So. Windows 10, huh.

[Linear]

Hi.

Has anyone else tried the windows 10 technical preview? What are you thoughts toward it?

Personally i'm with the argument that it's what we imagined Windows 8 to be when it was revealed, and i adore the start menu with apps.

The App Store integration is pretty seamless, and the multi-desktop idea may be old but it works well (work to do there).

[Nibb31]

I don't install tech previews and OS betas, but it can't be worse than 8, can it?

I hope they give a cheap upgrade path like they did for Windows 8.

[Frozen_Heart]

Still using Windows 7. I really hope that 10 is better than 8.

[jaredkzr]

I'm downloading the preview now and am planning on trying it out inside a virtual machine. I'd rather not risk my desktop to an operating system in early development. From the screenshots I've seen, it looks to be pretty good but I'll report back!

[Streetwind]

From the feature list, it fixes a lot of the things I didn't like in Windows 8 (auto-fullscreen apps ugh), while keeping a lot of the things I did like in Windows 8 (dat task manager, so hot). And also adding useful new stuff (actual proper copypasta functionality on the commandline? Please bear my children!).

I'm optimistic.

[Linear]

I'm downloading the preview now and am planning on trying it out inside a virtual machine. I'd rather not risk my desktop to an operating system in early development. From the screenshots I've seen, it looks to be pretty good but I'll report back!

Remember if you use vmware you'll need the pro version :-)

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From the feature list, it fixes a lot of the things I didn't like in Windows 8 (auto-fullscreen apps ugh), while keeping a lot of the things I did like in Windows 8 (dat task manager, so hot). And also adding useful new stuff (actual proper copypasta functionality on the commandline? Please bear my children!).

I'm optimistic.

Me too - it does the same for me, it's really nice so far!

[Umlüx]

i like it a lot so far (Win8 denier speaking)

some small nuisances with the GUI here and there, but the overall impression is pretty good. the chances are pretty high that it will replace my beloved Win7 someday.

[Camacha]

I don't install tech previews and OS betas, but it can't be worse than 8, can it?

People that maintain that Windows 8 is a bad OS really cannot be taken too seriously. If you get hung up on the UI you are missing most of the deal.

[Alshain]

People that maintain that Windows 8 is a bad OS really cannot be taken too seriously. If you get hung up on the UI you are missing most of the deal.

If the UI is so unintuitive you can't use it, you're not.

[Nuke]

so were skipping the good version of windows this time around?

[Linear]

so were skipping the good version of windows this time around?

Windows 8 was a fantastic version really, just a massive brainfart on the UI.

W10 is rectifying it. The naming is purely a clever marketing ploy to generate talk about it.

[quasarrgames]

I didn't try it, but i heard about it.

If they make the windows operating system a paid service, i may never well buy a microsoft product again. That's too far. That's EA far.

[Camacha]

If the UI is so unintuitive you can't use it, you're not.

If that UI is really unusable one must have terrible problems in life.

Windows 8 was a fantastic version really, just a massive brainfart on the UI.

Under the hood it is fantastic indeed. The UI is new, as opposed to the Start Menu that has been around since the dinosaurs, so it is not a surprise it needs some fine tuning. In all reality, it is not nearly as bad as people purported it to be (and in my opinion actually pretty good).

Edited October 3, 2014 by Camacha

[WestAir]

No windows 9?

[lajoswinkler]

I'm ok with Windows 7. The best OS I've ever installed. It's not broken, so I'm not fixing it.

No windows 9?

Supposedly 8.1 was enough nineish, and there's also marketing tricks for calling this 10.

[Nuke]

Windows 8 was a fantastic version really, just a massive brainfart on the UI.

W10 is rectifying it. The naming is purely a clever marketing ploy to generate talk about it.

windows versions are a lot like star trek movies. only every other one is any good.

[Dodgey]

Well once windows 8 got the shell (no idea of the actual name) which effectively bought back the start menu I had no problems with 8. Though the control panel is much worse than in older versions.

[mangekyou-sama]

I've partitioned my drive to make a dual boot system. Given Win10 a try and it's not bad. That abomination of a Start Menu in Windows 8 is gone. It feels like Windows 7 all over again. But then again, this is still Technical preview so we can't say yet what more features are in store

[Nibb31]

If that UI is really unusable one must have terrible problems in life.

Most people expect a user interface to be better than "not unusable", especially when they are upgrading. If things change, then there must be a benefit for them that makes it "more usable" or "easier" or "faster". Windows 8 changed the UI for the sake of change. There was no benefit to the user.

The fact is that Windows 8 is schizophrenic. It's two operating systems in one, with different conventions and different paradigms. Windows 8 is "usable" with constant workarounds and constant mental gymnastics. Whether you are conscious of them or if you personally find them trivial or not is irrelevant. Your brain is always switching from one mode to the other, and that is tiring and counterproductive.

Most people are not as computer-savvy as you are and get utterly confused when things change place or are removed. The simple act of removing the Start button and not making it available as some kind of legacy option was pure arrogance. Microsoft sales hurt badly, especially in corporate sales, and it was well deserved. Corporations don't give a hoot about touch screens or app stores. They just want their software to work and their employees to be productive without additional training.

