Is it legal:

[Whirligig Girl]

Trying to get old versions of KSP after the Demo. I'm looking for KSP 0.14, .15, .16, and .17. Is it legal? After all, those were paid versions, but they are still old. Is there any way to prove to Squad that I own the game legally, so they can perhaps e-mail me an old version if they own it?

[OtherDalfite]

Not really sure. If you were to download from somewhere else, it wouldn't, as that would be piracy, but the developers plan to allow downloading past copies some time in the future.

[Cooly568]

I'm not sure, I really don't know on this one.

[Capt'n Skunky]

Currently there is no legal method by which you can obtain older paid versions. However, there are plans to release old versions in some form after release, maybe in some special bundle collectors edition. For now, we don't have exact plans other than yes, we want to give you the ability to get those versions in the future.

Cheers!

Capt'n Skunky

KSP Community Manager

[Whirligig Girl]

I think they should just put all past downloads on a link in the KSP store, so you have to have bought the game, but you still have access to nostalgia.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Cap'n Skunky. Thank you for your response Skunky.

[Ford_Prefect]

That's why I keep copies of all old versions

[Merinsan]

Trying to get old versions of KSP after the Demo. I'm looking for KSP 0.14, .15, .16, and .17. Is it legal? After all, those were paid versions, but they are still old. Is there any way to prove to Squad that I own the game legally, so they can perhaps e-mail me an old version if they own it?

Actually, you do not legally own the game - Squad does. You have only purchased the right to play the game. I can't find any licensing information in the install folder, so I can't say anything definitive. Generally speaking, a company wont be bothered by someone playing an old version (if they paid for it), but if you have problems they wont support you either.

Also Squad is under no legal obligation to provide older versions of the game. You purchased the right to play the game, in whatever form it is, not in multiple forms. Currently that form is 0.20.2, and that is all Squad has to provide to you.

[Pontiac]

I'd like to dissect that...

You purchased the right to play the game, in whatever form it is, not in multiple forms.

That'd entirely depend on the wording in the licensing, and whether or not I already possess a previous version. I haven't read the EULA (Who has?) but just by effect, Squad has posted a link to 0.19.x right in their store. So I would say, by example of their lead, that that I've been given the right to play both 19 and 20, which (doesn't necessarily mean) that once Squad provides it on the store, and permits me to download it, then I'm justified in playing it. PREVIOUS versions to what is on the store, however, are not legally accessible, so unless I've already downloaded and installed it, and archived it somewhere for my own personal use, then no, I'm not entitled to it. Basically, if Squad has not ever, or, does not currently give it to you directly, you're not entitled.

I also don't recall any mention on how many computers I can install and run it on. Literally, I have 6 computers in my household, 5 of which I own (One is my wifes, three of which the game is installed on) all that have the gonads play KSP. Does the license indicate that I can play on only one machine at a time, or, does it mean that I can only play on any machine I can access (Which opens me up to 2 more computers), or does it mean I can only play on any machine I gain access to at one time only, or does it mean that I can only play multiple versions of one game at one time on one computer? If its stipulated somewhere, great. If not, I'd say its open to interpretation, but then again, IANAL.

Currently that form is 0.20.2, and that is all Squad has to provide to you.

Left of the comma, not true. Right side, true. For the left part, 0.19 is available on the store.

But my next question is for the users who have transferred or purchased the Steam version. Inherently, I don't think Steam will allow you to go back in time to a previous version, so I wonder how these people would be affected?

[MR4Y]

I'd like to dissect that...

That'd entirely depend on the wording in the licensing, and whether or not I already possess a previous version. I haven't read the EULA (Who has?) but just by effect, Squad has posted a link to 0.19.x right in their store. So I would say, by example of their lead, that that I've been given the right to play both 19 and 20, which (doesn't necessarily mean) that once Squad provides it on the store, and permits me to download it, then I'm justified in playing it. PREVIOUS versions to what is on the store, however, are not legally accessible, so unless I've already downloaded and installed it, and archived it somewhere for my own personal use, then no, I'm not entitled to it. Basically, if Squad has not ever, or, does not currently give it to you directly, you're not entitled.

