Rocket SLed Launch to LKO

[Mic_n]

THAT IS WHY IT IS A CHALLENGE! Did you not listen to Xeldrak and Markus explaining how this is a challenge, and the fact you need a rocket sled is to see if you can do it? Without the sled part, the challenge would become 'who has the best computer to carry 1000000tons into LKO' challenge, which would not be a challenge unless you have no idea how you fly a ship.

I see nothing in Xeldrak or Markus' posts about "how this is a challenge", and I actually quoted Markus in explaining why it's broken. The only 'challenge' in the challenge is in something that is useless.

You don't seem to be getting the issue:

Your 'challenge' is about a rocket sled.

The way you appear to want the challenge done, the rocket sled is utterly pointless.

That's the problem.

If I have the inclination, I'll knock something up to demonstrate later on.

Again, to be perfectly clear: this is not intended as an attack, and I like your idea.. I just think it's a bit flawed

[HazelPine]

The challenge is to get a rocket to LKO by starting from a sled, the tough part of the challenge is getting vertical and going to LKO with wasted Delta-v from the pulling up to vertical.

[Deathsoul097]

Mic. You quoted an example that he was using. That example had nothing to do with the challenge itself. If you had relpaced the first pic with a banana and the second with an assault rifle, it would still have made sense and been relevant as to how people are just screwing around finding loopholes and being annoying. The point of the challenge is to launch a rocket from a sled. It doesnt have to be realistic, or useful or efficient. It is a CHALLENGE. To do something you dont normally do. The idea is to make a rocket launch from a sled in a creative way, which most people are trying to do, but there are a few people who are just plain going against the challenge rules, or exploiting them.

(Can we have no mre posts on this? I dont want the mods to get involved, and this is an awesome thread, and a very interesting idea.)

If you feel the need to reply, PM me.

[HazelPine]

From this point on, no wise guy remarks or pointing out flaws in the challenge.

[Whatshtisthis]

Guys, this is a challenge, just build it if you're interested.

"No point in building this since its not efficient"

How about that jet-only circumnavigation challenge? You can travel the same distance by going suborbital with rockets, why build a plane for that? That mainsail-only interplanetary challenge? You can use nuclear rockets, why use mainsails?

That's what you guys are saying.

Come on. OP even posted a link for the rocket sled. If you're going to exploit the rules, don't post your entry. Sure its not efficient, but who cares?

/rant

Anyway, I'll get to doing this once I get the time.

[Kasuha]

There was a challenge on Reddit some time back where all your engines were supposed to point up initially and you had to get to not just get to orbit, but land on Mun or another planet.

Challenge does not have to be about making something useful to be fun.

What I don't like on this challenge is, it sets up certain spirit, but then rules are clearly built to favor OP's original design idea against any other, including perfectly valid designs in spirit of the challenge.

There's no point to exclude jet engines.

There's no point to exclude wings and leave winglets in. It doesn't prevent you to build a plane. If you don't want planes, then ban any lift producing parts. Oh yeah, you'd have problem turning your own design upright. I see.

That's the problem.

Edited January 8, 2014 by Kasuha

[1096bimu]

I found this on the challenge guidelines:

As said by sal_vager: No one likes a wiseguy!

Challenges work on an honor system, we can't check if you are cheating and even if you don't "cheat", if you deliberately misinterpret the rules of a challenge or its spirit in order to gain an advantage, you'll spoil the fun for everyone else.

So if a challenge says Stock Only, it means Stock Only, not near stock or mostly stock, and if everyone else has posted a stock entry and there's no modded leaderboard, assume it's stock and ASK the challenge poster if they will consider a modded entry before entering.

Only some people respect the time I spent trying to clear up the fact that this is a challenge and it must be done in a specific way. The first few posts didn't ask for detail (except from a missunderstood user, which I explaned to him later), they were saying my challenge was unrealistic and troll without trying it for themselves.

you don't need to like me, you just need to do what you promised, and put the qualified entries in the leader board

also I don't care about spoiling the fun or whatever, I care if you are lying to people when you put up a challenge but in fact won't put up the scored of anyone but your self.

