[1.12.*] Deadly Reentry v7.9.0 The Barbie Edition, Aug 5th, 2021

[4x4cheesecake]

Sounds good to me

I'll see what I can do on the weekend

[olegst90]

What are the most realistic settings for RSS+RO+RP1? Should I tweak it manually or does it recognize these mods and fix values accordingly?

Edited December 4, 2022 by olegst90
Grammar error

[Starwaster]

On 12/4/2022 at 1:27 PM, olegst90 said:

What are the most realistic settings for RSS+RO+RP1? Should I tweak it manually or does it recognize these mods and fix values accordingly?

handled by RO

[Scandinavian]

Current version interacts poorly with MakingHistory. Below patch should fix the heat shields on the Vostok pods and the added 63 cm and 185 cm heat shields:

@PART[kv1Pod|kv2Pod|kv3Pod]:FOR[DeadlyReentry]
{
	%maxTemp = 850
	%skinMaxTemp = 2700
	%skinInternalConductionMult = 0.0001
	%emissiveConstant = 0.85

	@MODULE[ModuleAblator]
	{
		@name = ModuleHeatShield
		%lossExp = -7500
		%lossConst = 1.6
		%pyrolysisLossFactor = 6000
		%reentryConductivity = 0.001
		%ablationTempThresh = 500
		%depletedMaxTemp = 1200
		%charMin = 1
		%charMax = 1
		%charAlpha = 1
		%useNode = true
		%nodeName = bottom
	}
}

@PART[HeatShield0|HeatShield1p5]:FOR[DeadlyReentry]
{
	%leaveTemp = true
	@MODULE[ModuleAblator]
	{
		@name = ModuleHeatShield
		@reentryConductivity = 0.001
		@lossConst = 1
		@pyrolysisLossFactor = 6000
		depletedMaxTemp = 1200
	}
}

It works on my own (heavily modded) game, but I have not tested on a clean install.

If you want the Vostoks to survive an insertion from low orbit to an Earth-sized Kerbin purely on their own heat shield, you'll also need to up their ablator volume to at least 60.

[olegst90]

On 12/5/2022 at 11:01 PM, Starwaster said:

handled by RO

I'm using RSS + RO + RP1 and all default settings, my chutes always burn up even when returning from a LEO like 200 km with 0 km periapsis facing perfectly retrograde, I'm afraid it wasn't properly handled, do I need to reinstall it or maybe delete some configs? I installed DeadlyReentry after RSS/RO/RP

ps I've tried higher periapsis around 60km, but it didn't help

Edited December 11, 2022 by olegst90

[New Horizons]

Is this mod still needed for Real Solar System?

[Starwaster]

On 12/11/2022 at 10:17 AM, olegst90 said:

I'm using RSS + RO + RP1 and all default settings, my chutes always burn up even when returning from a LEO like 200 km with 0 km periapsis facing perfectly retrograde, I'm afraid it wasn't properly handled, do I need to reinstall it or maybe delete some configs? I installed DeadlyReentry after RSS/RO/RP

ps I've tried higher periapsis around 60km, but it didn't help

Please clarify: is the chute part itself being destroyed? If it’s just the chute failing after deployment then you’re deploying too early

16 hours ago, New Horizons said:

Is this mod still needed for Real Solar System?

Yes. 
If there’s an official response to your query in the RO thread, obviously go with that. I don’t know what that means either that they pulled it out of the required or recommended list either. 
 

I’ve been out of touch with any of the RO guys for over a year. Supposedly they’ve tried to contact me several times in that period but they haven’t. 

Edited December 29, 2022 by Starwaster

[Starwaster]

Yay I have computer again!

[Kitty Strafe]

what do i need to do to get this to work with deadly reentry? 

[Starwaster]

On 1/31/2023 at 10:05 PM, Kitty Strafe said:

what do i need to do to get this to work with deadly reentry? 

Unzip everything into the GameData folder.

[xelapis]

Hey i have a strange problem. I run a heavily modded game version on 1.12.2. When i install deadly reentry the 1.25m stock heat shield does not use ablator upon reentry. But all the other heatshield sizes do. In the part information ist says "Loss at 2000K 0.1 units/sec". The heat shields added by deadly reentry all dont work. Their part info says "Loss at 2000K 0.00 units/s". The description for the other heatshields seems correct though. I dont have any of the dlcs and I'm a little confused why only the 1.25m stock and the deadly reentry heatshields are affected but not the other ones. Did anyone maybe had the same problem and know how to fix it. Below is the list of mods i use.

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[Starwaster]

@xelapis

just having a list of your mods won't be enough. I need your ksp.log file from the main game folder and your ModuleManager.ConfigCache file from the GameData folder.

Edited March 5, 2023 by Starwaster

[xelapis]

Ok I didnt know that. Here are the files https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/10zj4oopvwvzjn13gwc5y/h?dl=0&rlkey=tgpxninhsgnw7w948e4on44t7 

 

 

[CanOmer]

I like the built-in heatshield of this mod but my spaceplanes keep exploding in atmosphere even with radiators. Is there guide for spaceplanes using deadly reentry mod?

Edited October 11, 2023 by CanOmer

[Starwaster]

4 hours ago, CanOmer said:

I like the built-in heatshield of this mod but my spaceplanes keep exploding in atmosphere even with radiators. Is there guide for spaceplanes using deadly reentry mod?

