Bond Aerotech and Sundries [v0.4.3.1 31st March 2014]

blackheart612 · March 7, 2014

Yeah well, I'll look at the license and see if I can rip off a non-KSPI version. (That's actually impossible I think lol)

Helix935 · March 7, 2014

O.O
if it wasn't in KSPI i'd download it. i love the look of these engines

i know right, once tried to get them to work with KSPI but it would not work no matter what i try ;.;

NoMrBond · March 7, 2014

Fixed a few model issues, reduced triangle count by ~28%, broke the texture again (/facepalm), but otherwise

Sort of happy with it, going to make a v2 a bit later with proper interlocking thrust petals now that I'm comfortable with the basics

Going to make a short detour through command seat (again) and wheel territory (new stuff!) first though

NoMrBond · March 10, 2014

Slight roadblock

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Not sure what's failing between Unity and KSP, I'm assuming some origin or rotation is messed up locally/globally for the suspension/actuation elements (maybe it's the FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX?)

Neither is the transparent texture coming through transparent /headscratch

Edited March 10, 2014 by NoMrBond

stubbles · March 10, 2014

http://i.imgur.com/KWF8Tdb.gif

That is all kinds of badass.

NoMrBond · March 10, 2014

That is all kinds of badass.

Thanks Stubbles! It's great having all these amazing modders such as yourself involved in the community

I can look at all the great stuff and be inspired

NoMrBond · March 10, 2014

Well it's getting there

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But the FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX stops working as soon as it goes outside so more to do there

[Edit] Look/constrain now working indoors and outdoors

Now to see if I can get it to do what I want otherwise... (and fix the glass which seems to have gone out of alignment?)

Edited March 10, 2014 by NoMrBond

NoMrBond · March 10, 2014

[Edit2] The next bit means figuring out how to make wheels, that's... not going so well

Is there more wheel building information anywhere, like a YouTube video or wheel making tutorial, all I have seen is the picture C7 posted

Which leaves a lot unanswered, which are meshes, which are colliders (and of what types), which are gameObjects, which object names are mutable?

If we pair it up with the Wheel1 part.cfg and the information in the pic we get

roverWheel1							[Parent gameObject?]
	Bounds							[Box(?) collider]
	roverWheelBig						[Mesh? gameObject?]
		base						[Mesh? gameObject?]
[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]			susp1-2					[Fixed end of FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX part]
			susp2-2					[Fixed end of FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX part]
			susp3-2					[Fixed end of FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX part][/COLOR]
		suspensionNeutralPoint				[gameObject? is that a box-collider on it which specifies travel distance?]
			steering				[Called in FXModuleConstrainPosition, is a gameObject? Orientation?]
				wheelCollider			[collider for the wheel: Layer 27 - WheelColliders]
		suspensionTraverse				[gameObject? does orientation specify direction? is travel limiting collider here?]
			bracket					[is this a mesh or collider? does this limit travel? box collider working as a bounding box?]
[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]			susp1-1					[Floating end of FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX part]
				susp3-1				[Floating end of FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX part]
			susp2-1					[Floating end of FXModuleLookAtConstraint/CONSTRAINLOOKFX part][/COLOR]
			trackSteering				[Called in FXModuleConstrainPosition, is a gameObject? Orientation?]
[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]				bustedwheel			[gameObject parent for broken wheel components]
					bustedwheel		[mesh for broken wheel]
					collisionEnhancer	[collider for broken wheel][/COLOR]
					Object01		[Uhh?]
			wheelMount				[The mesh for the wheel hub that doesn't spin?]
				wheel				[The mesh for the wheel part that spins?]
					collisionEnhancer	[Sphere (?) collider for the spinning/turning wheel: Layer 26 - WheelCollidersIgnore]

On arguments;

WHEEL; wheelName = wheel

WHEEL; wheelColliderName = wheelCollider

WHEEL; suspensionTransformName = suspensionTraverse

WHEEL; suspensionNeutralPointName = suspensionNeutralPoint

WHEEL; damagedObjectName = bustedwheel

MODULE{FXModuleConstrainPosition}; targetName = steering

MODULE{FXModuleConstrainPosition}; moversName = trackSteering

So your mount is 'base' with attached suspension elements and the moving wheel parts are a children of suspensionTraverse, but the steering (object?) and wheelCollider are part of suspensionNeutralPoint even though the wheel mesh itself is part of suspensionTraverse? How tolerant is the MODULE{ModuleWheel} to the Unity hierarchy?

