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[1.12.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [16.1][28.05.2024][Mars Expedition WIP]


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I'd like to see it because it will fill empty nodes in my tech tree, hehe :P

I've just had a glance at the spreadsheet, the "Future" page especially, wow!

Congrats on Release 18!

  • Did working on the new anntenna give you any insight on how to get the existing Kurs dish to fold flat and contour to the Soyuz OM?
  • How's the thesis coming?
  • How easy/hard is piloting the LK IVA only? Does the lack of radar altimeter and vertical speed indicator make it too challenging?
  • Is the N-1/LK/Soyuz7K-LOK system pretty much completed for the near future? Trying to gauge if I should start working on an authentic .craft file for the repository.

Everything looks fantastic, as always. :)

Thanks!

Nice questions :)

1. Kinda, actually I may push that out in a small patch soon.

2. Very heavy stage of development now (For those that do not know, I'm developing an N-Body simulation algorithms for MSc), I begin to appreciate why Squad would never want to implement true N-body in KSP :)

Here's four clones of Venus orbiting close to a black hole, you'll notice they're illuminated, I would like to do some kind of accretion disk, etc (But the focus is not on graphic fancy effects).

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3. Hard, I'll be honest. It needs RPM compatibility, which I'll get to shortly. Those small props you mention, yeah, I should add those actually :blush:

Edit: Fixed!

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4. Yep, absolutely. The only minor addition would be the N-1 fins, and perhaps LK/LOK docking system. But for the near future, it's done.

Great LK! And like others, I vote for and encourage you to do the PPTS and Kliper. Like you, I am tired of the MK1-2 pod. I know Squad has their priorities and all, but it desperatly needs a new texture.

http://i.imgur.com/V1ffytD.png

Something like this just drives me crazy.

Thanks!

It's a very... odd texture.

That's all I can say. I'm not really sure why it is unwrapped as it is, someone with texturing and Blender experience could enlighten me.

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Edit:

Updated download - added VSI and Radar Altimeter to LK

IVA only landing should be marginally possible now :)

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The Castor LARJ engine has 9350s of vacuum ISP and only requires 2.7ec/s. That's... strange. I don't remember ever using it to be honest. Is that intentional or something is wrong on my end?

I included the 'cheat' config by mistake :D

Will fix!

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I see! :)

I like it though! Time for a 25 day Duna mission!

I've been using it to tootle about the Kerbol system without resorting to hyper-edit. :P

Fixed the download, also reverted the nesting jets to using solid-fuel as MonoPropellant was proving all manner of trouble.

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It's a very... odd texture.

That's all I can say. I'm not really sure why it is unwrapped as it is, someone with texturing and Blender experience could enlighten me.

http://puu.sh/gDjds/6b5b60f60f.jpg

In my experience, unwrapping in blender is sort of weird. It never works out like you want it, and when you want something more precise, you'll have to manually move the UV islands around.

What Squad simply did here was use a option called smart UV unwrap to get something tangible, then edited it a little bit, and created the texture, most likely to save time. I wouldn't blame them for doing that, it can be a pain to unwrap a simple capsule.

Also, really like how the LK looks. I would say it's puppy approved, but I don't have a photo for that specific purpose yet.

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Well, no new Tantares for me. It breaks my MIR station (Kerbin vanishes, and if I EVA the kerbal instantly impacts every part of the station and dies, yes EVERY part, black screen, black nav ball, white altitude bar, the whole Kraken bit) - I reverted to my previous Tantares folder and the problem went away so until I'm ready to drop this career (which probably won't be until 1.0) I'm stuck where I am.

:(

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In my experience, unwrapping in blender is sort of weird. It never works out like you want it, and when you want something more precise, you'll have to manually move the UV islands around.

What Squad simply did here was use a option called smart UV unwrap to get something tangible, then edited it a little bit, and created the texture, most likely to save time. I wouldn't blame them for doing that, it can be a pain to unwrap a simple capsule.

Also, really like how the LK looks. I would say it's puppy approved, but I don't have a photo for that specific purpose yet.