Under the hood it is fantastic indeed. The UI is new, as opposed to the Start Menu that has been around since the dinosaurs, so it is not a surprise it needs some fine tuning. In all reality, it is not nearly as bad as people purported it to be (and in my opinion actually pretty good).

I agree that under the hood it works well and is probably the fastest and most robust Windows version yet. Unfortunately, the UI is what most users see and interact with and they were familiar with it.

Common users don't like their controls moved around, changed, or downright removed. How would you react if car manufacturers suddenly decided to replace steering wheels with airplane yokes and inverted controls, because it's fresh, new, and innovative? Or even worse: if they constantly switched from one set of controls to the other, depending on what type of road you were driving on. I'm sure some people would be able to adapt, at the cost of extreme concentration, but most people would either crash or give up driving, regardless of what's under the hood.

Edited October 3, 2014 by Nibb31

[78stonewobble]

If that UI is really unusable one must have terrible problems in life.

Under the hood it is fantastic indeed. The UI is new, as opposed to the Start Menu that has been around since the dinosaurs, so it is not a surprise it needs some fine tuning. In all reality, it is not nearly as bad as people purported it to be (and in my opinion actually pretty good).

Has anyone said, that windows 8 and 8.1 "under the hood" is horrible?

The oppinions I've read say that, there it's a decent improvement.

If that's the case, the UI must be a significant problem/obstacle for people to go from "decent improvement" to "sucks" ... in their oppinion of it.

Personally I just like my desktop with it's 96 icons...

... And yeah I don't mind a new touch gui for touch screens. I'm totally ok with that. It makes perfect sense... However, a touch gui for non-touch screens... makes alot less than perfect sense.

[Streetwind]

No windows 9?

For those of you who wonder: apparently somewhere on Reddit, a Microsoft employee gave an "unofficial" explanation. Basically... legacy software compatibility.

https://twitter.com/mikko/status/517358472715710465

And if you're curious how much truth is in that statement - here's a relevant query on searchcode.net which turns up almost 4,400 results instantly: https://searchcode.com/?q=if%28version%2Cstartswith%28%22windows+9%22%29 And the vast majority of software code isn't even findable on that website, because it tracks only open sources.

So yeah - blame lazy third party devs, not Microsoft

[magnemoe]

Has anyone said, that windows 8 and 8.1 "under the hood" is horrible?

The oppinions I've read say that, there it's a decent improvement.

If that's the case, the UI must be a significant problem/obstacle for people to go from "decent improvement" to "sucks" ... in their oppinion of it.

Personally I just like my desktop with it's 96 icons...

... And yeah I don't mind a new touch gui for touch screens. I'm totally ok with that. It makes perfect sense... However, a touch gui for non-touch screens... makes alot less than perfect sense.

This, remember that the majority if pc users has some skills, they are not superusers but neither novices who have problems handling a mouse. More importantly they are not very interested in computers but has learned the skills they need over they years.

usually they have no problems installing software but don't like it at least things who looks complex, no problems copying files to memory sticks or mailing them and other everyday skills.

Now give them a new UI and they don't understand anything, an superuser will try things and find that works and that not pretty fast but not the majority so they hate it.

They will start asking for help often, this causes internal support to hate it too.

Windows 8 might be easer for the total novices however they are a far smaller group and rarely do anything on an computer except starting the 2-3 programs they are trained in using.

And yes Microsoft did a lots of idiot design errors in Windows 8, some was insane.

No folder support on the start screen, probably my favorite, if you install office it contains lots of small utility programs for special use, same with sql server, now all of this end up on the start screen cluttering it a lot, yes its include office and sql server 2012 who is designed for 8.

Other stuff like moving small utility apps in windows to another place than the start screen, mini apps who have to run full screen on your 27" monitor and more.

Note that all of this is mistakes not related to touch, just related to that windows 8 looks to use lots of features who would fit better on an cell phone than a pc.

[Twreed87]

No windows 9?

Why is there no Windows 9?

Because Windows 7 ate 9.

[rtxoff]

Caution, following words are based entirely on my personal opinion, don't get upset because of them.

Yesterday i tried the Win 10 technical preview, i don't like it. The design is much worse then Win7, it's just ugly. Also the way they trying to force a microsoft account onto their users is more then questionable. Yes i know it's not a must and you can create a local account only but this is note obvious when you install it. The over simplification of the system settings is ridiculous. I just don't get it why they trying to patronise the users, even if they had to do it please leave an option for older folks to access their stuff like they used to. People are getting older and their will to learn new things again and again fades. I know it's just a preview and until release they might change stuff. However they changed so much since Win7 that a change is not an option for me. I am a Windows user since 3.11 and since then adapted often enough to new windows version, the adaptation from XP to 7 was my biggest change yet. The change from 7 to 10 is something i can not tolerate anymore. I am going to use Win7 until it's not possible anymore after that i probably go to a Linux distro. I hope Linux get's it's .... done until then.

[Nibb31]

Did you ever try Windows 8 ?

Your gripes sound like most peoples' criticism of Windows 8.

Edited October 4, 2014 by Nibb31