Edited March 10, 2014 by NoMrBond

NoMrBond · March 12, 2014

Mechanically done, just need to figure out the correct steeringCurve arguments

Can only seem to find what the first two numbers of it do though, so more experimenting tomorrow I guess, hopefully one of them controls how fast the wheel pivots as the instant switch looks goofy

[Edit] Hrm, need to be able to hide some GUI elements too

Edited March 12, 2014 by NoMrBond

AntiMatter001 · March 12, 2014

Fixed a few model issues, reduced triangle count by ~28%, broke the texture again (/facepalm), but otherwise
http://i.imgur.com/KWF8Tdb.gif
Sort of happy with it, going to make a v2 a bit later with proper interlocking thrust petals now that I'm comfortable with the basics
Going to make a short detour through command seat (again) and wheel territory (new stuff!) first though

since i'm only using the Mace Engines can i get that update :'(

NoMrBond · March 12, 2014

since i'm only using the Mace Engines can i get that update :'(

Oh sure, I've been spending all my spare time trying to get this steering tracking bit working and totally forgot. I'll roll it up at lunchtime.

AntiMatter001 · March 12, 2014

Oh sure, I've been spending all my spare time trying to get this steering tracking bit working and totally forgot. I'll roll it up at lunchtime.

*jaw drops* WOOT i made you remember!

NoMrBond · March 13, 2014

*jaw drops* WOOT i made you remember!

Oops sorry, this was done (it's updated) but I forgot to post because my family randomly turned up, since they live ~600km away this was a bit of a surprise.

NoMrBond · March 14, 2014

So all the bits now work and it tracks where you're steering

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Now it just needs to look better and not have a potato texture, find a way to hide a couple of unwanted GUI options, and regulate how quickly it pans

Boamere · March 17, 2014

Can I advise making a seperate download for the engines (and any more engine related updates)?

Because the cargo bay thingys take up a lot of space (and i don't find them very useful ;( sorry)

likke_A_boss · March 17, 2014

Can I advise making a seperate download for the engines (and any more engine related updates)?Because the cargo bay thingys take up a lot of space (and i don't find them very useful ;( sorry)

Yeah, I can 2nd this.

NoMrBond · March 18, 2014

M'kay, as soon as I have the vectoring working on the m0625, the texture fixed on the m125 and the m250 done I'll put up a separate MACE pack as well as the total package

Or sooner with just the finished m0625/m125 if I get those finished before the 250 is ready

jfull · March 18, 2014

So all the bits now work and it tracks where you're steering

Oh my gosh its perfect

This is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect Kerbals to put on their rovers

NoMrBond · March 18, 2014

Oh my gosh its perfect
This is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect Kerbals to put on their rovers

I really need to finish that, I was intending it as a gift for that RoverScience project since they were using one of the stock Science parts as a stand in for their 'Rover Brain' part

jfull · March 18, 2014

I really need to finish that, I was intending it as a gift for that RoverScience project since they were using one of the stock Science parts as a stand in for their 'Rover Brain' part

It might also be neat to see it as a standalone, just as an aesthetic part to add some character to rover designs.

NoMrBond · March 18, 2014

It might also be neat to see it as a standalone, just as an aesthetic part to add some character to rover designs.

Oh sure, it's in the latest parts pack I think, it just says some funny things if you click on it because of some, err, module{} abuse to get it doing what I wanted

NoMrBond · March 31, 2014

Minor update implementing the mesh fixes from the SI25-4 to the 3x and 2x variants

The RRAM (camera) and SADDLE (materials bay) parts aren't finished, other minor UV and texture fixes I can't remember (walkway texture fixes I think?).

[Edit] Really need to revise the UV's for the bays and do their textures, they've been stuck on flat gray for a longgg time, any ideas / preferences? (the texture itself would be editable .png in any case)

Edited March 31, 2014 by NoMrBond

NathanKell · May 17, 2014

I'm really loving the animated nozzle on the MACE. I'm using it as a jet (a J93 in this case) since it's the only variable-geometry nozzle engine for KSP of which I'm aware.

So, request time: would you consider making some variable-geometry nozzle jet engines?

Say, the Avon, or the J79, or the J57, or the F100, or whatever floats your boat.

J93 in use:

NoMrBond · May 17, 2014

Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying it, I really need to get on the revision I had planned for the M.A.C.E.'s too, full petal circumference for the small one instead of just the partial cover x6, and fully articulating all the petals instead of as a big group (or maybe in subsets, the eurofighter EJ200 engine pushes groups of 6 petals I think), as well as changing the animation to pinch in during throttle up (to ~66% throttle?), then flex out all the way during 'afterburner' (66-100% throttle).

I'll have a look at the engines you've mentioned

I was thinking about the plausibility of a 2.5m sized jet, and then remembered the A380 which just has four of those huge RR-Trent 900's, so yeah, no problemo

NathanKell · May 18, 2014

Yes, pinching at 66% would be great. (I use AJE, in case that wasn't obvious). I'd say, make whatever jets seem good to you; most all 60s jet nozzles are going to look alike or at most need a repaint, so if you make like 3-4 visually distinct ones, should be able to cover almost all jet age engines....

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