Should there be black holes in later versions of KSP?

[RocketScientist00]

Hi guys, looks like my 4th thread has been closed.

Anyway my 5th thread is: Do you want BLACK HOLES in later versions of KSP?

This is just weird, but black holes are big concepts in our own universe

Black Holes do you want? Yes or No?

Thanks

"Knowledge is Power".

[minerman30]

Stop. Just, stop. That's 5 threads in 4 days that you know very well are going to elicit the same response. If you have something to post other than these, go ahead. But no more of these.

/rant

[vexx32]

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[SRV Ron]

Anyway my 5th thread is: Do you want BLACK HOLES in later versions of KSP?

You want Black Holes, get Space Engine and pilot one of their hyper drive star ships.

With the limited technology of the KSP Space Program, interstellar travel will not be possible which is what is needed to travel to here;

[Tery215]

No.

There are intense tidal forces near a black hole. Who wants your kerbals to rip to shreds just for visiting one?

[Deathsoul097]

This is a ridiculous idea. Because there wont be interstellar travel in KSP, you wouldn't be able to reach it anyway, and frankly visiting a black hole is not a good idea. If anything was implemented to do with black holes it would be using a space telescope to find them for science.

[InfinityArch]

IIRC, interstellar travel is still on the table, but as things stand, a black hole wouldn't be very different from another star. I'm not even sure if it would be possible to model the more interesting stuff about a black hole such as the wildly non-Keplerian orbits when your up close.

[vexx32]

If you check the last PCGamer interview, at least three of the devs spoke against interstellar travel. That doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, though; it's just not presently on the cards.

[Wahgineer]

They only said no procedural STAR SYSTEMS, not no interstellar travel. Interstellar travel is more of a feature complete thing (feature complete=nice extra tidbits to flesh out the game).

[r4pt0r]

They only said no procedural STAR SYSTEMS, not no interstellar travel. Interstellar travel is more of a feature complete thing (feature complete=nice extra tidbits to flesh out the game).

false.

"Do you have plans to add more solar systems, or even randomly generated solar systems?

Falange: That’s something we get a lot, and it’s actually something that I’m not very particularly [interested] about implementing"

"Holtzman: The game is science fiction, but one of the things that Felipe has really driven is that he wants the science to come first and the fiction to come second. So when you start talking about multiple solar systems, you get further into the realm of fiction.

Falange: Right, because you’re talking about interstellar distances, which means time-warp isn't enough anymore, no matter how fast you’re going. Now you need some sort of warp drive, and that falls into the realm of sci-fi. And that then requires us to break the laws of physics, which would in fact make everything much trickier."

[Kasuha]

I see no point in adding black holes to KSP in whatever form. They're among those thing which are fascinating to think about but extremely un-enjoyable when implemented realistically.

For star-sized black holes, at the distance from which you can admire their gravitational lenging in Space Engine, any realistic spaceship would be already crushed to elementary particles.

And supermassive black holes are a bit way too big to be any useful for KSP purposes.

[Temeriki]

There already is a black hole in ksp. Land Kerbal on Eva on Jool.

[jwenting]

and the mohole is rather black too.

Black holes can't exist inside solar systems, at least not for very long. A tiny one would collapse, the explosion taking much of the system with it. A large one would gobble up the entire system, leaving a black hole outside a solar system.

And as interstellar travel ain't gonna happen there's no way to reach any potential black hole outside the system.

Case closed.

[Z-Man]

You can do two things with black holes. Fall in, and not fall in. One is not advisable, the other we can already do.

If you want to do the third thing, admire it from a safe distance, put one in your skybox.

[Ralathon]

and the mohole is rather black too.

Black holes can't exist inside solar systems, at least not for very long. A tiny one would collapse, the explosion taking much of the system with it. A large one would gobble up the entire system, leaving a black hole outside a solar system.

And as interstellar travel ain't gonna happen there's no way to reach any potential black hole outside the system.

Case closed.