Thanks for the explanations, it makes a lot more sense now! :)

On LK - thanks! I'll take "puppy approved" for granted.

Well, no new Tantares for me. It breaks my MIR station (Kerbin vanishes, and if I EVA the kerbal instantly impacts every part of the station and dies, yes EVERY part, black screen, black nav ball, white altitude bar, the whole Kraken bit) - I reverted to my previous Tantares folder and the problem went away so until I'm ready to drop this career (which probably won't be until 1.0) I'm stuck where I am.

:(

Very unfortunate. My best guess is you maybe used an LK part in the old MIR?

It's very odd to cause such serious bugs.

Edit: try clean install of Tantares, ex. Delete the old version first (If you didn't do this already).

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Ohhh! You just made my crappy mood into a happy one! Loving the RPM in Gemini. :D Although, there is a minor glitch I came across regarding that capsule:

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Any ideas what's causing the extra toolbox to just spawn outside the ship? :P

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Ohhh! You just made my crappy mood into a happy one! Loving the RPM in Gemini. :D Although' date=' there is a minor glitch I came across regarding that capsule:

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Any ideas what's causing the extra toolbox to just spawn outside the ship? :P

That is the prop toolbox huh?

Real odd, thanks for finding this! (Though, haven't seem to come across it myself).

Likely a layering issue, I'll check it out!

Nice ION lander eh!

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Nice ION lander eh!

Hehe, Thanks! :D Actually that "ION lander" is a work-in-progress spaceship capable of insane speeds (I modified ion engines to act as powerful thrusters). Like I've mentioned earlier. I build one-stage ships and this is one of them that I started building just now. :)

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Hehe' date=' Thanks! :D Actually that "ION lander" is a work-in-progress spaceship capable of insane speeds (I modified ion engines to act as powerful thrusters). Like I've mentioned earlier. I build one-stage ships and this is one of them that I started building just now. :)[/quote']

That kind of engine brings back memories!

Well, it seems PPTS has "won" the poll. So that's coming up next.

Except, as is much needed, the Vostok capsule is going to get a long-needed makeover (With some good ideas passinglurker gave me).

The VIRP! Vostok Intermediary Refurbishment Project

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Oh nice! Awesomeness just keeps coming out of the oven, eh? :D I've used Vostok capsule in few of my designs, the latest design I did with it came out sweet. Hope the refurbished Vostok will have RPM too. :)

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Great looking station! Short mod list?

Core-module:

Mostly Tantares (what else?! :P),

KAS (will maybe replaced by KIS),

Nebula Handrails

and Procedural Parts (Adapter between Kvant and Senior Dockingport; radial tanks)

Tweakscale (for procedural parts)

Science-tower (no pics yet, sorry) and Communications-Tower:

KIS

DMagic Orbital Science

Hope that helps :)

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Oh nice! Awesomeness just keeps coming out of the oven' date=' eh? :D I've used Vostok capsule in few of my designs, the latest design I did with it came out sweet. Hope the refurbished Vostok will have RPM too. :)[/quote']

Never been sure about RPM for Vostok, it's one of this awkward historical things, but eh, the Gemini has RPM screens - so why not?

Is the Vostok going to have an IVA released with it like the LK? All of the black void IVAs are kinda freaking me out, honestly.

It may retain its current one, window positions, etc. are all the same.

Either way, yeah it will have one on release.

Next IVA I think to focus on is the Soyuz DM, OrionKermin is designing a Neptune-alike control panel, which is sure to look wonderful.

After that, probably PPTS will need on on release.

Core-module:

Mostly Tantares (what else?! :P),

KAS (will maybe replaced by KIS),

Nebula Handrails

and Procedural Parts (Adapter between Kvant and Senior Dockingport; radial tanks)

Tweakscale (for procedural parts)

Science-tower (no pics yet, sorry) and Communications-Tower:

KIS

DMagic Orbital Science

Hope that helps :)

Thanks for the list! :)

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Very unfortunate. My best guess is you maybe used an LK part in the old MIR?

It's very odd to cause such serious bugs.

