciting all this?

You can have a single language, high technology, and more or less a single culture and still have your one world government in danger of failing, and I am not even bringing in external threats as a consideration.

In real life we have NONE of that so it would be virtually impossible.

I had a conversation with a coworker who said the reason a bunch of different people in a workplace can work peacefully is because they have a common goal.

I would add that they also are subject to the same rules and are rewarded for following them equally.

So that would be how to do it with a world government, but realistically it is virtually impossible because there will always be corruption and the have nots VS the haves and they will want a place to go when they get fed up with the system.

A one world government does not allow for that, so unless you want to be putting down rebellions all the time, a multi-national world where people can choose other options rather than having only one seems to be the only viable option.

War is just a means to an end, not an end in of itself. It is by nature temporary, and is best avoided, which is why it usually is until other options are exhausted.

This thread may get locked, so please try to keep politics out of it, thank you.

 

Your thoughts?

We do not live in the best world, we live in the only one that can practically exist right now.

 

[Nuke]

you are already starting to see nationalism go on life support in favor of globalism. there is still quite abit out there, especially from the superpowers. as much as china, us, russia, etc all want to point nukes at each other they will, but at the same time thats stupid because you depend on them for trade and your own economy would collapse without it. i expect there to be considerable economic warfare, info wars and psy ops where the superpowers try to destabilize each other from the inside, and the usual proxy wars. the smaller countries may want to band together or align with one of the super powers for defense. i dont know how stable that is going forward, its certainly not the kind of thing that leads to a singular world government. but it can reduce the number of countries pretty fast.

i think a singular planetary government requires an external threat. star trek may be correct in this regard. humans seem to have a hard wired us vs them mentality that you cant shut off. without a them the us fragments to create one. best we might be able to do is a handful of super powers looking for an upper hand over the others (which may lead to total war ala 1984).

when dealing with other intelligent species you might be able to have different hard wired impulses. not everyone evolves as a predatory ape offshoot. can you imagine a world where bonobos evolved to intelligence? war might come in as second in existential threats, to epidemics of stds and unsustainable population growth.

Edited January 10 by Nuke

[Vanamonde]

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