Eggman360 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 i do and its really helpfull if mod authers put things like this and version numbers in thread title..my 2cMe too as I really just skim read the titles and if it doesn't say it's comparable with the latest build I tend to ignore them unless the mod has been recommended to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkut Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 Unless it doesn't specifically says 0.23.5 in the title, I always assume a couple of things: 1. It doesn't work2. I give it a shot to see if it does work. If it does, I win. If it doesn't I wait patiently for the developer to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZodiusInfuser Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I noticed something funny, I watched Scott Manley's latest video and he was showing some of the 23.5 features. Then he goes to continue his mission, has to click on the "IR" button and it works! His hinge worked perfectly. What the what? I asked him about it but haven't gotten anything back yet. That hinge is the only piece I need right now :S The interesting thing about this video is his suggestion for a robotic strut of sorts: "It would be really nice infernal robotics guys if you could have some sort of strut that I could disable when I need to start moving things.". I queried him about this, as Quantum Struts kind of does this, but I don't think they quite do what he suggests. I guess it's more a one time use strut that you can explode the bolts on (via action group), rather than being a togglable line-of-sight thing. Any other modders willing to explore this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenRS11 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Ill be honest, I have given up now ;-;As far as I can tell, the old method of modifying the old joint is simply no longer possible- the new joints are constructed differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordlundar Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 The interesting thing about this video is his suggestion for a robotic strut of sorts: "It would be really nice infernal robotics guys if you could have some sort of strut that I could disable when I need to start moving things.". I queried him about this, as Quantum Struts kind of does this, but I don't think they quite do what he suggests. I guess it's more a one time use strut that you can explode the bolts on (via action group), rather than being a togglable line-of-sight thing. Any other modders willing to explore this? I saw that comment and the reply. It's not a case that Quantum struts does it or not, it's that he would like something like that in infernal robotics itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudgetHedgehog Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Ill be honest, I have given up now ;-;As far as I can tell, the old method of modifying the old joint is simply no longer possible- the new joints are constructed differently.Nooo... would beer help at all? I'd buy you some beer if so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baked Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 The interesting thing about this video is his suggestion for a robotic strut of sorts: "It would be really nice infernal robotics guys if you could have some sort of strut that I could disable when I need to start moving things.". I queried him about this, as Quantum Struts kind of does this, but I don't think they quite do what he suggests. I guess it's more a one time use strut that you can explode the bolts on (via action group), rather than being a togglable line-of-sight thing. Any other modders willing to explore this? What he wants is toggle-able struts. so you can turn them on when docked and turn them off for undocking/moving parts like hinges/arms. Already struts will disconnect when you undock with KAS struts. I use them quite often to strengthen my Interplanetary ships after docking the lander to the drive section) and they will dissconnect along with the docking port when you undock. You have to grab them again (in EVA) to place them again when you redock. But for Scott he wanted to hold something rigidly in place while flying then toggle the struts off so he can extend/move the robotics still attached to the ship.I wonder if he could GRAB struts placed in the VAB to 'disconnect' them from IR parts so they can move while in EVA with KAS? It would require manual connect/disconnect but it would get the job done if it works. Never tried to Grab struts that I placed in the VAB, only grabbed struts I placed from a box onto the ship while in EVA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I ran into the need for strut reinforcement when launchinig Solar Microwave Generator Sats using KSPI. I wound up using linear decouplers (four or so) as attachment points for multiple struts, which made the folded array (made of quite a few cubic octagonal struts, telescopic pistons, and 90 degree hinges) rigid enough to launch, and cut loose completely allowing deployment of the arm (twenty-one Gigantors per arm). These arms aren't deployable when not in freefall. A 1g field causes them to bend quite a bit, and seperate in odd ways. Even trying to reorient the sat with the arms deployed takes quite a bit of time, and the arms still bend quite a bit. With the struts done the way they are, they can't be deployed... but they're solid as a rock.I've thought about using KAS struts for reinforcing unfolding structures, but usually the part count is already high enough that I think the struts aren't going to be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galane Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 On my two Eve rover/landers, I have things all braced up with quantum struts. They're mounted to the fuel tanks and engines so when I jettison all that the struts go away with them.Quantum struts and strut guns will auto disconnect and connect if their LOS intersects a docking ship, but you never want them intersecting zero mass parts. What they won't do is disconnect when bridging docking ports assembled in VAB or SPH. Try to undock and they'll hold until turned off, so any of them you place that way you'll want to action group.If used to bridge decouplers during assembly, they'll disconnect when the decouplers are triggered.I'm holding off on .23.5 until IR, KJR and other mods get fully sorted out. Having visions of grabbing asteroids and dropping them on KSC. Would be nice to be able to inflict damage, if only temporary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbrae Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Done but no one reads them anyway.A few of us do, thank you for saving me the time looking though the forums to see if it worked.... (ignore my looking any way for any other news) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK3424 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I'm