Edit: try clean install of Tantares, ex. Delete the old version first (If you didn't do this already).

  • No LK parts there that I *know* of... But what I did was:
  • Archive the previous Tantares Folder and then delete it.
  • Installed the new Tatares Folder.
  • Started the game.
  • Got a message that my Munar station didn't load because of a missing "Libra_Structure_A".
  • Force quit the game.
  • Grabbed the missing part from my archive.
  • Stuck it in my "OldTantares" folder and edited the config to read "category = none" so it wouldn't show in the VAB.
  • Restarted the game.
  • Got no error messages.
  • Went to the Munar Station - all A-OK.
  • Went to YAMAS (Yet Another Mir-Alike Station) and got the weird missing Kerbin problem.
  • EVAed my kerbal and FPS dropped to .2 (seems like) frames per second. Black Nav Ball, White Alt readout.
  • Got the popup saying my Kerbal was went on EVA, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Kerbal died.
  • I quit the game.
  • Archived the new Tantares.
  • Restored the old Tantares.
  • Restored my pre-update save game folder.
  • Started the game.
  • Went to YAMAS and all was A-OK.

So... there ya have it.

Output log was confusing, as always, but I did spot several instances of "Module XXX not found, found Aeroentry instead" which might be a clue or mean nothing. As a total guess Aeroentry is probably from the trajectories mod, so maybe if I had pulled that it would have been ok? I may muck about with it again when I have some more time...

Just for good measure

000_ToolbarALaCarteParts

BoulderCo

Chatterer

CoolRockets

DeadlyReentry

EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements

FASA

FederalProductions <-holds custom mod stuff I've done for myself - like the MMcfg that give me a TKS tank that holds LFO

HullCameraVDS

KAS

KASX

Kerbaltek

KIS

KronalUtils

KSP-AVC

MagicSmokeIndustries

MechJeb2

NASAmission

NavyFish

NRAP

oldtantparts

ProceduralFairings

RCSBuildAid

RcsSounds

RealChute

RKE_Kanadarm

SmartParts

SmokeScreen

Squad

StageRecovery

TacFuelBalancer

TacSelfDestruct

Tantares

TantaresLV

TextureReplacer

ToadicusTools

Trajectories

TurboNisuReloaded

TweakableEverything

TweakScale

VOID

ModuleManager.2.5.10.dll

EVAManager.dll

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To celebrate the release of new LK take this piece of awesome art found on DA (by macrebisz):

wz0Jp7Oqdw4.jpg

Also, I wanted to say, I've talked with NathanKell, so my RO configs will in the nearest future be put into RO itself. I'll PM you when the configs could be removed from Tantares[LV] folder. :)

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  • No LK parts there that I *know* of... But what I did was:
  • Archive the previous Tantares Folder and then delete it.
  • Installed the new Tatares Folder.
  • Started the game.
  • Got a message that my Munar station didn't load because of a missing "Libra_Structure_A".
  • Force quit the game.
  • Grabbed the missing part from my archive.
  • Stuck it in my "OldTantares" folder and edited the config to read "category = none" so it wouldn't show in the VAB.
  • Restarted the game.
  • Got no error messages.
  • Went to the Munar Station - all A-OK.
  • Went to YAMAS (Yet Another Mir-Alike Station) and got the weird missing Kerbin problem.
  • EVAed my kerbal and FPS dropped to .2 (seems like) frames per second. Black Nav Ball, White Alt readout.
  • Got the popup saying my Kerbal was went on EVA, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Impacted name, Kerbal died.
  • I quit the game.
  • Archived the new Tantares.
  • Restored the old Tantares.
  • Restored my pre-update save game folder.
  • Started the game.
  • Went to YAMAS and all was A-OK.

So... there ya have it.

Output log was confusing, as always, but I did spot several instances of "Module XXX not found, found Aeroentry instead" which might be a clue or mean nothing. As a total guess Aeroentry is probably from the trajectories mod, so maybe if I had pulled that it would have been ok? I may muck about with it again when I have some more time...