Sorry, there isn’t a guide. Are you sure you have the upgrade for spaceplanes? (If in sandbox, you also have to enable the option to apply upgrades since there is no research of tech)

[CanOmer]

1 hour ago, Starwaster said:

Sorry, there isn’t a guide. Are you sure you have the upgrade for spaceplanes? (If in sandbox, you also have to enable the option to apply upgrades since there is no research of tech)

Which upgrade? I couldn't find it. I play career mode.

[JadeOfMaar]

43 minutes ago, CanOmer said:

my spaceplanes keep exploding in atmosphere even with radiators.

No radiator can be used to deal with reentry heat, for at least 2 reasons: Thermodynamics says hell no, and radiators have a weird and stupid behavior in KSP. They become useless specifically in thin atmosphere.

2 hours ago, CanOmer said:

Which upgrade? I couldn't find it. I play career mode.

Starwater means it's a difficulty option that you (might only) have access to at the moment of save creation. If you have enough understanding, you can edit the save file and turn it on if it doesn't appear in the difficulty settings at the KSC view.

[Starwaster]

On 10/11/2023 at 5:55 PM, JadeOfMaar said:

No radiator can be used to deal with reentry heat, for at least 2 reasons: Thermodynamics says hell no, and radiators have a weird and stupid behavior in KSP. They become useless specifically in thin atmosphere.

Starwater means it's a difficulty option that you (might only) have access to at the moment of save creation. If you have enough understanding, you can edit the save file and turn it on if it doesn't appear in the difficulty settings at the KSC view.

No, you just go into settings while you have a sandbox game loaded up and change the option for upgrades in sandbox. I forget its exact wording but it's easily done without having to edit any files. Doesn't matter though: Irrelevant because he's using career mode.

As for the radiator... not sure what you're talking about with thin atmospheres. Although any radiator whether in KSP or IRL will be less effective when you lose convection as a means of cooling the radiator. That's normal and to be expected. But that's not what's going on with KSP radiators.  ModuleActiveRadiator only cools a part when that part's temperature is higher than the external temperature.  So no matter how hot the part is, it cannot move heat into the radiator until it gets hotter than the reentry shockwave. (totally unrealistic solution to radiators originally being overpowered during reentries. Fixed in my mod Real Active Radiators)

On 10/11/2023 at 3:25 PM, CanOmer said:

Which upgrade? I couldn't find it. I play career mode.

It's under Hypersonic flight, it's named Ceramic Tile

[JadeOfMaar]

4 hours ago, Starwaster said:

when that part's temperature is higher than the external temperature -snip- until it gets hotter than the reentry shockwave

I see. That's... not quite right, and now it makes me want to ask questions, some of which are hopefully solved by my knowledge of how System Heat works.

4 hours ago, Starwaster said:

not sure what you're talking about with thin atmospheres.

It's the behavior where, assuming you have a vessel ascending into space and you turn on the radiator while in thin air, it doesn't do anything, but once you cross the atmosphere edge, then it starts cooling and starts glowing brightly, like it was waiting to reach the vacuum. Similarly, if you turn on the radiator while descending, it waits until an apparent ambient pressure threshold is reached (for the glow, at least).

[Starwaster]

15 hours ago, JadeOfMaar said:

It's the behavior where, assuming you have a vessel ascending into space and you turn on the radiator while in thin air, it doesn't do anything, but once you cross the atmosphere edge, then it starts cooling and starts glowing brightly, like it was waiting to reach the vacuum. Similarly, if you turn on the radiator while descending, it waits until an apparent ambient pressure threshold is reached (for the glow, at least).

It’s got nothing to do with atmospheric pressure. It’s what I said earlier, it’s the external temperature that’s in play in the scenario you’re describing. The radiator module code simply will not move heat out of a part if that part’s temperature is lower than the external temperature. And above supersonic, external temperature (kelvin) is roughly equivalent to velocity in meters per second. (That’s a rough estimate and in stock, convective heating is boosted to make reentry more challenging)

the reason why the radiator suddenly starts working when you cross into space is external temperature changed to 4K so now the part temps are higher than external and the radiator will cool them. 
 

again, I have a mod that fixes that behavior and introduces realistic power consumption when heat has to be moved from a part cooler than the radiator.

[CanOmer]

On 10/21/2023 at 10:24 PM, Starwaster said:

It's under Hypersonic flight, it's named Ceramic Tile

Thanks, I didn't unlock that tech yet. So, will this tech improve heat resistance for wing parts, fuel tank parts..etc?

Edited October 23, 2023 by CanOmer

[Starwaster]

12 hours ago, CanOmer said:

Thanks, I didn't unlock that tech yet. So, will this tech improve heat resistance for wing parts, fuel tank parts..etc?

Depends on where the parts originally unlocked.  If they unlock in Hypersonic they're already configured as having tiles. Certain other spaceplane/shuttle  parts from 3rd party mods get the tile treatment as soon as they unlock. (Mk4, KSO, OPT, etc)

[Bizobinator]

How well does this mod play with Kerbalism?

[Starwaster]

5 hours ago, Bizobinator said:

How well does this mod play with Kerbalism?

I'm not aware of any specific issues with Kerbalism. I don't use Kerbalism myself though and have not tested it with Deadly Reentry.

[Iso-Polaris]

The ablative barely being consumed on a ~3000m/s reentry when DRE is installed, is it suppose to happen ?

I have a sigma dimension rescaled (3.7x) system, should there's be special config for this kind of system size ?

 

Edited January 8 by Iso-Polaris