Actually, primordial black holes (mass ~ asteroid) can exist in a solar system without evaporating via a symbiotic relationship with an asteroid. If such a black hole hits an asteroid tidal forces will make sure it gets captured inside the center. Due to hawking radiation the hole is pumping out a lot of energy, this heats the surrounding rock until it evaporates. The gas is then eaten by the hole which reduces the rate of evaporation. This eventually hits a stable equilibrium where the 2 can coexist for billions of years.

This is relevant because electrically charged black holes would make fantastic rockets. You can keep them in place using their electric field and the hawking radiation as propulsion. You sustain them by force feeding them mass. By carefully regulating the mass flow you can get absolutely phenomenal Isp and thrust. If we can find some in our solar system (Or find out how to build our own black holes) they're the easiest way to build a ship capable of interstellar travel.

Not saying this should be implemented in KSP, just flexing my science muscles.

[RocketScientist00]

OK fine! I want to close my thread streak. Close this one for God's sake. Just asking questions.

[togfox]

You havent asked if we want caves on Mop yet.

[SRV Ron]

Actually, primordial black holes (mass ~ asteroid) can exist in a solar system without evaporating via a symbiotic relationship with an asteroid. If such a black hole hits an asteroid tidal forces will make sure it gets captured inside the center. Due to hawking radiation the hole is pumping out a lot of energy, this heats the surrounding rock until it evaporates. The gas is then eaten by the hole which reduces the rate of evaporation. This eventually hits a stable equilibrium where the 2 can coexist for billions of years.

This is relevant because electrically charged black holes would make fantastic rockets. You can keep them in place using their electric field and the hawking radiation as propulsion. You sustain them by force feeding them mass. By carefully regulating the mass flow you can get absolutely phenomenal Isp and thrust. If we can find some in our solar system (Or find out how to build our own black holes) they're the easiest way to build a ship capable of interstellar travel.

Not saying this should be implemented in KSP, just flexing my science muscles.

You have just described the singularity used to power the Romulan star ships.

[Wahgineer]

false.

"Do you have plans to add more solar systems, or even randomly generated solar systems?

Falange: That’s something we get a lot, and it’s actually something that I’m not very particularly [interested] about implementing"

"Holtzman: The game is science fiction, but one of the things that Felipe has really driven is that he wants the science to come first and the fiction to come second. So when you start talking about multiple solar systems, you get further into the realm of fiction.

Falange: Right, because you’re talking about interstellar distances, which means time-warp isn't enough anymore, no matter how fast you’re going. Now you need some sort of warp drive, and that falls into the realm of sci-fi. And that then requires us to break the laws of physics, which would in fact make everything much trickier."

No where in there does it say no interstellar travel/no star systems, it just says it would be tricky to implement,

[crazyewok]

No.

. Who wants your kerbals to rip to shreds just for visiting one?

Erm.................................Maybe................spaghettified Kerbel........................

[Kasuha]

You don't need a black hole for spaghettified Kerbals...

(warning a somewhat disturbing image) http://imgur.com/40rC3fV

[crazyewok]

You don't need a black hole for spaghettified Kerbals...

All I can say is ................HOW?!!!?!?!?!?!

[WinkAllKerb'']

black hole are like anyone digestive bodies, nothing more nothing less and not so exceptionnal at all despite scale(s) (time and else) it applies. *shrug*

Only difference i see is "l'horizon des évenements" wich has no real equivalent in our digestive process but it's kinda like optic diffraction applied to time ...

could be interesting but will require playing with huge time "warp" to appreciate it huhu

[TimMartland]

Nope. Nope. Nope.

[Comrade Jenkens]

With the way that gravity is simulated in KSP creating a black hole would actually be quite an easy task. A planets gravity in KSP comes from an infinitely small point at the centre of each planet which is essentially a black hole. A large gravity well with the singularity simply covered by a graphical effect would do the job easily.

As for the matter of whether we actually want black holes. Personally no as it wouldn't fit the Kerbol System and interstellar travel is not going to happen in the near future.