[1.3] Pilot Assistant: Atmospheric piloting aids - 1.13.2 (May 28)

Crzyrndm · August 24, 2015

It's an oversight in the label. For the other control modes, it is actually angle of attack. When the mode is pitch control is it meant to read pitch...

Skalou · August 24, 2015

It's an oversight in the label.
For the other control modes, it is actually angle of attack.
When the mode is pitch control is it meant to read pitch...

Ok, thank you.

I see in other vertical assistant mode than "pitch" there is a kind of angle of attack limiter (something like 8Ã‚Â°?) i think it is what you mean.

Yes, it's evident now.

Svm420 · August 25, 2015

You Sir, are my hero! Many thanks!!!
edit: You're still a hero, but unfortunately, my jumping Kerbal bug is still jumping.

Same still can't get on my plane.

Arthur Zulu · August 25, 2015

Same still can't get on my plane.

Same here. Tried a fresh KSP install (32-Bit, dx9) using only this mod and still got the jittering EVA bug when trying to walk on a craft.

Crzyrndm · August 26, 2015

My apologies for the delay on this one, I've been out for a few weeks

Pilot Assistant v1.11.7

Fixing the jittering EVA (Mk2)

Isabelle.V.Fuchs · August 26, 2015

Yes, me too.

Only possilble methode is using Rocket-backpack and jump. So I was able to hop insind my shuttle on the ground.

I asked myself, if I should use long ladders inside the room so I could crawl around...

Or use a very little rover. Driving inside was possible still...

JWS · August 26, 2015

For me, pausing the mod by pressing 'tab' solved EVA jittering problem.

Crzyrndm · August 27, 2015

So 1.11.7 still jitters? (*Insert annoyed muttering*)

Edited August 27, 2015 by Crzyrndm

Svm420 · August 30, 2015

Nope you got the jitter fixed that time. WIsh I had tested sooner to get back to you, but the latest FAR updated had me redesigning all my planes again.

Nori · August 31, 2015

Getting this random NRE right after my ship is packed for orbit.

Any ideas?


[EXC 21:28:22.991] NullReferenceException
	UnityEngine.Component.get_transform ()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS+<FadeInAxis>d__0.MoveNext ()
	UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:updateTarget()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:warpHandler()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule:warpHandler()
	EventVoid:Fire()
	TimeWarp:assumeWarpRate(Single, Boolean)
	TimeWarp:setRate(Int32, Boolean)
	TimeWarp:btnSetHighRate(Int32)
	ScreenSafeUISliderButton:OnMouseDown()
	SSUICamera:DoMouseEvents()
	SSUICamera:Update()
[EXC 21:28:22.994] NullReferenceException
	UnityEngine.Component.get_transform ()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS+<FadeInAxis>d__0.MoveNext ()
	UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:updateTarget()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:warpHandler()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule:warpHandler()
	EventVoid:Fire()
	TimeWarp:assumeWarpRate(Single, Boolean)
	TimeWarp:setRate(Int32, Boolean)
	TimeWarp:btnSetHighRate(Int32)
	ScreenSafeUISliderButton:OnMouseDown()
	SSUICamera:DoMouseEvents()
	SSUICamera:Update()
[EXC 21:28:22.995] NullReferenceException
	UnityEngine.Component.get_transform ()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS+<FadeInAxis>d__0.MoveNext ()
	UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:updateTarget()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:warpHandler()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule:warpHandler()
	EventVoid:Fire()
	TimeWarp:assumeWarpRate(Single, Boolean)
	TimeWarp:setRate(Int32, Boolean)
	TimeWarp:btnSetHighRate(Int32)
	ScreenSafeUISliderButton:OnMouseDown()
	SSUICamera:DoMouseEvents()
	SSUICamera:Update()
[EXC 21:28:22.997] NullReferenceException
	UnityEngine.Component.get_transform ()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS.updateTarget ()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS.warpHandler ()
	PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule.warpHandler ()
	EventVoid.Fire ()
	TimeWarp.assumeWarpRate (Single rate, Boolean instant)
	TimeWarp.setRate (Int32 rateIdx, Boolean instantChange)
	TimeWarp.btnSetHighRate (Int32 rate)
	ScreenSafeUISliderButton.OnMouseDown ()
	SSUICamera.DoMouseEvents ()
	SSUICamera.Update ()