Edited January 8, 2014 by 1096bimu

[HazelPine]

Say what: I will make a new thread and we can try this challenge all over again. how does that sound?

[1096bimu]

Say what: I will make a new thread and we can try this challenge all over again. how does that sound?

sure, after either you delete this challenge, or you put my entry up on the leader boards.

[DJEN]

Say what: I will make a new thread and we can try this challenge all over again. how does that sound?

Why won't you admit?

[DJEN]

I found this on the challenge guidelines:

As said by sal_vager: No one likes a wiseguy!

Challenges work on an honor system, we can't check if you are cheating and even if you don't "cheat", if you deliberately misinterpret the rules of a challenge or its spirit in order to gain an advantage, you'll spoil the fun for everyone else.

So if a challenge says Stock Only, it means Stock Only, not near stock or mostly stock, and if everyone else has posted a stock entry and there's no modded leaderboard, assume it's stock and ASK the challenge poster if they will consider a modded entry before entering.

Only some people respect the time I spent trying to clear up the fact that this is a challenge and it must be done in a specific way. The first few posts didn't ask for detail (except from a missunderstood user, which I explaned to him later), they were saying my challenge was unrealistic and troll without trying it for themselves.

Fundamentalism, I guess.

[HazelPine]

No, because I think we should start a new thread where there are no new rules, no loopholes or discussion, because this is more of a fight than a challenge now, and nobody is having fun. Maybe even a different kind of challenge.

Edited January 8, 2014 by SaplingPick

[Mic_n]

There was a challenge on Reddit some time back where all your engines were supposed to point up initially and you had to get to not just get to orbit, but land on Mun or another planet.

Challenge does not have to be about making something useful to be fun.

No, it's supposed to be challenging, which for varying reasons, those sorts of challenges are.

The issue here is that the 'challenge' part of it has nothing to do with challenging anything. Like I said, the sled is utterly redundant. The 'challenge' here is to build a rocket sled and then (thanks to the OP's rather arbitrary rules) make absolutely no use of it. If he wants orbital craft launched from a sled, then realistically you're looking at spaceplanes. What he's talking here is taking a wingless rocket, launching it horizontally and then turning it vertical with other rockets before launching in a standard 'rocket' profile. The sled is pointless.

If you want a challenge that's about rocket sleds, make it about rocket sleds.

If you want a challenge that's about lifting off from the horizontal without lift-producing components, make it about that.

They are two completely separate challenges, though.

It has the potential to be a decent challenge, but it's been made stupid.

[HazelPine]

OK, I Will make a new challenge sometime this week, but now can a mod close this thread? This is chaotic.

[Whatshtisthis]

Like I said, the sled is utterly redundant. The 'challenge' here is to build a rocket sled and then (thanks to the OP's rather arbitrary rules) make absolutely no use of it. If he wants orbital craft launched from a sled, then realistically you're looking at spaceplanes. What he's talking here is taking a wingless rocket, launching it horizontally and then turning it vertical with other rockets before launching in a standard 'rocket' profile. The sled is pointless.

I see.

From what I see, the sled component should have these requirements.

1: Able to support the weight of your rocket

2: Able to survive going down the runway at high speeds without breaking while carrying the rocket

In my opinion, building a sled that is able to do that for a large rocket is part of the challenge.

[HazelPine]

Exactly my point.

But I will have to make a new thread and put the challenge there. It will have something to do with the rocket sled that can carry the most weight the fastest or something.

[HazelPine]

I have a new challenge to make people happy, and it is about the sled.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/65290-Rocket-Car-LFO-Delivery-Challenge

[sal_vager]

This is unsalvagable, sorry, deliberate twisting of the spirit of the challenge has ruined it.

My advice? Try again.