I also don't recall any mention on how many computers I can install and run it on. Literally, I have 6 computers in my household, 5 of which I own (One is my wifes, three of which the game is installed on) all that have the gonads play KSP. Does the license indicate that I can play on only one machine at a time, or, does it mean that I can only play on any machine I can access (Which opens me up to 2 more computers), or does it mean I can only play on any machine I gain access to at one time only, or does it mean that I can only play multiple versions of one game at one time on one computer? If its stipulated somewhere, great. If not, I'd say its open to interpretation, but then again, IANAL.

Left of the comma, not true. Right side, true. For the left part, 0.19 is available on the store.

But my next question is for the users who have transferred or purchased the Steam version. Inherently, I don't think Steam will allow you to go back in time to a previous version, so I wonder how these people would be affected?

I looked around and couldn't find anything around it. Technically this wouldn't be illegal, since SQUAD is not supporting those versions anymore?

As for version 0.19, I'm not too fond of losing 0.20 just to go back to 0.19 on Steam. Couldn't we have both?

[Pontiac]

Currently there is no legal method by which you can obtain older paid versions. However' date=' there are plans to release old versions in some form after release, maybe in some special bundle collectors edition. For now, we don't have exact plans other than yes, we want to give you the ability to get those versions in the future.

Cheers!

[b']Capt'n Skunky

KSP Community Manager

Another question about this Capt'n;

I purchased 0.19.x when it was available. If Squad end up releasing 18.x and earlier, am I going to have access to the versions, or am I going to get locked into having access to 19+? (I've already got every version archived on my Drobo, so your bandwidth is safe. )

[Fel]

I looked around and couldn't find anything around it. Technically this wouldn't be illegal, since SQUAD is not supporting those versions anymore?

As for version 0.19, I'm not too fond of losing 0.20 just to go back to 0.19 on Steam. Couldn't we have both?

Oh for Christ's sake.

"Microsoft isn't supporting windows XP anymore; hence I can download it for free."

Abandonware... is... piracy. -__-;

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It is hard finding "You cannot pirate our software"; effectively this is saying that for each release of KSP, the copyrights (including material that squad does not own) are maintained, and that the EULA does not grant you further rights to any "content" (most likely pertaining to material Squad does not own, but might be applicable to the case in hand).

I also don't recall any mention on how many computers I can install and run it on. Literally, I have 6 computers in my household, 5 of which I own (One is my wifes, three of which the game is installed on) all that have the gonads play KSP. Does the license indicate that I can play on only one machine at a time, or, does it mean that I can only play on any machine I can access (Which opens me up to 2 more computers), or does it mean I can only play on any machine I gain access to at one time only, or does it mean that I can only play multiple versions of one game at one time on one computer? If its stipulated somewhere, great. If not, I'd say its open to interpretation, but then again, IANAL.

It doesn't specify... but Capt'n Skunky got mad at someone asking how to bypass Steam's "One Computer" rule so his kids could play while he was. (SQUAD's EULA is... lacking)

[nats]

Abandonware... is... piracy. -__-;

Only if a current legal entity still holds the rights to the abandoned software.

[jwenting]

Only if a current legal entity still holds the rights to the abandoned software.

last I checked that's true for both XP and KSP...

[Charzy]

Abandonware may be piracy, but it's not like the developer would have gotten the money anyways since abandon ware means that it's not being sold anymore.

And, of course, generally it also means the developer doesn't exist anymore.

[haltux]

Abandonware... is... piracy. -__-;

Seriously?

OK, let's check Wikipedia.

Piracy: "Piracy is typically an act of robbery or criminal violence at sea"

Abandonware: "Abandonware is a product, typically a software, ignored by its owner and manufacturer, and for which no product support is available".

No match, sorry.

[Astronomer]

Who cares if it's "legal?" If you purchased the game, who gives a flying Jeb?

[sal_vager]

Guys, you paid for a game in development, so you'll get KSP at whatever stage of development it is at when you download/update it.

Currently, only 0.18.3 (the current demo), 0.13.3 (the old demo) and older versions are free to download, this may change but don't expect anything official from Squad yet as it's pretty low priority what with the actual making of KSP coming first.

As Skunky said, Squad are thinking of making all the other versions available later, no plans have been drawn up though (see above) so all the versions between 0.13.3 and the current release, barring the 0.18.3 demo are not free to download at this time.

There's no argument or discussion to be had here, that's how things are, and they like all things are subject to change when Squad get around to it

Closing this as it's purpose is served.