NullReferenceException
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Component:InternalGetTransform ()

  at UnityEngine.Component.get_transform () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS+<FadeInAxis>d__0.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine_Auto(IEnumerator)
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:updateTarget()
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:warpHandler()
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule:warpHandler()
EventVoid:Fire()
TimeWarp:assumeWarpRate(Single, Boolean)
TimeWarp:setRate(Int32, Boolean)
TimeWarp:btnSetHighRate(Int32)
ScreenSafeUISliderButton:OnMouseDown()
SSUICamera:DoMouseEvents()
SSUICamera:Update()

(Filename:  Line: -1)

NullReferenceException
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Component:InternalGetTransform ()

  at UnityEngine.Component.get_transform () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS+<FadeInAxis>d__0.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine_Auto(IEnumerator)
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:updateTarget()
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:warpHandler()
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule:warpHandler()
EventVoid:Fire()
TimeWarp:assumeWarpRate(Single, Boolean)
TimeWarp:setRate(Int32, Boolean)
TimeWarp:btnSetHighRate(Int32)
ScreenSafeUISliderButton:OnMouseDown()
SSUICamera:DoMouseEvents()
SSUICamera:Update()

(Filename:  Line: -1)

NullReferenceException
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Component:InternalGetTransform ()

  at UnityEngine.Component.get_transform () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS+<FadeInAxis>d__0.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine_Auto(IEnumerator)
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:updateTarget()
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS:warpHandler()
PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule:warpHandler()
EventVoid:Fire()
TimeWarp:assumeWarpRate(Single, Boolean)
TimeWarp:setRate(Int32, Boolean)
TimeWarp:btnSetHighRate(Int32)
ScreenSafeUISliderButton:OnMouseDown()
SSUICamera:DoMouseEvents()
SSUICamera:Update()

(Filename:  Line: -1)

NullReferenceException
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Component:InternalGetTransform ()

  at UnityEngine.Component.get_transform () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS.updateTarget () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at PilotAssistant.FlightModules.SurfSAS.warpHandler () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at PilotAssistant.FlightModules.AsstVesselModule.warpHandler () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at EventVoid.Fire () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at TimeWarp.assumeWarpRate (Single rate, Boolean instant) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at TimeWarp.setRate (Int32 rateIdx, Boolean instantChange) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at TimeWarp.btnSetHighRate (Int32 rate) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at ScreenSafeUISliderButton.OnMouseDown () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at SSUICamera.DoMouseEvents () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at SSUICamera.Update () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

(Filename:  Line: -1)

Crzyrndm · August 31, 2015

Is this the main vessel entering timewarp or a secondary vessel leaving physics range?

Nori · August 31, 2015

Main entering. I only tested it on the one ship though.

Excellent mod BTW. Makes flying airplanes much more enjoyable!

Crzyrndm · September 1, 2015

I haven't been able to replicate the error. Could I get a full log and any other possibly relevant information

Nori · September 1, 2015

I'll see if I can replicate it tonight as I don't have the log file from that specific time.

Nori · September 3, 2015

I haven't seen it pop up again. If I see it I'll be sure to grab the whole log.

colonelcorn · September 8, 2015

This looks awesome! I've got a few things I'm working on so I've got a (probably stupid) question. If I am in one aircraft and tell it to hold a heading, then move to another aircraft, will the original aircraft keep that command or does it require me to be actively in control of it?

Hopefully that made sense.

Crzyrndm · September 8, 2015

It will keep that heading. You can also switch between active vessels using the numbers on the main panel, so you don't even need to be in control of the other vessel to activate PA functionality

colonelcorn · September 8, 2015

It will keep that heading. You can also switch between active vessels using the numbers on the main panel, so you don't even need to be in control of the other vessel to activate PA functionality

This makes me so freaking happy! Can't wait to get home from work and jump on some fun projects again. Thanks!

AdmiralTigerclaw · September 9, 2015

Alright, Crzyrndm, quiz time.