holding off on .23.5 until IR, KJR and other mods get fully sorted out. Having visions of grabbing asteroids and dropping them on KSC. Would be nice to be able to inflict damage, if only temporary!Kerbal Joint Reinforcement is already fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZodiusInfuser Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I saw that comment and the reply. It's not a case that Quantum struts does it or not, it's that he would like something like that in infernal robotics itself.Now this is where the vagueness of his message and reply confused me. I couldn't tell if he was genuinely wanting a new mechanic that no-one has made before, or wanted an existing one in the same download as IR.What he wants is toggle-able struts. so you can turn them on when docked and turn them off for undocking/moving parts like hinges/arms. Already struts will disconnect when you undock with KAS struts. I use them quite often to strengthen my Interplanetary ships after docking the lander to the drive section) and they will dissconnect along with the docking port when you undock. You have to grab them again (in EVA) to place them again when you redock. But for Scott he wanted to hold something rigidly in place while flying then toggle the struts off so he can extend/move the robotics still attached to the ship.See I got the impression he was after a one-time-use thing that you would add in the VAB/SPH like a normal strut, but be able to break on command. More advanced functionality is available with the KAS struts as you say. Alternatively (or as well) we could create an IR themed quantum strut, since they supposably still work in 0.23.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudgetHedgehog Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 They certainly do still work, thanks to K3 and todicus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LORDPrometheus Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Sirkut what about getting in touch with Ferram4 since IR worked fine with KJR and the joint updates are based on its code (ferram actually helped the devs code it) he could probably tell you where the issue is in an instant or better yet help you make a fix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkut Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Sirkut what about getting in touch with Ferram4 since IR worked fine with KJR and the joint updates are based on its code (ferram actually helped the devs code it) he could probably tell you where the issue is in an instant or better yet help you make a fix!The reason it worked fine with KJR is he merely added an ignore statement that looked the other way when there was a part that contained an infernal robotics joint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkut Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Just a little update. I'm getting some progress so hopefully I'll have this resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstar Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Just a little update. I'm getting some progress so hopefully I'll have this resolved.That's great news, we all know you can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipeo Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Good to hear! I've got it about half rewritten and refactored to current KSP standards. It's been a fun exercise, bit I look forward to seeing it fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecat Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Just a little update. I'm getting some progress so hopefully I'll have this resolved.Good luck and best wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaDealer Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Just a little update. I'm getting some progress so hopefully I'll have this resolved.Good to hear! The construction of my ISS replica-ish "Horizont" Station has been put on hold due to IR keeling over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLeo Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Im close to uninstalling IR unless i can figure out why nothing works...i can build with all the parts and set key bindings but on the launchpad nothing moves or even reacts to the commands weather im useing the window or the regular KSP number bindings all the possibilities and nothing works.Did you read that lil' piece of text called thread title? It says "broken in 0.23.5". Have some patience and the mod will be fixed. Just a little update. I'm getting some progress so hopefully I'll have this resolved.YAY! When its done, will name my first creation with IR in 23.5 after you, Sirkut. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedInvader Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Im close to uninstalling IR unless i can figure out why nothing works...i can build with all the parts and set key bindings but on the launchpad nothing moves or even reacts to the commands weather im useing the window or the regular KSP number bindings all the possibilities and nothing works.Perhaps you should read the thread a little before delivering an ultimatum to the developer of a great mod... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadweasel Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Perhaps you should read the thread a little before delivering an ultimatum to the developer of a great mod...I don't see an ultimatum, so much as somebody willing to walk away and deprive themselves of something pretty cool because they're too proud to ask for help directly, or to put forth any effort into going back over what others have already helped bring to light on the exact same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedInvader Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I don't see an ultimatum, so much as somebody willing to walk away and deprive themselves of something pretty cool because they're too proud to ask for help directly, or to put forth any effort into going back over what others have already helped bring to light on the exact same situation.I read it as "fix it for me or I'm out of here", but either way, reading a few pages of posts and having a little appreciation go a long way here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkut Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Im close to uninstalling IR unless i can figure out why nothing works...i can build with all the parts and set key bindings but on the launchpad nothing moves or even reacts to the commands weather im useing the window or the regular KSP number bindings all the possibilities and nothing works.If you are using 0.23.5 it is BROKEN. uinstall until I have the time to fix it. i have a few people offering to help which is quite helpful. If you are using an older version i can't help you right now because I have to fix 0.23.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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