Just for good measure

000_ToolbarALaCarteParts

BoulderCo

Chatterer

CoolRockets

DeadlyReentry

EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements

FASA

FederalProductions <-holds custom mod stuff I've done for myself - like the MMcfg that give me a TKS tank that holds LFO

HullCameraVDS

KAS

KASX

Kerbaltek

KIS

KronalUtils

KSP-AVC

MagicSmokeIndustries

MechJeb2

NASAmission

NavyFish

NRAP

oldtantparts

ProceduralFairings

RCSBuildAid

RcsSounds

RealChute

RKE_Kanadarm

SmartParts

SmokeScreen

Squad

StageRecovery

TacFuelBalancer

TacSelfDestruct

Tantares

TantaresLV

TextureReplacer

ToadicusTools

Trajectories

TurboNisuReloaded

TweakableEverything

TweakScale

VOID

ModuleManager.2.5.10.dll

EVAManager.dll

Hmmm...

This is a really awful trouble.

It could be because I removed KAS compatibility? But, this is a long shot.

Try adding in the old KAS config?

Aside from that, I'm really not sure, this is a real shame.

To celebrate the release of new LK take this piece of awesome art found on DA (by macrebisz):

http://cs624422.vk.me/v624422511/247b6/wz0Jp7Oqdw4.jpg

Also, I wanted to say, I've talked with NathanKell, so my RO configs will in the nearest future be put into RO itself. I'll PM you when the configs could be removed from Tantares[LV] folder. :)

Ha, I photoshop edited this a few weeks ago, to remove the cosmonaut (For desktop background).

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RO news! That's really great news. It will be a lot easier to maintain hopefully (RO configs independent of Tantares version) :)

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  • Got a message that my Munar station didn't load because of a missing "Libra_Structure_A".

That is the old tank-part of the old LK ("Libra" in Tantares)

I really hope thats the cause of your bug, otherwise I fear for, well, nearly everything in my careersave :(

I think you could demolish your stations with KIS until they are free from old Libra parts and then rebuild them...

KIS needs to be stock :rolleyes:

Ha, I photoshop edited this a few weeks ago, to remove the cosmonaut (For desktop background).

http://puu.sh/gEdf0/e7c8ee6ccb.jpg

You forgot his shadow :wink:

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Hmmm...

This is a really awful trouble.

It could be because I removed KAS compatibility? But, this is a long shot.

Try adding in the old KAS config?

Aside from that, I'm really not sure, this is a real shame.

Maybe so, I have numerous things stored in the Vega parts.... Why did you pull KAS compatibility?

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You forgot his shadow :wink:

Ack!

Maybe so, I have numerous things stored in the Vega parts.... Why did you pull KAS compatibility?

The removal of KAS was quite... abrupt, I'll apologize for that. There should be clear warning signs.

Basically the part storage aspect of KAS is likely to be removed all together at some point soon, replaced with KIS entirely, to the best of my knowledge (As in KAS is purely winches and hooks).

If you had stored parts, it could have been a problem :(

I can try and placate your save corruption woes with some new content.

Next update can be PPTS and Vostok, old and new, I think that's pretty cute.

I thought I would try a metal effect...

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This didn't take long...

Benefits of texturing a simple shape I suppose.

The metal is now omni-directional heatshield, with a "shock-plate" on the bottom (Yeah, this is totally made-up).

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Part welders!

Make this, the хûõñ úþÑÂüøчõÑÂúøù úþрðñûь...

71ef1a590c.jpg

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This didn't take long...

Benefits of texturing a simple shape I suppose.

The metal is now omni-directional heatshield, with a "shock-plate" on the bottom (Yeah, this is totally made-up).

http://puu.sh/gEuF0/2ef3f67ad6.jpg

http://puu.sh/gEuGD/70f61f14fe.jpg

http://puu.sh/gEuHD/f60989615b.jpg

Part welders!

Make this, the хûõñ úþÑÂüøчõÑÂúøù úþрðñûь...

http://puu.sh/gEuZY/71ef1a590c.jpg

Looks cool! Will you make a spherical probe core like you wanted before? ;)

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