Default settings. I set the altitude hold assistant. Aircraft immediately goes into a gentle suicide (minus 60 degree pitch angle from horizon) dive before it finally realizes what direction it's going and tries to pull up at an equally sedate pace. All things considered, on default I can expect a sluggish response on a vehicle as the various limitation settings aren't set up for it yet, but the tendency for any reset of the altitude to a new value to result in a 'scanning' kind of event as the plane almost seems to look for zero is quite terrifying.

What's going on, and if the answer is one of the various Integral or Scalar values, why aren't they defaulted to something safe... ish?

I've had to play with three sections of the values to stabilize the thing.

Crzyrndm · September 9, 2015

What's going on, and if the answer is one of the various Integral or Scalar values, why aren't they defaulted to something safe... ish?

Because "safe... ish" depends a whole lot on the flight behaviours of the plane. From what you're describing, I would guess that the plane has a very strong nose down tendency (a lot of pitch up trim in level flight) at that speed/altitude and the required level of trim isn't getting passed through the setpoint change in full.

Would you mind putting the craft file somewhere? There might be a bug involved or it could just be one of those planes that doesn't like the defaults and it can be difficult to tell the difference.

AdmiralTigerclaw · September 9, 2015

Because "safe... ish" depends a whole lot on the flight behaviours of the plane. From what you're describing, I would guess that the plane has a very strong nose down tendency (a lot of pitch up trim in level flight) at that speed/altitude and the required level of trim isn't getting passed through the setpoint change in full.
Would you mind putting the craft file somewhere? There might be a bug involved or it could just be one of those planes that doesn't like the defaults and it can be difficult to tell the difference.

Dropping it in now:

https://www./?m934emdklf93krx

There are two aircraft in this file. Both have shown this tendency and have different flight characteristics.

- One is more or less the Global Hawk (renamed) and trims and flies nicely without any issues until I tell the assistant to hold an altitude.

- The other is 'Skyranger', a convoluted beast I'm trying to get a functional supersonic (stable) VTOL out of. (So far I have it down to stable, but I'm playing the engine tango for speed and fuel consumption.)

Both use specialty mod parts, both trim okay in forward flight. The problem is setting altitude specifically. Hold Pitch angle and other commands work decently well, but the behavior to look for is that the moment you set or change the altitude you want: The aircraft will sweep gently into a controlled nose down in a manner that reminds me of a searching or scanning behavior. Even if the desired altitude is above and the aircraft's in a gentle descent. I should note that at a neutral trim and any decent speed, natural speed induced nose-rise is the behavior these craft have.

I've been able to slap integral and scalar values up and around until I forced stability in the behavior enough that I don't lose 4,000 meters to random dive, but it ends up being so much frantic tweaking that I can't remember what I did to what to narrow it down for you.

Crzyrndm · September 14, 2015

Try with this version. There was a small error in the setpoint smoothing logic which I think was causing your issue

Edited September 14, 2015 by Crzyrndm

Kobymaru · September 15, 2015

Hi! I have a question:

I am using the Pitch pilot assistant (about 10Ã‚Â°) to hold my pitch. Then I wanted to switch to Altitude hold, but what always happens is that my plane goes in a nosedive and stays there until I disable the pilot assistant.

What could be the reason for this? Is it not "recommended" to switch between Vertical control modes?

AdmiralTigerclaw · September 15, 2015

Hi! I have a question:
I am using the Pitch pilot assistant (about 10Ã‚Â°) to hold my pitch. Then I wanted to switch to Altitude hold, but what always happens is that my plane goes in a nosedive and stays there until I disable the pilot assistant.
What could be the reason for this? Is it not "recommended" to switch between Vertical control modes?

He's working on that problem now actually. (See above post.)

AdmiralTigerclaw · September 16, 2015

Try with this version. There was a small error in the setpoint smoothing logic which I think was causing your issue

Just gave some Altitude adjustments some playing with here Crzyrndm. Went up and down a few times and it looks like it obediently went directly into the required attitudes without hesitation or a nose dip at all. I'd suggest getting some input from a few other people just to be sure. But that might have done it.

[1.3] Pilot Assistant: Atmospheric piloting aids - 1.13.2 (May 28)

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